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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 20 2023 16:20 GMT
#3291
Well, you are being super biased if you can't even consider it and are dead set on this explanation for it I can't even understand.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 20 2023 16:23 GMT
#3294
On December 21 2023 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How does it help that DMB lynches Vivax, over sandroba? After that she has at least 3 irl days to deal with Vivax (unless nk him).

I think you meant the other way around. We can't know for sure, but you are hinging so much of your town read on something that I think could be done as either alignment.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 20 2023 16:26 GMT
#3296
On December 21 2023 01:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2023 01:20 sandroba wrote:
Well, you are being super biased if you can't even consider it and are dead set on this explanation for it I can't even understand.

I am not super set on this explanation, but i don't really see a good case on why i am supposed to think she is mafia.

I think Trfel's case spells it out pretty clearly why. The fact that you read the same case as me and don't even go: "Huh, there might be something there" makes absolutely no sense to me. Even if you think Trfel is scum, he would have bussed Chez d2 in that world, why could he not be doing that here
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 20 2023 16:26 GMT
#3297
On December 21 2023 01:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2023 01:23 sandroba wrote:
On December 21 2023 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How does it help that DMB lynches Vivax, over sandroba? After that she has at least 3 irl days to deal with Vivax (unless nk him).

I think you meant the other way around. We can't know for sure, but you are hinging so much of your town read on something that I think could be done as either alignment.

i meant if she is mafia.

how does it help? or do you know she is town?

I pointed out the motivation I think mafia you do it above, read and don't ask again
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 20 2023 16:36 GMT
#3300
I did address it in a single phrase. There is no team possible that doesn't involve dmb so you can argue your Trfel case after we lynch mafia dmb
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 20 2023 16:39 GMT
#3302
On December 21 2023 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2023 01:26 sandroba wrote:
On December 21 2023 01:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 21 2023 01:20 sandroba wrote:
Well, you are being super biased if you can't even consider it and are dead set on this explanation for it I can't even understand.

I am not super set on this explanation, but i don't really see a good case on why i am supposed to think she is mafia.

I think Trfel's case spells it out pretty clearly why. The fact that you read the same case as me and don't even go: "Huh, there might be something there" makes absolutely no sense to me. Even if you think Trfel is scum, he would have bussed Chez d2 in that world, why could he not be doing that here

I think i already said why i think Trfel's vote could be a bus?

I also think i answered Trfel's case in how it is possible DMB did that all as town. All these points:
Cognitive dissonance 1: Palmar is mafia, but die_meatbaby doesn't take any actions towards lynching Palmar

Cognitive dissonance 2: Suspicious of everyone, not inquisitive/not trying to figure things out

Cognitive dissonance 3: lots of emotional energy, little/no scumhunting energy

What hypothetical point you can make about a someone which you can't say: it is possible to do that all as town ?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 20 2023 16:42 GMT
#3303
On December 21 2023 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2023 01:36 sandroba wrote:
I did address it in a single phrase. There is no team possible that doesn't involve dmb so you can argue your Trfel case after we lynch mafia dmb

Why is Trfel and Palmar impossible for you?
Or any team that includes Slam?

It's not impossible as I've said. It's just super unlikely in my mind. If that's the case they would have played the most amazing scum game I've seen, while possible I prefer to live in the real world which most likely Palmar just played a shitty game as town and Trfel played a good game as town.

Slam I confess I'm somewhat relying on reads from others. The way he reacted today compared to you makes me feel more at ease with my world view
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 20 2023 16:56 GMT
#3306
On December 21 2023 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2023 01:39 sandroba wrote:
On December 21 2023 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 21 2023 01:26 sandroba wrote:
On December 21 2023 01:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 21 2023 01:20 sandroba wrote:
Well, you are being super biased if you can't even consider it and are dead set on this explanation for it I can't even understand.

I am not super set on this explanation, but i don't really see a good case on why i am supposed to think she is mafia.

I think Trfel's case spells it out pretty clearly why. The fact that you read the same case as me and don't even go: "Huh, there might be something there" makes absolutely no sense to me. Even if you think Trfel is scum, he would have bussed Chez d2 in that world, why could he not be doing that here

I think i already said why i think Trfel's vote could be a bus?

I also think i answered Trfel's case in how it is possible DMB did that all as town. All these points:
Cognitive dissonance 1: Palmar is mafia, but die_meatbaby doesn't take any actions towards lynching Palmar

Cognitive dissonance 2: Suspicious of everyone, not inquisitive/not trying to figure things out

Cognitive dissonance 3: lots of emotional energy, little/no scumhunting energy

What hypothetical point you can make about a someone which you can't say: it is possible to do that all as town ?

Of course anything can be done as town or as mafia.It's just about the fact what people would do as town or as mafia. Why are any of of those scumtells on DMB?

Like, i think mafia is either Trfel and you, or Trfel and Palmar. I don't really think Palmar is mafia, but i can be wrong here. I made a case against Trfel, you seem to be very hesitant to disagree with the actual contents of the case, while disagreeing.

I have commented on the case on DMB, that leaves me looking like whatever you think it does. I don't give a shit about that, it's MYLO, we lose if we lynch wrong. Why don't you want to comment on the case on Trfel?

It's not me and I'm willing to lose to Palmar. If turns out it's Palmar I can always just yell at marv.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 20 2023 17:07 GMT
#3310
I'll say the same to you. As town you don't know who scum is so in your mind you have to accept that if you are totally wrong, you will just lose.
If you follow your plan we will lose to scum dmb, and you seem to be okay with that.

All the people I'm saying I'm okay losing to I think are town and if I'm just wrong about that, they did a great job and props to them for winning the game
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 20 2023 17:11 GMT
#3312
On December 21 2023 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2023 02:07 sandroba wrote:
I'll say the same to you. As town you don't know who scum is so in your mind you have to accept that if you are totally wrong, you will just lose.
If you follow your plan we will lose to scum dmb, and you seem to be okay with that.

All the people I'm saying I'm okay losing to I think are town and if I'm just wrong about that, they did a great job and props to them for winning the game

Yeah except i am not saying that, i am trying to lynch who i think is mafia, you're trying to lynch who you don't want to lose to.

Not true, you are just grasping at straws
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 20 2023 17:17 GMT
#3315
Yes, ignore everything else I said about who I think is mafia, who I think is town and then you are left with my feelings of acceptance in case I'm wrong
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 20 2023 17:18 GMT
#3317
I'm done arguing with you. You are mafia plain as day to me, there isn't any point continuing
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 20 2023 17:23 GMT
#3320
Yes, I think it should be clear to anyone reading this
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 20 2023 17:50 GMT
#3325
Tell that to your partner DMB who you refuse to say these things about
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 20 2023 17:52 GMT
#3327
That's fine, we can argue about that later. Just bus dmb now and I promise I'll consider okay
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 20 2023 18:00 GMT
#3335
Your case on Trfel is complete trash rayn, I commented on it already. It never suggests the mafia motivation for Trfel on any of the points you make, you misrepresent what happens in other points. How you can even convince yourself that it should give you a reason to vote Trfel instead of dmb is sad.
I don't know what my angle is either arguing with you, I'm honestly just annoyed at your tactics misconstruing things, which probably is your whole motivation for using them.
I hope it at least is showing Palmar, Slam and Trfel how disingenuous you are being.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 20 2023 18:05 GMT
#3336
How can rayn even defend low effort dmb who is not even here defending herself is mind-boggling. We raised points on dmb which she has not addressed, yet rayn feels confortable speculating what town reasons she should have for it.
That should tell you everything you need to know.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 20 2023 18:10 GMT
#3339
On December 21 2023 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2023 03:00 sandroba wrote:
Your case on Trfel is complete trash rayn.

show me how, point by point

No. I'm not your monkey. You already know what you did
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 20 2023 18:14 GMT
#3343
Summarize your points using the same criteria you use to dismiss the dmb points and I'll address them
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 20 2023 18:24 GMT
#3344
Fuck it, I might as well share my thoughts.

On December 20 2023 22:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think Trfel is just mafia here.

- Trfel has been very wishy-washy on his reads during the whole game. I know town!Trfel is wishy-wasy, i just think he is overplaying it here. Basically every read until last night ends up being "could be or is not mafia" category. Basically Trfel has called everyone mafia except for Palmar. Only after marv starts getting suspicious of him and his town read on Palmar he starts getting these hard stances on people. I understand the less people we have the less room there is also for error, but it just doesn't seem natural at all to me.

So have pretty much every other dead townie. You even acknowledge that but just adds doesn't seem natural at the end.

- Trfel calls DMB mafia for scumreading Palmar, but not doing anything with the read. Now this makes sense if the mafia team is exactly DMB and Palmar, but Trfel doesn't think this is the case because he townreads and has townread Palmar all game (except for one point where he thinks Palmar + marv could be mafia). This sort of behavior should only be suspicious for DMB if Palmar is mafia in his mind, because otherwise it doesn't make any sense to act like that, Palmar has been suspected by everyone pretty much during the whole game.

"Now this makes sense if the mafia team is exactly DMB and Palmar," Your explanation here is flat-out wrong and you should know better. Mafia will try to avoid the spot light and not try to get people lynched, it doesn't only make sense if the scum read is also mafia.

- I still don't know understand this:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2023 12:12 Trfel wrote:
I think Palmar is probably my strongest townread, with sandroba not too far behind (I don't see how Palmar could be mafia unless he is mafia with marvellosity). Will have a lot of reevaluating to do. I still think die_meatbaby is mafia and don't really understand why people disagree. I need to catch up on the last 10 pages but I'll be here on-and-off for a while.

Basically everything Trfel writes, even his case on DMB, should be in towards Palmar being mafia, yet Palmar is his strongest town read. So i am going to guess he thinks i am mafia or Slam is mafia. But he already said he doesn't think i am mafia. Does Slam being mafia make sense to anyone else? Based on Trfel's reads, how is he going to put up a mafia team of two people here? At least he hasn't contributed towards that in any sense, just that DMB is mafia.

Doesn't follow, you proposed something from your own head that Trfel should think Palmar is mafia and from there you said it doesn't make sense. Why does it matter if Trfel did not tell us who he thinks the other mafia is?

- If Trfel really believes DMB is mafia, he didn't do anything to change the lynch on D3 to DMB. After i voted, he did absolutely nothing to contribute towards his preferred lynch DMB, just voted for HF and "gave up" for the day for whatever reason. Now the only reason i can of here, is that he wants to keep DMB as a lynch bait. The case he has presented against DMB was all there during D3, why didn't he act on it during D3?

He did, town just didn't listen to him. Your speculation is one-sided.

- Minor point but still a point, Trfel has (as Koshi did) misrepresented my actions during D1. We all know, or should know Koshi didn't read the thread properly, because he said so, and agreed to that when i was talking with him around the Chezinu lynch. Now Trfel has been reading the thread, at least he is trying to show such M.O. My interpretation is, that he knew Koshi is town, and took Koshi's statement of me having voted for Vivax D1 (when i never really did -- i called Vivax town) at face value without checking it even when i clearly expressed that earlier already, that i never did such thing!!.

Doesn't matter. Doesn't make anyone mafia. Your interpretation about Koshi is just ridiculous.

##vote Trfel

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