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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 21:46 GMT
#2283
marv please comment on this!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 21:52 GMT
#2288
On December 16 2023 06:48 Holyflare wrote:
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On December 16 2023 06:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 16 2023 06:41 Holyflare wrote:
On December 16 2023 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 16 2023 06:36 Holyflare wrote:
This is also why I scum read you and think your bait didn't work and why I tried to bait you btw. The vote was very clearly breaking up on sandro and going to chez

Okay, explain me how this was the sentiment.


If you weren't in the thread you don't understand the vibe it's just easy to tell. Sandro looked so much better after the mason thing that his wagon dying was a foregone conclusion. Thus the question of who is next is in the air. There is not a single consensus scum read or proper push floating around and I've mentioned that I think chez is 100% mafia at some point.

Who was going to switch?
You were not.
Koshi was not (until marv did)
Marv was not (until the beating stuff happened, which noone had any idea about at the time)
Palmar was not (until everyone else had switched

WHO WAS GOING TO SWITCH? Chezinu was going to vote for sandroba 100% of the time. If i had dropped my vote on sandroba, i think 95% of the time sandroba gets lynched instead of Chezinu.


I probably would have switched at some point tbh just didn't see the need to because I thought it was just going to happen anyway without me and if you hadn't have voted there I may well have been convinced by slam at that point too.

Koshi was already mentioning it before you voted.
Marv was already thinking sandro looked better before that imo.
Palmar is likely mafia so irrelevant.

It's not the WHO that's important here, it's the sentiment and what direction you think the thread is going to go. If you think that day ends on sandro getting lynched before slam started the chez stuff I'd think you were wrong.

I think you are lying if you are saying you would have switched before anyone else. You made it very clear.
Koshi would never switch from his "town core".
marv maybe, but no. there is no reason to think marv is going to switch there, unless what happened, happened. Maybe marv can comment on that.
Palmar was never gonna switch, and his posts after people already did seem fake as fuck
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 21:52 GMT
#2289
On December 16 2023 06:50 sandroba wrote:
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On December 16 2023 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thread sentiment was definitely not towards Chezinu lynch.

Rayn is not lying here, major turning point in lynching Chezinu was after I begged marv to move his vote and he did.

exactly
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 21:53 GMT
#2290
On December 16 2023 06:49 Holyflare wrote:
It doesn't have to be towards chezinu it was more importantly towards not sandroba and chezinu is the easiest already mentioned alternative.

what does this mean?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 21:55 GMT
#2291
On December 16 2023 06:50 sandroba wrote:
My point here is that Rayn did not help thread sentiment go against Chezinu, which detracts a bit from the fact that he did contribute to the lynch.

you realize i thought you are mafia as well?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 22:13 GMT
#2294
On December 16 2023 07:10 Holyflare wrote:
Am I misremembering something? I don't think Rayn's vote was before the marv stuff was it?

yes it was. it's also easy to check because i put my votes in the game thread as well.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 22:13 GMT
#2295
On December 16 2023 07:12 sandroba wrote:
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On December 16 2023 06:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 16 2023 06:50 sandroba wrote:
My point here is that Rayn did not help thread sentiment go against Chezinu, which detracts a bit from the fact that he did contribute to the lynch.

you realize i thought you are mafia as well?

Yes, I'm not saying you are auto mafia for doing it - just saying the way you did it does not make you auto town, even if there is a plausible narrative here

so why are you saying i am mafia then?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 22:14 GMT
#2297
My vote is on p98, marv stuff + vote is on p99.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 22:20 GMT
#2299
On December 16 2023 07:10 Holyflare wrote:
Regardless I don't think sandro gets lynched there either way before that still. You can believe it or not it's my opinion.

You have to elaborate on this.
Because if i had put my vote on sandroba (5-3), and Chezinu (obviously) votes for sandroba (now let's assume i am mafia and Chezinu is mafia), the vote is (6-3).

Maybe you can say that sandroba is not getting lynched, but that doesn't happen without an event that we don't know about, like marv's. Which is why i said i think marv's vote might have solved the game for me.

Because this line of arguing is just simply not reasonable. You're basically telling i voted for Chezinu because i knew Chezinu is gonna get lynched before an event that i have no way of knowing of happens.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 22:22 GMT
#2301
On December 16 2023 07:17 sandroba wrote:
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On December 16 2023 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 16 2023 07:12 sandroba wrote:
On December 16 2023 06:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 16 2023 06:50 sandroba wrote:
My point here is that Rayn did not help thread sentiment go against Chezinu, which detracts a bit from the fact that he did contribute to the lynch.

you realize i thought you are mafia as well?

Yes, I'm not saying you are auto mafia for doing it - just saying the way you did it does not make you auto town, even if there is a plausible narrative here

so why are you saying i am mafia then?

The reasons I thought you were mafia was due to not commenting on anything relevant D2, coupled with the throw away vote on Chezinu. But I've come around since then based on recent posting tbh. Like after the flip I was like 90% on you, now I'm like 25%

Why is it a throw away vote?
Also i don't really see why i have to comment on all the shit that's being going on, when it was basically same stuff D1, just different conclusions (on Trfel -- like people decided Trfel is now scummy like in spot of Vivax, nothing else changed pretty much)?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 22:31 GMT
#2306
On December 16 2023 07:25 Holyflare wrote:
[...]just when rayn voted and it's extremely obvious chez is going to die and not you imo.

wow
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 22:33 GMT
#2308
Koshi would you have voted for Chezinu if marv didn't vote?

marv would you have voted for Chezinu if your event didn't happen?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 22:34 GMT
#2309
On December 16 2023 07:31 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2023 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 16 2023 07:17 sandroba wrote:
On December 16 2023 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 16 2023 07:12 sandroba wrote:
On December 16 2023 06:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 16 2023 06:50 sandroba wrote:
My point here is that Rayn did not help thread sentiment go against Chezinu, which detracts a bit from the fact that he did contribute to the lynch.

you realize i thought you are mafia as well?

Yes, I'm not saying you are auto mafia for doing it - just saying the way you did it does not make you auto town, even if there is a plausible narrative here

so why are you saying i am mafia then?

The reasons I thought you were mafia was due to not commenting on anything relevant D2, coupled with the throw away vote on Chezinu. But I've come around since then based on recent posting tbh. Like after the flip I was like 90% on you, now I'm like 25%

Why is it a throw away vote?
Also i don't really see why i have to comment on all the shit that's being going on, when it was basically same stuff D1, just different conclusions (on Trfel -- like people decided Trfel is now scummy like in spot of Vivax, nothing else changed pretty much)?


Sandro getting masoned, palmar explaining the mason logs and sandro disputing it and arguing with palmar and marv for pages and then you saying sandro was still mafia with chez and me seemed extremely ludicrous. You should have commented on the mason stuff because that's how the game works, you talk about your opinion on information so we make more informed decisions. I found it really unbelievable you said the team was sandro/hf/chez when I pointed out that chez was like 100% mafia, highlighted the connection about sandro and chez and you made no reference to that and ignored koshi and slam when they mentioned it to you.

It seemed heavily like you were bussing the soon to be chez wagon.

actually you with sandro and chez didn't make sense to me, which is why i swapped sandra for trfel at the time.
now, idk... maybe it should have made sense to me based on what you're saying right now lol.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 22:36 GMT
#2311
On December 16 2023 07:21 Palmar wrote:
This is all very exciting

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 22:41 GMT
#2313
On December 16 2023 07:37 Holyflare wrote:
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On December 15 2023 00:16 Koshi wrote:
@Slam:

On December 12 2023 02:37 Holyflare wrote:
On December 11 2023 05:27 Chezinu wrote:
On December 11 2023 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 11 2023 05:07 sandroba wrote:
I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective.
Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts.

I think you should start raising suspicions, or at least having reads, in case you're town, but then again i don't know if i need to tell you this.

People suspect you, if you're town, get over it, stop defending and start producing something of substance (because people suspect you as you don't produce anything of substance -- right or wrong)



If you need help sandroba, you can read my posts to learn how to have people not think you post nothing of substance.


+ Show Spoiler +
Lol!!


Noting this post because it's the first one where Chez breaks character and it's rayn talking about Sandroba doing nothing and deflecting.


What do you make of this point HF made? Is it something mafia Chez would do?

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On December 15 2023 01:01 Koshi wrote:
Damn. I am all up for that tbh.



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On December 15 2023 01:01 Koshi wrote:
Marv should we switch? There is no way this is mafia slam and sandroba doing this right?




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On December 15 2023 01:03 Koshi wrote:
I can't believe slam is mafia.
Chez is liability.
Sandroba/Chez still possible.

Sandroba is posting so extra day isnt that bad.


If this is someone looking like they're going to stay on sandroba then we can end this convo here lol

It definitely looked like that after i voted, until marv voted.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 22:41 GMT
#2315
Koshi can talk for himself though.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 22:45 GMT
#2317
On December 16 2023 07:43 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2023 07:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 16 2023 07:37 Holyflare wrote:
On December 15 2023 00:16 Koshi wrote:
@Slam:

On December 12 2023 02:37 Holyflare wrote:
On December 11 2023 05:27 Chezinu wrote:
On December 11 2023 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 11 2023 05:07 sandroba wrote:
I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective.
Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts.

I think you should start raising suspicions, or at least having reads, in case you're town, but then again i don't know if i need to tell you this.

People suspect you, if you're town, get over it, stop defending and start producing something of substance (because people suspect you as you don't produce anything of substance -- right or wrong)



If you need help sandroba, you can read my posts to learn how to have people not think you post nothing of substance.


+ Show Spoiler +
Lol!!


Noting this post because it's the first one where Chez breaks character and it's rayn talking about Sandroba doing nothing and deflecting.


What do you make of this point HF made? Is it something mafia Chez would do?

On December 15 2023 01:01 Koshi wrote:
Damn. I am all up for that tbh.



On December 15 2023 01:01 Koshi wrote:
Marv should we switch? There is no way this is mafia slam and sandroba doing this right?




On December 15 2023 01:03 Koshi wrote:
I can't believe slam is mafia.
Chez is liability.
Sandroba/Chez still possible.

Sandroba is posting so extra day isnt that bad.


If this is someone looking like they're going to stay on sandroba then we can end this convo here lol

It definitely looked like that after i voted, until marv voted.


Ya but this convo isn't about that it's about what it looked like when you placed your vote and the mindset of people at the time. Can you see why my thought process is that your vote looks like a bus?

Can you see why koshi thinks your vote is weird etc. All very clear to me.

I can see that. I can even see it comes from a townie.
I just disagree, and i definitely didn't think that at the time. Because i also pay attention to what people do and what they would or wouldn't do, even when i am town. I didn't know what Koshi would do, but i definitely know NOW he wouldn't change, until marv.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 22:46 GMT
#2318
I mean i can see your thought process, and even why it is townie (regarding me being mafia).

Koshi can speak for himself.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 22:48 GMT
#2320
On December 16 2023 07:47 Holyflare wrote:
Yeah whether it's true or not is irrelevant to me I don't care about what could have been. I just want the situation to make sense from people's perspectives and discover who had a townie thought process and I think we've reached that.

I haven't really come that far, what's yours?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 23:09 GMT
#2324
I really don't know how Koshi and sandroba look really good even from your perspective.
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