Winter Warfare Mafia - Page 5

On December 11 2023 08:53 Koshi wrote:

Tfrel is not mafia.

1) He identified Vivax correctly. how do you know?
2) He tries to pull in people in the thread, make them part of the conversation. In a very healthy way and is doing that consistently. Yeah, so healthy he and DP had Marv begging them to stop (joke layers: 3. Yes the puns intended where they exist.)
3) He had an argument with DP which he was undergoing at first, but after DP gave him breathing space, Tfrel continued the fight. This is very unlikely to come from mafia. mafia never defend themselves, to be sure If he was mafia he would more likely take a breather and try to position himself good in the thread as this would have been his tactic from the start. I sure wouldn't But instead he kinda nonsensical attacks DP again. But not in a way to shit in the thread, it reads as if he actually was surprised DP gave him breathing room and found it suspicious. Maybe you see it that way- but I do not

Tfrel as mafia makes no sense. if he is scum, that is a high compliment indeed He took over from Sandrobe to be the town water carrier. by SR sandroba? Doesn't that just make Trfel a hypocrite to you? Koshi are you just mafia here?
People should help him instead of saying he is mafia or suspicious. He is doing the Lords work. I don't see that to be so. Schism is nothing new to the Church. I am Presbyterian, mostly.

You want people like your town read marv to carry this town instead. lael lael lael is this directed at me anymore?
Or this HF that can't string up a decent argument?

I think we should just all trust teh mafias and wait on Koshi to do something before we actually do something. That is a good tactic. I will say your sarcasm here is warranted. Town be lazy right now. Me too.

But I remain unconvinced.

I'll be waiting with them.

On December 11 2023 09:04 Koshi wrote:

Town are the only ones playing. Remember that.

On December 11 2023 09:05 Holyflare wrote:
Don't agree with Koshi points but I don't disagree that he could have those thoughts legitimately. Not sure why he feels the need to interject in favour of trfel when only dp is really gunning for this trfel stance though.

Also bit sad that despite it being many years he still just seems bitter that I exist as a human being.

On December 11 2023 09:11 Alakaslam wrote:

For the last part, has he really shown this?

If so

Koshi I can vouch, this one is much more level headed and fair than his mafia play would suggest. If you can defend someone who has totally different and largely considered evil and toxic political views from yourself (to the point that this person openly admits to arguing with his old friend, the former liberal recent ㅡNaziㅡ) on grounds of recognizing that guilt does not necessarily imbue by association,

That automatically puts you in the best 5% or better of humanity.

Enough meta had to rant

On December 11 2023 09:10 Koshi wrote:

I love everybody. Just some more than others.
I just think you are clear mafia here. So therefore I forgot to do some pleasantries.

Here is a joke to make up for my rudeness.

Why can’t you hear a pterodactyl going to the bathroom?
+ Show Spoiler +

On December 11 2023 09:18 Vivax wrote:
Rayn has made a few observations I could see coming from town.

I don't want to read DP either way yet. Or at least I don't think I can.

Discussing HFs alignment on D1 is pointless you either lynch him because he's HF or you don't, but not because he's town.

Palmar + Slam lists looked reasonable to me, mostly.

+ Show Spoiler +

When reading Sandro, I don't see it explained why he assumes that I'm his worst voter.

On December 11 2023 09:24 DarthPunk wrote:


I forgot to respond to this.

Essentially, when you are playing with people who are new, aggressiveness signals confidence in prosecuting a scum hunting agenda, townies are less refined in what they are looking for, and will see something that is potentially scummy and attack.

This is why on a surface level *level 1* early aggression is a town trait, and I think this holds true for newer players.

What I think is that as people develop in skill and understanding, aggression becomes a *tool* that is wielded, either by town to determine alignments or by mafia to hide in plain sight and push mis lynches in a way that is *too obvious to be scum*

The general differentiator in my opinion, is that town aggression tends to be built on curiosity and inquisitiveness, and mafia aggression tends to be built on decisions that have already been made.

Therefore, when I said you were too committed early, I was saying that you were aggressive in a way that seemed like you were prosecuting an agenda to find Sandro scummy, rather than curious about the reasoning behind his post.

Essentially, town want to find truth without agenda. Scum wants to advance their agenda without in spite of truth.

The reason I find you scummy is that you are aggressive without curiosity. And what follows are pushes without foundation.

On December 10 2023 13:25 Trfel wrote:
I guess instead of waiting I'll let the cat out of the bag, I'm impatient.

This post seems very wishy-washy, non-committal, and pointless. The first paragraph doesn't really say anything of substance (not that it's wrong per se, just doesn't really contribute anything meaningful to the game). The second paragraph is the same way. To me, he seems to end with exactly no read (and next to no thoughts) on Alakaslam. There's even "I like the poking about smiles, but it's phrased as a question so there is avoidance as well" which seems like aggressive-but-with-a-heavy-grain-of-salt that is easy to say without actually committing to it. "Posting within what I expected" and "not leaning one way or the other based on initial posts" doesn't end up meaning much at all.

The other thing I want to note is all of the caveats and grain of salts and backtracking in sandroba's post. Not exactly sure how to phrase what I mean, but see here, in red:

He's shying away from saying something, like making a read and then backing off from it. Or giving a reason to doubt what he just said, or placing a limiter on it. For such a small post, it's riddled with it. To me, this comes across as trying to be non-committal and playing the "safe game" while making it look like you are saying things and trying to figure things out.

On December 11 2023 09:31 Vivax wrote:


Undecided pile.

On December 11 2023 09:46 Vivax wrote:


Idk what you meant here and with the perceptive thing.

Koshi spent 99% of his effort so far in trying to explain that Trfel is not mafia.