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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 17:53 GMT
#2192
He thinks sandroba is mafia.
It's understandable, that when i vote for Chezinu, he thinks i am also mafia.
But then he is "all lost and doesn't know what to do" when it should be quite clear for him that sandroba and rayn are mafia (he still keeps calling sandroba mafia after voting for Chezinu).

Why is he all lost?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 17:55 GMT
#2193
On December 15 2023 09:50 Palmar wrote:
My current team is like sandro/rayn and some random dude. Maybe chez? who knows.

Like here, see. Everything should be crystal clear for him here, yet he feels lost when mafia just have outed themselves to him.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 17:57 GMT
#2194
On December 15 2023 20:02 Palmar wrote:
I still agree with Koshi on everything this game. Still hate his whiny play. I see no reason to pursue him further.

This post sucks ass. Even if you think Koshi is town you for sure don't agree with him calling you mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 18:01 GMT
#2195
marv's vote on chezinu probably solves this game, at least for me.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 18:01 GMT
#2196
Im thinking most likely answer atm is HF + Palmar.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 18:18 GMT
#2198
I'm not mafia though Slam.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 18:22 GMT
#2205
On December 16 2023 03:20 marvellosity wrote:
Rayn I’m not ignoring you but I’m out with my other half so can’t give your series of posts the attention they might need

No worries, it's not like i need any sort of answer on anything, aside that i kinda wanted from sandroba but he magically disappeared.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 18:31 GMT
#2206
Holyflare's fliter is very meek throughout the whole game. There is no posts that raise eyebrows into any direction. Then at the same time he claims he is busy and that's why he is not playing up to standards or whatever, you know what i mean, and then he claims also that if he was mafia he would not make those wishy-washy posts because he could do better.

It doesn't make sense, if he has no time to play better (as town or as mafia), why would he play better as mafia?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 18:36 GMT
#2208
Also if i accuse of town HF of something, he tries to reason with me, at least up to some point. Here he has not done any of that (while my argument was at least reasonable, regardless of if it makes him mafia or not). And that's why because noone understood my argument (i still don't know why), he had perfect chance to just call me boring, stupid and all time low, and i don't remember what other names -- i.e. just attack my credibility instead of trying to talk to me (even when he didn't believe i am mafia).

I don't understand why town!Holyflare thinks not reasoning with town!rayn should have a "good" outcome in any case.
I can understand why defaulting into ad hom against town!rayn should result in good outcome for mafia!Holyflare.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 18:48 GMT
#2209
I still can't get over with Koshi's
"this thing X is SOOO bad for rayn"
"but maybe it's correct"
"but it's soooo bad, rayn is sooo scum especially how he did it"
"but yeah it's correct"
"yeah marv voting with his scumread because his scumread asked is also so good, me follow plz"
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 19:02 GMT
#2212
On December 16 2023 03:51 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2023 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare's fliter is very meek throughout the whole game. There is no posts that raise eyebrows into any direction. Then at the same time he claims he is busy and that's why he is not playing up to standards or whatever, you know what i mean, and then he claims also that if he was mafia he would not make those wishy-washy posts because he could do better.

It doesn't make sense, if he has no time to play better (as town or as mafia), why would he play better as mafia?


Not what I said. I said I know words, phrases and posting styles that are traditionally mafia oriented. If I were not really invested mafia trying to not get too much attention I wouldn't end a big post in a conclusion that ended up almost 50/50 with a town lean because that is obviously a waste of my precious time I'd have to influence the thread or steer it in a direction. You should know what my game style is as mafia and it's most certainly not whatever you're pretending to think it is now.

What influence have I had to inject in this game that I needed to? I just have a good time chatting through things with people and point things out occasionally and that's all that's been required of me. You can see the thought processes behind what I'm writing as clear as day.

Did you look into why I decided to make a post about trfel? No. Your case is so surface level it's insane. You're not paying attention to my motivations and that's extremely uncharacteristic and uncharitable and I think you're just trying to hammer home any point you can for the sake of it.

Think about it from my point of view of sandroba progression, admitting that sandroba is starting to look a lot better, acknowledging points sandro made about trfel finally and reading back DPs filter to determine what he thought because he was also trfel focused. Want to get to the bottom of trfel because he's a key slot that needs solving and coming out with what I said.

If you read Trfel's filter what would your conclusion be? If you read through my post what points did I specifically raise that you think should have swayed me further? You look at one line out of hundreds and incorrectly summarise the thought I put in throughout and try and whittle it down to nothingness. That's not town rayn imo.

Se all what you are saying here about your Trfel case is fine. But that's not the case you made.
You made a case that said idk what Trfel is.

If you made this case back then then it would be fine.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 19:06 GMT
#2213
Your "thought process" on my original case was exactly this
On December 11 2023 04:18 Holyflare wrote:
Oh I think I see what you're saying. You should look at the timestamps of Palmar's reply because it is not when you think it is. 2 hours ago is not anything near to when I said I read and it most certainly isn't the beginning of the game or his filter like you're saying it is.


This is not an answer to what i said. Or if it is, it's a bad one.

After that you started deflecting from the subject.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 19:15 GMT
#2214
On December 16 2023 03:51 Holyflare wrote:
You can see the thought processes behind what I'm writing as clear as day.

Did you look into why I decided to make a post about trfel? No. Your case is so surface level it's insane. You're not paying attention to my motivations and that's extremely uncharacteristic and uncharitable and I think you're just trying to hammer home any point you can for the sake of it.

Think about it from my point of view of sandroba progression, admitting that sandroba is starting to look a lot better, acknowledging points sandro made about trfel finally and reading back DPs filter to determine what he thought because he was also trfel focused. Want to get to the bottom of trfel because he's a key slot that needs solving and coming out with what I said.

I can vaguely see the thought process reading your filter p6-7.
It's nothing you couldn't have done as mafia, especially if sandroba is town.
Also it's still very bleh.. It's still no read into vote because sandroba looks better because of ??? into vote on sandroba because of "trfel wagon looks bad".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 19:41 GMT
#2217
Here is timeline:
------(1)------------(2)----->

at (1) rayn questions sandroba
at (2) Palmar makes his first post

Holyflare, you voted for me after that. You were asked for your reasoning.
You said one of the reasons was my town read on Palmar.
Now this makes it clear you have read until (2).

We discuss this further, and it becomes apparent you have not processed anything i have written properly enough to even realise i am at point (1) questioning (with my only relevant post in the game atm) your scumread sandroba.

I call you out saying you cannot have thought about my posts properly, because you haven't even read me questioning your scumread sandroba (backed up by your own words). To which you answer "oh i just wanted to get a vote down" and some other shit. But this doesn't make any sense because you already had made a thought process on voting rayn, which you disclosed before.

I understand i am not very good at english or not very good at explaining my shit, but this doesn't make any sense. None of the answers make any sense with what actually happened, and what actually should have been the thought process if anything was true. It's annoying people can't even understand this.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 19:43 GMT
#2220
On December 16 2023 04:40 sandroba wrote:
Well, you are both hard to pin down as mafia, I'll give you that. Rayn posting here feels towny to me. I'll probably have to resort to reading some old games (which I'm dreading atm) to try to figure out who is capable of what as mafia.

If i am mafia i am never ever in this situation right here right now. I'm only in this situation here because i say and do what i think is right, and not what i know town wants to hear.

Let that be known.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 19:44 GMT
#2221
On December 16 2023 04:41 Palmar wrote:
Rayn talk more about me please. Really get in there and tell me why I’ve been a bad boy.

Sorry that was all i have to say for now.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 19:49 GMT
#2223
On December 16 2023 04:48 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2023 04:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 16 2023 04:41 Palmar wrote:
Rayn talk more about me please. Really get in there and tell me why I’ve been a bad boy.

Sorry that was all i have to say for now.

Come on don’t be a tease

Nah i just think it makes you mafia you say youre lost when your rest of post says you should not based on what you have thought before and after.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 19:50 GMT
#2224
On December 16 2023 04:42 Holyflare wrote:
I've even re-read my filter because I thought I may have adhommed rayn at some point out of frustration and he may have been slighted by it but I haven't and I am actually being gaslit. Nothing but charitable posts trying to point out what he was saying was wrong and then trying to solve the rest of the game only to be ocassionally sniped from the shadows by him again saying stuff about the beginning of the game.

Sorry maybe ad hom was bit out of line. I was just angry for when you called me new low.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 20:22 GMT
#2229
On December 16 2023 04:59 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2023 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 16 2023 04:48 Palmar wrote:
On December 16 2023 04:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 16 2023 04:41 Palmar wrote:
Rayn talk more about me please. Really get in there and tell me why I’ve been a bad boy.

Sorry that was all i have to say for now.

Come on don’t be a tease

Nah i just think it makes you mafia you say youre lost when your rest of post says you should not based on what you have thought before and after.

It’s called waffling

I know what it's being called.
My point is you should not have been waffling based on your posts before, after an in the same post (lol).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 15 2023 20:25 GMT
#2230
On December 16 2023 05:18 Holyflare wrote:
I believe information and forcing people to do things that is uncharacteristic for them or puts them in positions they don't want to be in is a much better situation.

Cool, then you understand maybe 35% of what i was doing D2, and i think i succeeded.
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