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On December 11 2023 03:46 Holyflare wrote: At the time I read (this morning) you had not called sandro out. When I voted, you barely called sandro out and you came up with some hipster reason that you didn't even disclose. Neither of those things matter to me because at the point you had called sandro out pretty much the whole thread had and your post is basically 0 commitment to saying sandro looks bad. None of it really matters to your connection with palmar's connection to sandro though. Can you really not read between the lines that much, that when i was playing in the morning, the only question i posed to anyone is someone i might find some suspicious about? | ||
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On December 11 2023 03:51 Trfel wrote: I believe this is the post in question. Raynpelikoneet, other than the above question though, can you help me understand why you are so confident Holyflare is mafia? because he is trying to say (1) palmar made a post about sandroba, which he considers bussing. (2) because of that, he votes for me, because i think palmar is town (for whatever reason) (3) after catching up he is now suspicious of vivax, who shares the whole sentiment of him thinking palmar is bussing sandroba, which doesnt make any sense. and even if he changed his mind, then (2) should not apply because we all 4 cannot be mafia... | ||
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On December 11 2023 03:56 Holyflare wrote: You have put way too much stock into me paying attention to something. I just wanted to get a vote down and make people comment on it. Okay, so where is your head at now, if none (or some) of this is not true anymore? :D | ||
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On December 11 2023 03:58 Holyflare wrote: tbh the last time I read rayn hadn't actually defended sandro or questioned him at that point I did though, way before you voted for me. | ||
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Vivax, Koshi, chez, sandro, meatbaby and palmar is a good list of LHF to get through for the time being. Maybe throw in a rayn in there but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Palmar and rayn probably the weakest in being in this list so will see what they get up to while I work throw the others. | ||
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On December 11 2023 03:37 Holyflare wrote: Convuluted af reasons really. I thought Sandroba was quite likely to be mafia and Palmar made this post: + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2023 17:54 Palmar wrote: Sandroba correctly identified Slam’s best post (smiley thing) and also noticed how excellent it was but somehow convinced himself to not make a good read on it. Brazilposting in crisis? Implicating that Palmar was ready to bus sandro because the reasoning here is extremely tenuous imo. I don't believe that palmar thinks the post is good but simultaneously uses it to discredit sandro. Maybe he would but I don't think so. It feels more like thread influence has made palmar take the read and use it as his own stance for slam and then try and double down on the sandro read. Reading into this and then seeing rayn post some drivel like: + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2023 18:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar pros town here. kinda made me think that maybe I was doing palmar a disservice and he could come up with something like that and rayn was just TMIing palmar as town because I don't think anything palmar said should be really conclusive for palmar's alignment in the slightest, especially not to this degree that rayn was talking about he's since given more elaborated reasoning for it like: + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2023 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you also remember he doesn't play during the weekends and does basically the minimum amount to survive as mafia? On December 11 2023 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk, i would think Palmar would hide under "no play during weekends" esp since most of the players should know that, rather than post basically anything other than "it's weekend bye!"  The stuff he said is also okay. It's not that i even think Vivax is mafia, probably opposite tbh, but his read on Palmar is based on wrong premises imo, if Palmar and sandroba would be both mafia, that would definitely not be something Palmar does in my opinion.Oh i also think DP and sandroba are not both mafia, now that i remember. Which I guess is somewhat accetable but it's still a really silly reason to base the read on that. One thing more, is this why you originally voted for me? (before the post(s) where i explain my stance on Palmar)? | ||
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On December 11 2023 04:11 Holyflare wrote: Not just the connection with palmar, no. Your stances on people were very vague and devoid of substance. Your read on trfel was dependent on what he responded to DP but I think you should have easily had a better read on trfel with his posts vs sandroba at that point too. Especially apparent that you hadn't even talked about sandroba there too. Feels like you were measuring thread temperature before taking a stance on either. You did expand on it in your "attack" on sandro here: Which is a fine follow up I guess, but this didn't exist then. I asked you this: On December 11 2023 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you really not read between the lines that much, that when i was playing in the morning, the only question i posed to anyone is someone i might find some suspicious about? You responded: On December 11 2023 03:58 Holyflare wrote: tbh the last time I read rayn hadn't actually defended sandro or questioned him at that point If you voted me after reading anything Palmar has ever said in this game, your last bolded statement is a lie. | ||
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On December 11 2023 04:18 Holyflare wrote: Oh I think I see what you're saying. You should look at the timestamps of Palmar's reply because it is not when you think it is. 2 hours ago is not anything near to when I said I read and it most certainly isn't the beginning of the game or his filter like you're saying it is. I am saying when you voted for me, you had read some Palmar's post(s), but hadn't read any question to sandroba from me. That's a lie if you have read the thread as you claim, because: My question: On December 10 2023 16:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: What exactly do you mean with this? Palmar's first post in the game: On December 10 2023 17:49 Palmar wrote: I like slam and it annoys me that no one has yet said he’s 100% town confirmed. Look at the time stamps. | ||
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If anyone would like to have an opinion on Holyflare, and especially on what i said on him, i would appreciate. | ||
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On December 11 2023 04:59 Holyflare wrote: Also: Of all the posts in the thread I also take umbrage with the fact that you've essentially taken this one as a pseudo way of defending yourself. I also would like you to elaborate on this some more because there are several interpretations of what this can actually mean and it's vague enough that you can use it to imply many things. This is a very good observation, although you don't anything useful with it  | ||
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On December 11 2023 05:07 sandroba wrote: I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective. Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts. I think you should start raising suspicions, or at least having reads, in case you're town, but then again i don't know if i need to tell you this. People suspect you, if you're town, get over it, stop defending and start producing something of substance (because people suspect you as you don't produce anything of substance -- right or wrong) | ||
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i WILL have another round of sauna, but after that i would very much like to interact with you head-to-head if you are here. | ||
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On December 11 2023 05:31 sandroba wrote: Thanks for looking out for the rest of us, I do believe you are town. Believe it or not I wasn't so much defending myself as I was questioning HF. If it wasn't clear I find vivax to be the most likely mafia so far, with marv following just for being wrong and stirring up suspicion the wrong way and a bit iffy on HF but that might be just omgus on my part. Right at this moment i am more interested in if you can be here after ~30mins or not? | ||
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On December 11 2023 05:35 Alakaslam wrote: Wait wait He also calls us to submit to Government (1 Peter I have people read the whole book, get that delicious context yo) So then, good rules have their origin in God so obedience to good rules is obedience to God. We cannot ask people to play against their win condition... Breaks the game... I repent, i am a greenery!!! Oh praise me lord!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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