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On December 16 2023 17:58 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2023 17:56 marvellosity wrote:On December 16 2023 17:53 Trfel wrote:
I still think the point about Palmar's Alakaslam thing has a lot of merit. Not worth lynching Palmar over on its own of course, but unless I am missing something, surely an alarm bell or two? Eh… maybe. I can see why you think it and I’m not gonna tell you you’re wrong. Maybe I will pay attention to that on a reread. My gut reaction is meh though, which I understand isn’t very helpful right now. That's fair enough. I would still guess that Palmar is town, just not as certain of him being town as I was before.
Thinking about d1. Palmar started Vivax wagon, at that point you had 3 votes and no one else had more than 1. So from a gameplay perspective, if palmar is mafia then he’s doing it to distract from you. Of course he could potentially be doing it to wrest control of the thread to lynch Vivax, but why? He risks Vivax making himself look v town (the unfortunate fact is the deadline and when people are around meant that even high Vivax became clearly town it was too late)
The town explanation is really, really easy. Palmar wakes up on 2nd 48h of day 1. Decides to filter Vivax. Sees it’s trash. Wants to lynch him.
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On December 16 2023 18:24 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2023 18:01 marvellosity wrote:On December 16 2023 17:58 Trfel wrote:On December 16 2023 17:56 marvellosity wrote:On December 16 2023 17:53 Trfel wrote:
I still think the point about Palmar's Alakaslam thing has a lot of merit. Not worth lynching Palmar over on its own of course, but unless I am missing something, surely an alarm bell or two? Eh… maybe. I can see why you think it and I’m not gonna tell you you’re wrong. Maybe I will pay attention to that on a reread. My gut reaction is meh though, which I understand isn’t very helpful right now. That's fair enough. I would still guess that Palmar is town, just not as certain of him being town as I was before. Thinking about d1. Palmar started Vivax wagon, at that point you had 3 votes and no one else had more than 1. So from a gameplay perspective, if palmar is mafia then he’s doing it to distract from you. Of course he could potentially be doing it to wrest control of the thread to lynch Vivax, but why? He risks Vivax making himself look v town (the unfortunate fact is the deadline and when people are around meant that even high Vivax became clearly town it was too late) The town explanation is really, really easy. Palmar wakes up on 2nd 48h of day 1. Decides to filter Vivax. Sees it’s trash. Wants to lynch him. Wouldn't mafia Palmar push Vivax because it was an easy push to make himself look towny?
Pretty sure town sentiment at the time was that he seemed townie anyway.
I mean sure, maybe. 95% of stuff can have 2 explanations. Just which is more likely to be right. My townie version requires like 0 assumptions, that’s all.
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On December 16 2023 18:52 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2023 10:29 die_meatbaby wrote:
Tip top Town:
Alakslam
Marv
Town
HF
Rayn
Sandro
not Town:
Koshi
Trfel
def. not Town
PALMAR Despite earlier, ewww
Well? 
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You realise in a sense, and this probably excites you, this game is all about you?
Assuming you’re town (which I do) then some people who are suspicious of you are town, some mafia.
As you say, a townies job is not to get lynched. So somehow you need to persuade the townies suspicious of you that you aren’t it. Then the game falls into place.
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On December 16 2023 23:30 Palmar wrote:
Excellent English Pálmar
MUCH DANGEROUS
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On December 17 2023 02:18 Palmar wrote:
Now I need to go find out why Sandroba thinks Trfel is mafia because I liked most of Trfel's filter.
He doesn’t anymore unless I missed another switcheraroo
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rayn, Palmar is town.
So what do we do?
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I’m sick of being attacked for defending him as well.
Maybe I’m terrible this time but I just don’t think so.
So frankly I don’t like the people who are telling me this.
Sand/hf.
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I’ve gone off rayn as fast as I went on him.
Gonna have a little browse of a Trfel scumgame or two (my friends are still here - sorry for lack of activity) to see whether he has the capability of some of his posts that I’ve thought were town this game.
I’m a little uncomfortable (ironically) that he’s not considering Palmar as mafia when everyone else seems to be.
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Really the only reason I’m uncomfortable with rayn at all is I don’t know why he was pushing Koshi n2, he should have been reading him town by then?
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If I accept my view of the game as the truth and refuse to be bullied about it
Then mafia sits in hf/sand. Probably only 1, whoever is the mafia is using the other person as cover.
whichever of you is town, it would be swell if you engaged with me on this.
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Frankly this game is very difficult overall, I haven’t been able to eliminate as many sure townies as I’d want to by d3. Or they got shot.
Too many people whom could reasonably sit on either pile
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HF more likely than sand. I do think the level of fight sand showed is quite outside his normal mafia play/ability. I don’t think anything HF has done is outside his mafia capabilities
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Someone said somewhere throat Trfel is an emotional townie. He’s been extremely level headed here in the main.
Is DMB the mafia mislynch here?
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##vote: holyflare
Frankly I don’t have a case. In the main Hf has been extremely reasonable, smart, and at various times engaging. The flip slide is that everything he says is so fucking smart, so why don’t I feel he has more of a grip on the game than me?
He belittles my Palmar read on several occasions. I really don’t like it.
Sand probably just butthurt Palmar scumread him all game.
Sandro if you’re the townie here, we need to hash this out. Today.
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HF mafia kills Koshi who wants to kill palmar/DMB.
Again I’m just accepting my truth that palmar is town. Puts suspicion on both palmar/DMB.
I know this is entirely wifom but I am just trying to piece the game in a way that makes sense to me.
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Maybe mafia (whether hf or not) thought I would continue to equivocate or lack confidence in my Palmar read and therefore I would have no sway in the game because I would refuse to defend my stance robustly.
Well, now I’m not making it so easy. I’ve set out my stall. So, townies among you, where do we go from here please?
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On December 17 2023 22:18 sandroba wrote:
Marv, can you point to me a game with the best or one of the best scum performances by HF?
I don’t know. I would say pretty much any scumgame he’s played tbh.
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On December 17 2023 21:24 Holyflare wrote:
Let's just play around with your world view for a bit. If I am town and you think Palmar is town, who is mafia?
Palmar is town. I’ve 180d on rayn again and I think he’s town. I think sandroba is town.
Mafia just sits in the rest. Slam probably unlynchable today if it’s him.
So between Trfel and DMB. That’s what I’m going to need to try to magic the time up to figure out.
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On December 17 2023 22:26 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2023 22:16 Palmar wrote:
If you believe your Palmar/dmb thesis, you can’t really argue the point that I’ve objectively far more than her. Throw in that if you believe it a bunch of people who you think are town (by elimination) think I’m town and dmb may be scum (marv trfel). You should probably consider where the most likely mafia flip is in your worldview
Palmar, how is marv ever scum, unless you are saying he is scum with me? He had all the excuse in the world to fuck off and leave his vote on me, why would he ever vote chezinu in that spot
You misread Palmar’s post sand
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