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On December 19 2023 08:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
but why not sandroba?
marv why?
I'm sheeping marv's read.
I still think he's somewhat scummy.
I think mafia marv, realizing we're in lylo, would be hard bussing his partner here and probably taking you or someone else that townreads him into another lylo, then rely on his good standing in town to carry through. So almost regardless of marv's alignment, I'm happy to accept pretty much any read of his as good. He is good at this and not as rusty as I am.
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On December 19 2023 08:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
so what, we lynch DMB tomorrow?
That is my preference.
If we lose, we lose to great mafia play.
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If I assume dmb is good at town, she's 100% mafia.
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But that's not as obvious to people who don't fully know my alignment.
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On December 19 2023 08:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You assume what?
Was that unclear?
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On December 19 2023 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 08:30 Palmar wrote:
If I assume dmb is good at town, she's 100% mafia. Do you assume that, why?
I don't. I'm saying that IF I were to assume it, then that would be the result.
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I will, obviously, entertain those kinda ideas tomorrow. It's lylo and I need to button things up.
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We can't no lynch.
Mafia can just plop down 1 vote on the deadline and win the game.
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And you know, at the moment we just lynch dmb.
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realistically the only other person I'll vote today is Trfel, but like... no idea why I would do that when this other lynch is available.
I don't trust sandroba, but again, very willing to sheep marv's townread on him.
I think rayn is town
I think slam is town (and HF was adamant he is)
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I need town to understand, we're here because we suck. If mafia isn't killing us it's because we're bad.
Sheeping dead townies is a good idea.
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The logic here is actually simple that the scum team is Trfel/dmb
I have almost no confidence in that one. But everyone seems fine with killing dmb. Either we're siding with 2 mafia or it's bus time.
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It's gonna be very interesting to see what dmb does when pressured as well. Where is she going to try to lynch?
if it's me I'm just tunneling her to death, so she will have to find new stuff to talk about.
Or if she's mafia be smart and baby seal the day away to leave town with no info.
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Oh and Trfel is pretty much not allowed to change his mind on dmb unless I allow it.
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Godfather does not hide from tracker.
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But obviously marv didn't explicitly say he tracked me, and of course any mafia can carry the KP
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In fact, I personally don't think marv tracked me. I think he just thinks I'm town.
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On December 20 2023 01:22 Trfel wrote:die_meatbabyI believe that die_meatbaby is mafia due to the cognitive dissonance in her posts. As in, I cannot put together a town mindset that die_meatbaby's play is coming from that makes sense. For example, if someone says "I want to lynch person A" but their actions do not indicate that they think player A is mafia or that they actually care about lynching player A, that would be an example of the cognitive dissonance I am referring to. Cognitive dissonance 1: Palmar is mafia, but die_meatbaby doesn't take any actions towards lynching Palmar + Show Spoiler +I thought Holyflare made a post about this but I can't seem to find it. It must have been someone else. Die_meatbaby has been scumreading Palmar the whole game, it's been quite the anti-Palmar crusade. However, she hasn't actually made any efforts to trying to lynch Palmar. She didn't even vote for Palmar until late day 3!
Sure, die_meatbaby was scumreading Palmar night 1, and seemed pretty upset about it night 2. But when it actually comes down to it, die_meatbaby seems exceptionally content to vote for people other than Palmar, while Palmar is by far her biggest scumread. This doesn't match the mindset of someone who has been dead set on lynching Palmar this whole game.
If you doubt this, read her filter yourself, or check the vote thread. When it's time to vote, die_meatbaby doesn't seem to care if Palmar lives or dies. Cognitive dissonance 2: Suspicious of everyone, not inquisitive/not trying to figure things out + Show Spoiler +This has become more clear towards the later portions of the game. Look at this series of posts after the day 3 lynch: On December 18 2023 22:04 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 09:12 Trfel wrote:On December 18 2023 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote Holyflare
Out ofthese three i am voting here. I had least somewhat productive discussion with Palmar last night, DMB i dont think is mafia. Also voting Holyflare I guess. Trfel just waiting on which vote rayn was going and then voting on HF instead of Palmar... and I am more suspicious then this???? Maybe I am really wrong with Palmar and its Sandro and Trfel or Sandro and Palmar. How the fuck do I end up as scum in this bullshit scenario. I voted for Palmar. I was against HF lynch. I chanced my vote on Vivax as soon it was clear that he was town and we weren't anoth Townies at that lynch to chance it. Chez was suspicious for me just not my main scum reason and as I already said he is hard to read at least for me. Chez voting an 1 1/2 before lynch and not beeing here till lynch of Vivax is fucking suspicious. In America it's not fucking 4 am tell me that chez just safed you sandro. Because if Vivax didn't get lynched you would and he saved you!!! Tell me I am fucking right with this!! If you are scum just give up. Letting the newbie alive because it's always save to have somebody you can easy lynch. I am just a another version of VE. Always mafia lets VE alive. In every game VE was misslynch from Town (if he was Town) and you guys using me as your next misslynch for Town just because newbie looks scummy. "she writes different" She compares old games with the actual play still using here" She is not playing like the other that looks scummy". No you fucking with the wrong Town here. I am not VE and will do everything what this Town needs and if nobody sees this how chez just safed you at the vivax lynch I am obviously playing with the wrong people here. You all telling me how high you meta is and the experience you guys have over the last decade... yes we talking about a fucking decade and you don't see that. So, Palmar is mafia. Sandroba was saved by Chezinu when he voted for Vivax, which means sandroba is mafia, right? But Trfel is also maybe mafia! But there are only two members left alive for mafia? On December 18 2023 22:21 die_meatbaby wrote:
Fuck off with this Palmar tunnel I have. I don't care who is mafia with you but you fucking are. Chez didn't vote on you at first and second lynch. It was so obvious that we couldn't believe it. But now I see the light at the end of my tunnel and this light is you. I can't step on the gas pedal, because the traffic light is so red... On December 18 2023 22:47 die_meatbaby wrote:I already said lets fucking vote this ego busted dickhead and the people here voting still on HF Rayn isn't here the hole day votes on HF instead of Palmar and Trfel waiting to see what rayn is going to do and votes then also on HF. Why not TRFEL and Rayn or Trfel and you or Trfel and Palmar. Why was he waiting? He is sad about HF and votes on him. What did he expect? Why didn't the people vote on Palmar here ot least on me as I said lynch rather me then HF. Yes I was also wrong but I knew he was at least not scum. Suddenly posting about raynpelikoneet as well. Is she suspicious of him also? That makes four mafia in a two player game. On December 18 2023 23:38 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 23:15 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 23:06 die_meatbaby wrote:On December 18 2023 22:54 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 22:47 die_meatbaby wrote:On December 18 2023 22:40 sandroba wrote:
Palmar + rayn makes sense I already said lets fucking vote this ego busted dickhead and the people here voting still on HF Rayn isn't here the hole day votes on HF instead of Palmar and Trfel waiting to see what rayn is going to do and votes then also on HF. Why not TRFEL and Rayn or Trfel and you or Trfel and Palmar. Why was he waiting? He is sad about HF and votes on him. What did he expect? Why didn't the people vote on Palmar here ot least on me as I said lynch rather me then HF. Yes I was also wrong but I knew he was at least not scum. Hell yes DMB, let's kill palmar together. Trfel from my perspective after d2 is very hard to believe is ever scum. Also, even beyond that many of his posts are just super townie, especially as the game progresses. Rayn makes more sense to me I will reread the hole game something is goeing extremly wrong here. We voting Town after Town.. nightkills random as fuck especially the Koshi kill pisses me off and then this yesterday.. The fuck is wrong in this game?! Yes i am still suspicious as hell of Palmar, but of you defently as well!! Don´t try do make a town looking conversation with me because right now I am suspicious about everybody here! See you again after reread the hole game It doesn't help to be suspicious of everybody. At this point you have to narrow it down otherwise you will end up easily siding with scum if you are town. The actuall fuck is goeing on here. I am at the point were i am just pissed on mafia for fooling us so hard. You got almost lynched 2 times at the first two lynches and chez saved you all two lynches even at the second one he rather voted on Trefel then on you. It is so obvious that i can´t believe it myself that that could actually be true. Rayn coming, telling in 2 or 3 sentences why he rather vote on HF than on me or Palmar. Trefel beeing around and just waiting with his vote what was the main reason why HF was lynched because he could have let it on me or on Palmar and then beeing sad about HF lynch. WTF is this here. MARV not even thinking a bit of Palmar beeing scum And Slam starts posting like chez and I don´t understand what he wants to say with his strange posts The hell i am suspicious of to many people here right now And here goes marvellosity and Alakaslam too. Please understand, it's not scummy to be suspicious of lots of people. The suspicious thing is the lack of desire to figure out which suspicious people are actually mafia and which are town. Die_meatbaby is very content to just have everyone as suspicious, which is extremely mafia motivated and shows no desire to solve the game. On December 18 2023 23:44 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 23:34 marvellosity wrote:On December 18 2023 23:06 die_meatbaby wrote:On December 18 2023 22:54 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 22:47 die_meatbaby wrote:On December 18 2023 22:40 sandroba wrote:
Palmar + rayn makes sense I already said lets fucking vote this ego busted dickhead and the people here voting still on HF Rayn isn't here the hole day votes on HF instead of Palmar and Trfel waiting to see what rayn is going to do and votes then also on HF. Why not TRFEL and Rayn or Trfel and you or Trfel and Palmar. Why was he waiting? He is sad about HF and votes on him. What did he expect? Why didn't the people vote on Palmar here ot least on me as I said lynch rather me then HF. Yes I was also wrong but I knew he was at least not scum. Hell yes DMB, let's kill palmar together. Trfel from my perspective after d2 is very hard to believe is ever scum. Also, even beyond that many of his posts are just super townie, especially as the game progresses. Rayn makes more sense to me I will reread the hole game something is goeing extremly wrong here. We voting Town after Town.. nightkills random as fuck especially the Koshi kill pisses me off and then this yesterday.. The fuck is wrong in this game?! Yes i am still suspicious as hell of Palmar, but of you defently as well!! Don´t try do make a town looking conversation with me because right now I am suspicious about everybody here! See you again after reread the hole game Why are you suspicious of sandro please? I fucking tell you why. Lynch Nr. 1 Most people are on Vivax second most voted train Sandro. Chez voted 1 hour before lynch on Vivax. At this point he should aready know that Vivax will get emtional now and he has good scum player should also know that maybe the vote train will go on sandro, but sadly not anoth town people here at that moment to save Vivax, Second lynch almost everbody on chez at the end of the timer but few hours before there was voting train on chez or on sandro and chez still rather voting on Trfel then on Sandro why should he do that. She's just coming up with whatever reason to be suspicious of anyone that she can, here it relies on me being town. This all makes no sense from a town perspective. Cognitive dissonance 3: lots of emotional energy, little/no scumhunting energy + Show Spoiler +
Die_meatbaby is very angry and emotionally invested. But you don't see that investment in actual scumhunting. If someone is angry, if they are spending a lot of energy in the thread, it's because they care about the game, and thus presumably want to find mafia and win. But you don't see die_meatbaby trying to figure out people's alignments on anywhere NEAR the same magnitude as she is emotionally invested. Lots of the quotes above support this, or you can read her filter.
She finds lots of things suspicious but doesn't seem to care to figure out who is actually mafia and who isn't.
Then there are smaller things. For example, when Holyflare asks die_meatbaby who is mafia with Palmar, she answers: Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 00:35 die_meatbaby wrote:On December 18 2023 00:25 Holyflare wrote:On December 18 2023 00:16 die_meatbaby wrote:
you guys can tell me I am paranoid about palmar beeing mafia but that it just an insane mafia play right there Why are you pretending like nobody in this game reads palmar as mafia and you're the only one fighting an uphill battle? Why have you never voted palmar? Who is mafia with palmar? There a people NOW who are thinking of him as scum, but not after the first lynch. I was alone with my thoughts there. I never votet on Palmar because it would just be a useless vote. First vote i need to safe vivax. (altough we missed one vote to safe him) Second 10 votes on chez... 1 vote on Palmar will chance the lynch... yeah.. I most likley think it would be Trfel or you! Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 04:12 die_meatbaby wrote:On December 18 2023 04:01 sandroba wrote:On December 18 2023 03:58 Trfel wrote:
I understand what sandroba is saying about the Koshi kill and how that implicates marvellosity and Palmar. However, that just isn't how I am reading the game.
I would very much like to lynch die_meatbaby but if that isn't possible I would lynch Holyflare over Palmar. I can lynch DMB. I won't lynch HF rather lynch me than HF. Better do lose a normal Town then losing a blue one! I will die for Town and i will not care but i will not be with a lynch our hope for a vigi or something else what could help. But four hours later the second post comes. Which one is it? If Holyflare is one of the most likely candidates for being the remaining mafia member, why would she say he is blue and want herself lynched instead? And if she thinks Holyflare is blue, how would have have a chance of being mafia? This is not the view of someone who is looking at the game and actually trying to figure out people's alignments. I'm convinced that die_meatbaby is mafia. If you are not, please talk to me and help me to understand why, since it is very important that town is in agreement this phase.
Didnt read but scummy
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On December 19 2023 23:22 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2023 17:54 Palmar wrote:
We can't no lynch.
Mafia can just plop down 1 vote on the deadline and win the game. Are you saying if there is 4 no lynch votes and 2 votes on someone, someone gets lynched? I don't think that's how it works.
Yeah no I’m probably wrong, no lynch might be a plurality option.
If you wanna we can but I kinda don’t care enough to wait.
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