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Some other random thoughts.
HF slides a little towards scummy
Still think DMB is more likely to be town
There is a world where we need to attack Koshi and HF just to get them to do something.
Shooting Chez is a good idea if we have a vigilante. He's never going to reveal his alignment through analysis. Checking into the less useful good players (marv, rayn, HF)
Another thing, I think this list is important. From most to least influential day 1 town play (disregarding some of the bits I haven't caught up on from last night):
Palmar
DP
Trfel
Marv
Koshi
DMB
Rayn
Sandroba
HF
Slam
Chezinu
Aside from the trolls (bottom 2) I think it's somewhat important to think about how much people actually tried to get shit done on day 1. This is not a "bottom mafia, top town" list, but rather an indicator on how much I think people tried to get their vision of the game done in the game on day 1. Mafia likes to not be the initiating factor in town, but rather just follow along.
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On December 12 2023 18:12 marvellosity wrote:
I’m really not mafia, Palmar. And you need to understand this if we are going to win or town are going to lose.
Can you explain some more about Slam for me please?
I understood your point about the smiley question that gave you a townread early on, but I have concerns.
I’m struggling that Slam believes I was assuming Koshi was town in that little drama that went down.
Also, and I know this is very self centred, there’s a post Slam made where he said he could not ‘find any reason to scumread sandro’ (I am paraphrasing). Slam always pays attention to what I say, I find it hard to believe he brushes me under the carpet that easily.
I can't and don't read troll players.
My entire (and very much overblown) townread was based on 2 things
1. the smiley question
2. the fact he invited me to be his mason friend (which I don't think he'd do as mafia where he knows I'm town).
Shooting slam is a good idea, same with Chez.
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On December 12 2023 18:15 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 18:01 Palmar wrote:
I'm going to look into how and why people voted the way they did last night as I have time through the day.
Marv just left his vote on Sandroba, was happy with the Vivax lynch but didn't actually push his own idea for a lynch very much. I know Sandroba eventually tied but that wasn't really thanks to marv. Standing by leaning null to scum.
DP's switch, and the reasoning for me (why is Vivax calling me mafia when he doesn't need to) and the fact that he actively tried to get his lynch done looks pretty good. Standing by lean town. And actually I had really, really good reasons for sandro lynch that are in my filter. And you’re right, I did push it too late. But I was happy with the Vivax lynch right up to near the end, which is when I started pushing my sandro stuff more. It really is as simple as that.
There were good reasons to lynch Sandroba. I don't disagree with that.
You barely pushed although you did not move. Vivax only started playing after you went to sleep and you did claim to be somewhat happy with the lynch.
I don't care honestly. I'm probably gonna think you're mafia all game but I can actually work with that. It's just going to be super annoying for you.
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On December 12 2023 18:19 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 18:17 Palmar wrote:On December 12 2023 18:12 marvellosity wrote:
I’m really not mafia, Palmar. And you need to understand this if we are going to win or town are going to lose.
Can you explain some more about Slam for me please?
I understood your point about the smiley question that gave you a townread early on, but I have concerns.
I’m struggling that Slam believes I was assuming Koshi was town in that little drama that went down.
Also, and I know this is very self centred, there’s a post Slam made where he said he could not ‘find any reason to scumread sandro’ (I am paraphrasing). Slam always pays attention to what I say, I find it hard to believe he brushes me under the carpet that easily. I can't and don't read troll players. My entire (and very much overblown) townread was based on 2 things 1. the smiley question 2. the fact he invited me to be his mason friend (which I don't think he'd do as mafia where he knows I'm town). Shooting slam is a good idea, same with Chez. Chez only. We can get there on Slam. I think my concerns are valid though
Problem is we need to threaten Slam with death to get him to do anything of value and even then it's a crapshoot. I don't wanna waste a day interrogating a random troll. We already had Vivax just not do anything of value for 47 hours only to get murdered on the weird deadline.
But whatever yeah, shooting Chez is a good choice.
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The more I think about it the more I want to kill HF.
rayn also just kinda fucked off, but at least he confirmed me town.
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On December 12 2023 18:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 18:22 Palmar wrote:On December 12 2023 18:15 marvellosity wrote:On December 12 2023 18:01 Palmar wrote:
I'm going to look into how and why people voted the way they did last night as I have time through the day.
Marv just left his vote on Sandroba, was happy with the Vivax lynch but didn't actually push his own idea for a lynch very much. I know Sandroba eventually tied but that wasn't really thanks to marv. Standing by leaning null to scum.
DP's switch, and the reasoning for me (why is Vivax calling me mafia when he doesn't need to) and the fact that he actively tried to get his lynch done looks pretty good. Standing by lean town. And actually I had really, really good reasons for sandro lynch that are in my filter. And you’re right, I did push it too late. But I was happy with the Vivax lynch right up to near the end, which is when I started pushing my sandro stuff more. It really is as simple as that. There were good reasons to lynch Sandroba. I don't disagree with that. You barely pushed although you did not move. Vivax only started playing after you went to sleep and you did claim to be somewhat happy with the lynch. I don't care honestly. I'm probably gonna think you're mafia all game but I can actually work with that. It's just going to be super annoying for you. Also I have long made my peace that I am way better at reading you than you are me. 
Neat, so we agree I'm supertown?
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On December 12 2023 18:20 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 18:19 marvellosity wrote:On December 12 2023 18:17 Palmar wrote:On December 12 2023 18:12 marvellosity wrote:
I’m really not mafia, Palmar. And you need to understand this if we are going to win or town are going to lose.
Can you explain some more about Slam for me please?
I understood your point about the smiley question that gave you a townread early on, but I have concerns.
I’m struggling that Slam believes I was assuming Koshi was town in that little drama that went down.
Also, and I know this is very self centred, there’s a post Slam made where he said he could not ‘find any reason to scumread sandro’ (I am paraphrasing). Slam always pays attention to what I say, I find it hard to believe he brushes me under the carpet that easily. I can't and don't read troll players. My entire (and very much overblown) townread was based on 2 things 1. the smiley question 2. the fact he invited me to be his mason friend (which I don't think he'd do as mafia where he knows I'm town). Shooting slam is a good idea, same with Chez. Chez only. We can get there on Slam. I think my concerns are valid though I think you are both wrong that either of them are unreadable fwiw
You can get there, but the effort is just not worth it. It's much easier to shoot trolls than to worry about them.
Reading comprehensible people is a way better use of my time.
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Like I think the plan of putting Sandroba through the ringer tomorrow is a pretty good one. It's pretty standard for me to immediately spot mafia on day 1 and then convince myself that some random useless townie is definitely the better lynch.
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On December 12 2023 18:28 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 18:25 Palmar wrote:
The more I think about it the more I want to kill HF.
rayn also just kinda fucked off, but at least he confirmed me town. Yes re - rayn, but I was not upset with any of the posts he actually made. Normally when he is mafia I get upset with what he is pushing.
yeah rayn is further up the totem pole. Just not as helpful as I'd like him to be.
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I also don't like how Koshi is playing but still think he's town. This whole "woe is me cause I can't play scum" spiel is tiring and bad.
But his reads have been pretty much matching mine.
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Koshi, DP and dmb are my townreads atm
Trfel is lean town but he dropped off hard, rayn is also neat but also lazy
HF, Sandroba and maybe marv are scumreads. some of today has made me think marv maybe a little less scummy so the other two are the ones I wanna murder I think
Then we have slam and chez
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On December 12 2023 18:37 DarthPunk wrote:
@palmar I think it’s probably good to operate under the assumption that Marv is town for a bit and see what he does.
That’s my plan anyway.
I'm kinda already doing that.
It's a pretty good dynamic. I think he's scum all the time, but also happily work with him to solve the game. It makes his life harder and I like my marv annoyed and on edge.
He's still a good check.
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On December 13 2023 05:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is Palmar top 1 contributor in his list when Palmar just lead a mislynch and DP top 2 was probably on mafia sandroba?
Isn't that clear? Obviously the primary contributor to the day is the person who got his choice of lynch killed.
I didn't say it was necessarily a positive contribution.
The list is based on how hard and successfully people pushed their ideas in the thread
You know mafia likes to sheep more than they like to lead. It's an important list, but only as extra evidence.
No one got more shit done on day 1 than me. Doesn't really matter if I'm right or wrong.
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On December 13 2023 05:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also the only person he ever tries to really get to vote for vivax is sandroba, and sandroba is also his scumread. no other people he personally advises to vote for vivax (aside from marv once).
Palmar is it in your opinion that best play to convince people to lynch the dude you want, is to only try to get your mafia reads to vote on them, and noone else?
I got my lynch lynched? Are you mad that I'm so much better at this than you that I barely need to work to get people to do what I want them to do?
Why work hard when you're #1
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On December 13 2023 06:51 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2023 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's just sad you're very ignorant to any information in the game.
It also makes me sad, because i wanted to play with people, not with random shit bots.  I need to be lynched. Tomorrow I will try to read some more and be slightly more informed.
Very annoying way to play as either faction.
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On December 13 2023 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2023 06:59 Palmar wrote:
No one got more shit done on day 1 than me. Doesn't really matter if I'm right or wrong. Yeah, true. Why Trfel top 3?
He tried a lot, just didn't succeed much.
Wrote many things.
Also because as I was writing that list I realized marv was higher than I wanted him to be so I had to figure out some more people to put above him.
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On December 13 2023 07:02 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2023 06:59 Palmar wrote:On December 13 2023 05:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is Palmar top 1 contributor in his list when Palmar just lead a mislynch and DP top 2 was probably on mafia sandroba? Isn't that clear? Obviously the primary contributor to the day is the person who got his choice of lynch killed. I didn't say it was necessarily a positive contribution. The list is based on how hard and successfully people pushed their ideas in the threadYou know mafia likes to sheep more than they like to lead. It's an important list, but only as extra evidence. No one got more shit done on day 1 than me. Doesn't really matter if I'm right or wrong. You know a mafia can get more done on day 1 than anyone else, right? :p
more at 9
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On December 13 2023 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Or like, after all, why is it an important list when the top 1 contributor was definitely wrong?
Your skull is so thick.
I'm essentially just trying to point out that some people worked hard to get shit done.
Other people worked less hard to get shit done.
The first is a town trait, the second is a mafia trait.
It's not a 100% tell (or mafia would be easy).
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How do you guys all have 10+ page filters, what is wrong with you?
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On December 13 2023 07:06 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2023 07:04 Palmar wrote:On December 13 2023 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Or like, after all, why is it an important list when the top 1 contributor was definitely wrong? Your skull is so thick. I'm essentially just trying to point out that some people worked hard to get shit done. Other people worked less hard to get shit done. The first is a town trait, the second is a mafia trait. It's not a 100% tell (or mafia would be easy). By this metric you are basically calling yourself mafia LMAO.
Ok, now read it again.
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