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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 00:36 GMT
#2472
Yeah, your reads are based more on voting and actions and less on feel, tone and intuition, but the results are the same.

So we just lynch HF?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 00:37 GMT
#2473
I did say HF was scummy for townreading me through day 1 and I think into day 2! Very scummy of him to be right about my alignment!
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 00:38 GMT
#2474
And just because you like associative reads, do you think I, if mafia, would bus HF here and think I'm somehow gonna last into endgame?

But that's really neither here nor there. I haven't really read HF's filter. Trfel is the one I did today and I genuinely like most of his posting.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 00:42 GMT
#2477
On December 17 2023 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2023 09:36 Palmar wrote:
Yeah, your reads are based more on voting and actions and less on feel, tone and intuition, but the results are the same.

So we just lynch HF?

I dont wanna do that right now because he was the only person being reasonable with me last night (lol) when noone else was.
I can do whatever i want tomorrow.

Do you have a case on him? I know my case is considered irrelevant for everyone else in the game already.

As I said, I don't really. The points I have against him right now are:

1) He did very little early in the game. He was at the bottom of my "people who did shit on day 1" list outside of chez/slam
2) I genuinely expected HF to get into a massive argument with me on night 1 for being wrong on Vivax.
3) Like I've accused you of, I don't think he has changed any hearts and minds in this town.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 00:43 GMT
#2478
On December 17 2023 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2023 09:37 Palmar wrote:
I did say HF was scummy for townreading me through day 1 and I think into day 2! Very scummy of him to be right about my alignment!

I don't think this is a good basis of a scumread.

No it's not really.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 00:53 GMT
#2481
On December 17 2023 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2023 09:42 Palmar wrote:
On December 17 2023 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 17 2023 09:36 Palmar wrote:
Yeah, your reads are based more on voting and actions and less on feel, tone and intuition, but the results are the same.

So we just lynch HF?

I dont wanna do that right now because he was the only person being reasonable with me last night (lol) when noone else was.
I can do whatever i want tomorrow.

Do you have a case on him? I know my case is considered irrelevant for everyone else in the game already.

As I said, I don't really. The points I have against him right now are:

1) He did very little early in the game. He was at the bottom of my "people who did shit on day 1" list outside of chez/slam
2) I genuinely expected HF to get into a massive argument with me on night 1 for being wrong on Vivax.
3) Like I've accused you of, I don't think he has changed any hearts and minds in this town.

I can agree to 1 and probably to 3 as well. Not so much on 2.

Question to you; based on 3, you think i haven't done that? Maybe not in a way you like but like you think i haven't made any major discussions happen for instance?


It's because you're changing the question.

Yes, you have been involved in a lot of discussions. But I don't think you've often succeeded in convincing people of your point of view.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 00:54 GMT
#2482
But because you DO do associative reads and think about who could be mafia together.

Do you sincerely believe if HF and I are the remaining mafia we have a play here to bus each other and the other one thinks they can somehow last until endgame?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 00:55 GMT
#2485
Btw, I'm wavering on my actual scumread on you. We agree on too much.

I really need a third party to read this discussion (marv? trfel?) and give their stance on it. Can throw in their stance on me as well.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 00:58 GMT
#2486
On December 17 2023 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2023 09:54 Palmar wrote:
But because you DO do associative reads and think about who could be mafia together.

Do you sincerely believe if HF and I are the remaining mafia we have a play here to bus each other and the other one thinks they can somehow last until endgame?

If you are the last remaining mafia, what other play you have?
And no i am not sure about it, which is why i said i am not sure about it

Hard to speculate what to do as mafia, but I think I've been pretty much the only thing standing in the way of dmb being lynched. Marv seems to like the idea of killing her, so does Trfel. I think that might be the play. At least bring the game to lylo.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 01:02 GMT
#2489
Just one interesting thing. DMB barely talks about HF at all in her filter, like almost nothing.

No idea if it's relevant information.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 01:04 GMT
#2492
On December 17 2023 10:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
but then again i dont really think sandroba is mafia

I kinda could see him be one, I'm mostly just backing off him because I'm sheeping marv.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 01:04 GMT
#2493
Sandroba: have you fully backed off your Trfel thing? Do you think he's town now?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 01:06 GMT
#2494
On December 17 2023 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Gamewise the best play is to lynch sandroba here. Because then i can tell if there is a reason to be mad at me (if he is mafia) or not (if he is town) for my vote on Chezinu.

Like, i find it very very weird that like the whole game finds my vote (they find unreasonable) on Chezinu "scummy as fuck", when i voted for mafia. I fucking voted to kill the mafia roleblocker. It does not sit well with me, that everyone thinks i am mafia because i voted to kill mafia, just because "rayn didn't reason his vote properly". Do people really think i don't reason my votes (especially on mafia -- bussing) properly?????????? It's fucking insane.


For the record, as I've said multiple times, my suspicions of you don't come because of that vote. I've laid out quite nicely what issues I had, and one of them (lack of finding townies to eliminate from the lynch pool) you've actually remedied now.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 01:07 GMT
#2495
For the rest of the thread.. I kinda don't think rayn is mafia. This has been too good.

I'm ready to get hurt again baby.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 01:09 GMT
#2496
If Sandro is actually here, very interested in thoughts on this conversation.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 01:11 GMT
#2497
Come on sandro I want to sleep, spill the beans.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 01:17 GMT
#2499
On December 17 2023 10:14 Trfel wrote:
I know I'm not sandroba though.

This is a plus.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 01:19 GMT
#2501
On December 17 2023 10:19 sandroba wrote:
Poker about to start, will come back tomorrow

booo
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 01:41 GMT
#2512
On December 17 2023 10:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am also saying Palmar is obvious mafia barring the conversation we had.
Do you have an opinion of yours on that?

Very rude
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 17 2023 01:43 GMT
#2514
On December 17 2023 10:41 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2023 10:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am also saying Palmar is obvious mafia barring the conversation we had.
Do you have an opinion of yours on that?
Honestly I'm just not seeing Palmar as mafia. Like theoretically it could be possible, but I'm not sure if Palmar's play this game is in the range of his scum play (to be fair I don't really know what his scum play range is, I just was under the impression that it wasn't quite on the level of someone like you or Holyflare). I looked through his filter, there were a few things that came up but nothing seriously scummy. One of the main points I had on him ended up having a somewhat plausible explanation. Furthermore, I do believe marvellosity is town and I trust marvellosity's read on Palmar, he said he's going to re-evaluate that over the course of the day but for now that's still a townread.

I think perhaps the most likely answer is that one of my assumptions are wrong and that Holyflare or sandroba or Alakaslam is mafia. I have no idea why they would be mafia though, I'm hoping to get through some filter dives sooner or later.

Very polite
Computer says mafia
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