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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 10 2023 22:41 GMT
#489
On December 11 2023 07:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 07:34 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 11 2023 06:35 Trfel wrote:
I think at this point I'd be okay with lynching Koshi (if he is going to play like this), and potentially okay with lynching DarthPunk. Sandroba's recent set of posts were more interesting to me, I didn't necessarily agree with everything he was saying but it helps me to put together his mindset/approach. Holyflare's point that he's focusing on defending himself from presumed incorrect accusations instead of actually finding mafia or being productive is strong, now that he's actually shared suspicions I look forward to him coming back tomorrow. Vivax I could definitely see being mafia but I don't think I want to lynch him as much as Koshi or DarthPunk at this point.

Holyflare is not townie in any way, in any point of his game. He might be misguided as fuck but never ever has he done anything townie.

Not sure I agree, I can follow his thoughts

really? then we have a problem as well. i dont think it's a good problem for either of us, but we will have a problem...

Well, HF is naturally problematic…
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 10 2023 22:43 GMT
#494
On December 11 2023 07:42 Koshi wrote:
@Tfrel and DP.

The mafias are not reading you guys mafia. So don't be dumb and argue as TvT all game ok? They will like that and post like mafia!marv is doing to keep it going.

Be friends. You are both green. I believe in you.

Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 01:49 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 01:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 11 2023 01:36 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 11 2023 01:34 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 01:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 11 2023 01:29 marvellosity wrote:
It’s baseless so there’s not a lot I can say about it really

most of the stuff is quite baseless atm, though

As in literally there’s not an explanation.

well i think my educated guess is correct. take that as you want

On what sorry? There’s 2 votes on you and 1 on me and I don’t understand any of them

Let's say there would be votes on two people you would understand them to be on, who would they be?

sandro for obvious reasons

Didn’t like DP’s attack on Trfel nor Trfel’s subsequent defence of those posts, but maybe DP is being DP (I think we established this year that we don’t think the same) and Trfel has been tenacious.

So maybe Vivax, primarily because I don’t find his posts very interesting

Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 03:37 Holyflare wrote:
On December 11 2023 03:24 Trfel wrote:
On December 11 2023 03:21 Holyflare wrote:
hi
How are you doing, Holyflare? Curious why you think raynpelikoneet is mafia?


Convuluted af reasons really.

I thought Sandroba was quite likely to be mafia and Palmar made this post:

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 10 2023 17:54 Palmar wrote:
Sandroba correctly identified Slam’s best post (smiley thing) and also noticed how excellent it was but somehow convinced himself to not make a good read on it.

Brazilposting in crisis?


Implicating that Palmar was ready to bus sandro because the reasoning here is extremely tenuous imo. I don't believe that palmar thinks the post is good but simultaneously uses it to discredit sandro. Maybe he would but I don't think so. It feels more like thread influence has made palmar take the read and use it as his own stance for slam and then try and double down on the sandro read.

Reading into this and then seeing rayn post some drivel like:
+ Show Spoiler +

On December 10 2023 18:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar pros town here.



kinda made me think that maybe I was doing palmar a disservice and he could come up with something like that and rayn was just TMIing palmar as town because I don't think anything palmar said should be really conclusive for palmar's alignment in the slightest, especially not to this degree that rayn was talking about

he's since given more elaborated reasoning for it like:

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 11 2023 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On December 10 2023 23:03 marvellosity wrote:
What I’m saying is his posting so far is pretty normal. He doesn’t have to be town of course but it’s well within normal tolerance.

Do you also remember he doesn't play during the weekends and does basically the minimum amount to survive as mafia?

On December 11 2023 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 01:24 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2023 23:03 marvellosity wrote:
What I’m saying is his posting so far is pretty normal. He doesn’t have to be town of course but it’s well within normal tolerance.

Do you also remember he doesn't play during the weekends and does basically the minimum amount to survive as mafia?

Is that supposed to change something?

Idk, i would think Palmar would hide under "no play during weekends" esp since most of the players should know that, rather than post basically anything other than "it's weekend bye!" The stuff he said is also okay. It's not that i even think Vivax is mafia, probably opposite tbh, but his read on Palmar is based on wrong premises imo, if Palmar and sandroba would be both mafia, that would definitely not be something Palmar does in my opinion.

Oh i also think DP and sandroba are not both mafia, now that i remember.



Which I guess is somewhat accetable but it's still a really silly reason to base the read on that.




Think I'm more leaning on going on vivax atm though because he's playing way too normal and trfel is right that his post to sandroba is self-fulfilling. Not really sure, not that into the game atm.

Marv looks ok, trfel looks good imo, DP is (?) but leaning on the side of ok. Slam is kinda just chilling so I don't really know what to read into that but I think he's had enough defenders in the thread over really mediocre points that game state might be pointing to him being town too.

Vivax, Koshi, chez, sandro, meatbaby and palmar is a good list of LHF to get through for the time being. Maybe throw in a rayn in there but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Palmar and rayn probably the weakest in being in this list so will see what they get up to while I work throw the others.


Keep what going? I haven’t addressed DP/Trfel at all?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 10 2023 22:43 GMT
#495
If anything I’m fucking desperate for it to stop
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 10 2023 22:44 GMT
#497
On December 11 2023 07:42 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 07:40 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:17 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn before you go. Is koshi mafia or town if you had to choose.

mafia

I don’t see the point in talking about this yet. Of course he plays anti-town.

In 24h if he plays the same still it’s more interesting. As he will be playing against his wincon if town which is just mega shitty and deserves a policy lynch

How can this look not mafia-perspective?

Hijole Marv what is that?

Reword please Slam? What are you saying or asking me?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 10 2023 22:47 GMT
#501
On December 11 2023 07:45 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 07:44 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:42 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:40 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:17 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn before you go. Is koshi mafia or town if you had to choose.

mafia

I don’t see the point in talking about this yet. Of course he plays anti-town.

In 24h if he plays the same still it’s more interesting. As he will be playing against his wincon if town which is just mega shitty and deserves a policy lynch

How can this look not mafia-perspective?

Hijole Marv what is that?

Reword please Slam? What are you saying or asking me?

You are pushing mafia agenda.

How?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 10 2023 22:48 GMT
#503
On December 11 2023 07:45 Alakaslam wrote:
Had it not already stoppedㅡ are tfel and dp this slow to make post? Can't be, as DP has been posting about ㅡnot thatㅡ since page 24

Still don’t understand, but I was catching up a bunch of pages and it was a lot of DP Trfel. Which I’ve still not talked about. So I still don’t know what’s going on tbh
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 10 2023 22:51 GMT
#509
On December 11 2023 07:48 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 07:44 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:42 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:40 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:17 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn before you go. Is koshi mafia or town if you had to choose.

mafia

I don’t see the point in talking about this yet. Of course he plays anti-town.

In 24h if he plays the same still it’s more interesting. As he will be playing against his wincon if town which is just mega shitty and deserves a policy lynch

How can this look not mafia-perspective?

Hijole Marv what is that?

Reword please Slam? What are you saying or asking me?

Ok yes sorry I am bad with words many oftens

How can you respond this way, to what Koshi has been thus far, while not knowing already that Koshi is town?

There is poor word choice- my overwhelmingly common error- and then there is saying that if Koshi plays anti town, he should be lynched on policy rather than

Just

Lynched

Because maybe he is mafia? This is like "if he plays anti town, he does this as town (I will grant as a lot of us do this) but if he keeps it up, we lynch him even if he is town" but never mentioning "or he is just mafia and win win win"?

Of course maybe he’s mafia, but there’s no real reason to think so other than what he has been doing is anti-town.

Although he seems he kinda can’t help himself and is making a couple of relevant posts now. Which was my point about waiting.

Anyway I still don’t understand what you’re getting at, it’s either policy lynch town or hit mafia. Didn’t think I needed to be that explicit…
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 10 2023 22:52 GMT
#511
On December 11 2023 07:49 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 07:48 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:45 Alakaslam wrote:
Had it not already stoppedㅡ are tfel and dp this slow to make post? Can't be, as DP has been posting about ㅡnot thatㅡ since page 24

Still don’t understand, but I was catching up a bunch of pages and it was a lot of DP Trfel. Which I’ve still not talked about. So I still don’t know what’s going on tbh

Good point.

That was directed more broadly too,

But why didn't you mention

Hijole it is not wifom even if a mistake

Why didn’t I mention what?

I can’t say I’m enjoying this exchange, I’m just getting confused :p
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 10 2023 22:53 GMT
#514
On December 11 2023 07:53 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 07:52 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:49 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:48 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:45 Alakaslam wrote:
Had it not already stoppedㅡ are tfel and dp this slow to make post? Can't be, as DP has been posting about ㅡnot thatㅡ since page 24

Still don’t understand, but I was catching up a bunch of pages and it was a lot of DP Trfel. Which I’ve still not talked about. So I still don’t know what’s going on tbh

Good point.

That was directed more broadly too,

But why didn't you mention

Hijole it is not wifom even if a mistake

Why didn’t I mention what?

I can’t say I’m enjoying this exchange, I’m just getting confused :p


Careful marv.

?????
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 10 2023 22:56 GMT
#519
On December 11 2023 07:55 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 07:53 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:53 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:52 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:49 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:48 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:45 Alakaslam wrote:
Had it not already stoppedㅡ are tfel and dp this slow to make post? Can't be, as DP has been posting about ㅡnot thatㅡ since page 24

Still don’t understand, but I was catching up a bunch of pages and it was a lot of DP Trfel. Which I’ve still not talked about. So I still don’t know what’s going on tbh

Good point.

That was directed more broadly too,

But why didn't you mention

Hijole it is not wifom even if a mistake

Why didn’t I mention what?

I can’t say I’m enjoying this exchange, I’m just getting confused :p


Careful marv.

?????


Do you actually not understand?

I really don’t
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 10 2023 22:57 GMT
#521
On December 11 2023 07:57 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 07:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Slam is beast mode here WTF.


I have great fear

Last time I did this I was PL

You’re definitely not getting PL!
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 10 2023 23:07 GMT
#529
On December 11 2023 08:05 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 07:56 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:55 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:53 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:53 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:52 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:49 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:48 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:45 Alakaslam wrote:
Had it not already stoppedㅡ are tfel and dp this slow to make post? Can't be, as DP has been posting about ㅡnot thatㅡ since page 24

Still don’t understand, but I was catching up a bunch of pages and it was a lot of DP Trfel. Which I’ve still not talked about. So I still don’t know what’s going on tbh

Good point.

That was directed more broadly too,

But why didn't you mention

Hijole it is not wifom even if a mistake

Why didn’t I mention what?

I can’t say I’m enjoying this exchange, I’m just getting confused :p


Careful marv.

?????


Do you actually not understand?

I really don’t


You said stuff about koshi being a policy lynch and not just a lynch if he continues doing this in 24h. Slam wonders why you phrase it this way, thinking if you were town you'd say he could be mafia and would be a good lynch instead.

At least I think that's the idea behind it. Bit too much reading in to what you wrote imo if this is the case but like the train of thought from slam at least.

Did everyone miss the ‘if town’ in my sentence about policy lynching in that post?

Anyway I’m not interested in this anymore. But yes Slam looks good, but I was mostly riding with Palmar’s read on Slam anyway, on the assumption that he would tell the truth about him as either alignment.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 10 2023 23:08 GMT
#530
On December 11 2023 08:05 DarthPunk wrote:
I'd like to see what holyflare has to say, I don't really agree with rayn that he is obs mafia for the slip up he had, but I tend to think it is a good idea to listen to rayn when he feels strongly about things.

I'd really like to lynch trfel, but I can see that is not gonna happen today, so I will just take solace in saying 'i told you so' at the end of the game.

I think Slam is 100% town.

I think rayn is town

I thought marv was town until recently but I think slam picked up some good stuff, so maybe not so much anymore.

the rest is a quagmire.

Not sure about Koshi, I think I see glimpses of smart town koshi in the mess somewhere.

Don’t understand how you can possibly think it shifts the needle on my alignment, DP
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 10 2023 23:11 GMT
#532
On December 11 2023 08:07 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 08:05 Holyflare wrote:
My thinking is we should just vote koshi and force him to actually do things instead of pretending to do things and waiting 24 hours.


I agree with that.

##Vote: Koshi

If I know anything about Koshi, this would just harden his resolve (if town, to be super duper duper unambiguous) to not play normally…

I think if he is town he will just show it in time.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 10 2023 23:31 GMT
#538
On December 11 2023 08:13 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 08:11 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 11 2023 08:08 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2023 08:05 DarthPunk wrote:
I'd like to see what holyflare has to say, I don't really agree with rayn that he is obs mafia for the slip up he had, but I tend to think it is a good idea to listen to rayn when he feels strongly about things.

I'd really like to lynch trfel, but I can see that is not gonna happen today, so I will just take solace in saying 'i told you so' at the end of the game.

I think Slam is 100% town.

I think rayn is town

I thought marv was town until recently but I think slam picked up some good stuff, so maybe not so much anymore.

the rest is a quagmire.

Not sure about Koshi, I think I see glimpses of smart town koshi in the mess somewhere.

Don’t understand how you can possibly think it shifts the needle on my alignment, DP


I'll tell you after the game if you want. Or if I try to lynch you, but we aren't in that territory atm.


To be clear, you are in my top 3 town list, so it's not that bad, there was just enough in it to move you back out of the 99% club.

Can you tell me what you think of HF and Palmar right now?

Lean town on both
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 10 2023 23:45 GMT
#547
On December 11 2023 08:42 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 07:14 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 11 2023 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think you're calling Trfel mafia, not the other way around here?
It's not like you're being tunneled by Trfel DP, is it?

Now i don't know why you think Trfel is mafia, where did he lie, or did any of those dubious things that might make them mafia? Bullet points please.

Also look at what HF did:
- rayn is scum because palmar - rayn posts
- palmar didnt post when hf voted


Trefel has me in his top two lynch candidates, why would he do that and then talk to me like I'm town.


- Trefel formed a "scum" (without actually calling me scum) read on me based on 'lack of thread presence'

- Trefel then acknowledged that it was the middle of the night and that may explain the lack of thread presence

-Trefel then proceeds to try and get several others to post their thoughts on me

-Trefel then says I am suspicious based on lack of thread presence (which should be discounted based on timezones) and the fact I called sandroba town.

-Trefel then says Sandroba looks better based on exactly the reasoning I gave for not finding Sandroba suspicious.

Basically his justifications for his top 2 lynch candidate read on me is farcical.


Regarding Holyflare:


Did he actually try and justify that vote on you from the start of the game? Cause that does look bad.




Can you quote this post?

Show nested quote +
Trefel then says I am suspicious based on lack of thread presence (which should be discounted based on timezones) and the fact I called sandroba town.


Probably a disservice to what you write but you fill up a lot of thread gets clogged up with you going back and forth with the person you already think is mafia to the point where I just zone out and don't want to engage anywhere near either of you.

This post is probably good though if it is correct so thanks for the summary. I don't agree with your "he's calling me town" rhetoric though, I think that was clutching at straws.

For some reason this post made me read DP’s summary there which I’d missed previously. It mostly looks okay so I will try give it a 2nd look tomorrow DP
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 10 2023 23:49 GMT
#553
On December 11 2023 08:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 03:20 Trfel wrote:

Side note, I feel similarly about DarthPunk though (lack of thread presence), since he dropped his push on me he seems content to not do too much.


Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 04:49 Trfel wrote:

Holyflare, thoughts on DarthPunk? I get that it's night in Australia but he still feels a bit off to me.


Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 06:30 Trfel wrote:
On December 11 2023 06:16 DarthPunk wrote:
Trfel can you explain why I am suspicious to you very briefly.
Two things. First is that after you unvoted me you seemed content to have no strong suspicion or push or thread presence, though I may be underestimating the impact of it being nighttime in Australia. Second thing is that some of your reasoning really doesn't line up. For example, what raynpelikoneet mentioned, your reason to townread sandroba being that he was suspicious of marvellosity. He didn't engage marvellosity or push for his lynch, he's wanting to lynch Vivax, it's easy to say "this person is mafia" and not back it up or push it at all.


I think you may be misunderstanding 3rd post? What do you think Trfel is saying there?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 11 2023 08:35 GMT
#673
On December 11 2023 12:39 sandroba wrote:
@marv needless aggression and undue assertiveness are more traits of people pretending to be town than actual townies.

Was neither needless nor undue though
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 11 2023 08:37 GMT
#674
Will happily murder Vivax with a pole. Although it seems a lot easier than sandro.

Let’s see as the day rolls on.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 11 2023 08:59 GMT
#676
Will happily murder Vivax with a pole. Although it seems a lot easier than sandro.

Let’s see as the day rolls on.
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