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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 29 2023 21:53 GMT
#1364
Unfortunately convincing wrong cases are the worst kind of cases to make…
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 29 2023 21:55 GMT
#1366
❤️
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 30 2023 06:33 GMT
#1425
##unvote
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 30 2023 08:09 GMT
#1427
On August 30 2023 15:44 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2023 15:33 marvellosity wrote:
##unvote


Thoughts?

Yep when I can. Covering manager all week so hard to apply as much time as I’d like.

The unvote was just shorthand for me saying I’m reconsidering.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 30 2023 08:16 GMT
#1429
On August 30 2023 10:44 TankTopTiger wrote:
I've been talking to Grack and he's encouraged me to keep playing. But if I do, it's not going to be in filter-diving F5 try-hard mode where I argue back and forth for hours. I'm gonna say my piece and if I die I die.

I think LS is town. don't understand or agree with his reasons for reading me green. But that thing where he brought heat down on himself unnecessarily didn't feel like something he would do as red. I think lynching him is another mistake.

By vibe, I think Lamp is town, I just really really don't like his blustery playstyle and would prefer to eat razorblades than read his filter. I think he's bad town, but I think he's town. Trying to shut down conversation at the lynch of D1 in order to lynch Chez for no real stated reason makes me very dismissive of his approach to the game.

I don't like Marv but haven't gone through filter, I'll go into reasons why when I'm back (I'm waiting on a pick-up that's already half-hour late). His misinterpretation of my post, then insistence that DP has it wrong is just wild considering he uses the exact same argument I made in his own defense, but insists after filter diving me twice that the interpretation where I'm scared of dying with only one vote on me while Chez has all of them is the better call. Delusional if town.

I still don't like DP, but understand that basically my entire read on him relies on meta from outside the game and positionally I can never really hope to lynch him. If he denies what I've said regarding his selective forgetting of our RL conversations, he confirms to me that he's scum, but ultimately until I'm dead and confirmed town nobody will ever take it seriously because it's non-verifiable.

Just very quickly on this - when DP said I had misread I went back and read it over again. And I was wrong on that. I realise I hadn’t explicitly stated that yet.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 30 2023 08:19 GMT
#1431
On August 30 2023 17:15 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2023 10:44 TankTopTiger wrote:
I've been talking to Grack and he's encouraged me to keep playing. But if I do, it's not going to be in filter-diving F5 try-hard mode where I argue back and forth for hours. I'm gonna say my piece and if I die I die.

I think LS is town. don't understand or agree with his reasons for reading me green. But that thing where he brought heat down on himself unnecessarily didn't feel like something he would do as red. I think lynching him is another mistake.

By vibe, I think Lamp is town, I just really really don't like his blustery playstyle and would prefer to eat razorblades than read his filter. I think he's bad town, but I think he's town. Trying to shut down conversation at the lynch of D1 in order to lynch Chez for no real stated reason makes me very dismissive of his approach to the game.

I don't like Marv but haven't gone through filter, I'll go into reasons why when I'm back (I'm waiting on a pick-up that's already half-hour late). His misinterpretation of my post, then insistence that DP has it wrong is just wild considering he uses the exact same argument I made in his own defense, but insists after filter diving me twice that the interpretation where I'm scared of dying with only one vote on me while Chez has all of them is the better call. Delusional if town.

I still don't like DP, but understand that basically my entire read on him relies on meta from outside the game and positionally I can never really hope to lynch him. If he denies what I've said regarding his selective forgetting of our RL conversations, he confirms to me that he's scum, but ultimately until I'm dead and confirmed town nobody will ever take it seriously because it's non-verifiable.

Such a good post.
I also still don't like DP.
DP/marv scumteam 😱😱😱

Why to all 3 statements
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 30 2023 08:41 GMT
#1432
LS is like 80% mafia here. For those who know my list posts, he would be in red but not bold red.

Birthday aside his investment has been below what I expect from LS. I haven’t seen any emotional incongruence from him, and it was his birthday, that’s why it’s not higher than 80. He believes math is mafia (I think?!) judging by his reaction to math’s give up post.

Maybe they’re actually just mafia together and I was very wrong about math. I don’t really want to be wrong about that though.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 30 2023 08:45 GMT
#1433
I really don’t understand why anyone is suddenly sure TTT is town. Someone explain to me like I’m a toddler please.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 30 2023 08:48 GMT
#1434
On August 30 2023 17:41 marvellosity wrote:
LS is like 80% mafia here. For those who know my list posts, he would be in red but not bold red.

Birthday aside his investment has been below what I expect from LS. I haven’t seen any emotional incongruence from him, and it was his birthday, that’s why it’s not higher than 80. He believes math is mafia (I think?!) judging by his reaction to math’s give up post.

Maybe they’re actually just mafia together and I was very wrong about math. I don’t really want to be wrong about that though.

Ugh, I forgot to finish the 2nd paragraph here. My point about LS/math was that he calls out math’s give up post as fake and a cop out but there’s no vote attached to it and he’s not mentioned him since. Hopefully that makes what I said after actually make sense…
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 30 2023 09:00 GMT
#1437
On August 30 2023 17:49 DarthPunk wrote:
Ok Marv is town I think.

Marv what’s your confidence interval on math should I trust your eyes more than my own here or is it a situation where it’s just a coin toss who is right??

It’s really like this. If math had continued posting like he had been posting all game I’d be sitting here telling you he was town. For aforementioned reasons. I can quote (well I’m not on a pc so I can’t) 5-10 posts I think sound very natural, confident, blasé, however you want to say it - and I think they’re very difficult to post and maintain as mafia.

The problem I’m increasingly coming up against the more I think about it is that he give up post is so incongruent with any of that. He came under pressure and delivered what I thought was a nice defence to the case. But then peaced out.

I’m really struggling to marry the confident, tonally excellent math with the giving up math. It feels like those 2 players can’t be the same person. So maybe they’re just not. It /is/ a lot easier to marry up a math who was only faking confidence etc, had his confidence hit by a lot of pressure, and folded.

I haven’t really got a firm conclusion here tbh which I’d really like to. I’m not 80% on him anyway.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 30 2023 09:02 GMT
#1438
On August 30 2023 17:51 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2023 17:45 marvellosity wrote:
I really don’t understand why anyone is suddenly sure TTT is town. Someone explain to me like I’m a toddler please.


tone around quitting and coming back.

As an aside It would be an incredibly messed up appeal to emotion in my opinion if he does that as mafia.

I have done something similar back in the day but it definitely isn’t in the wheelhouse for most people.

I also don’t think it’s in his wheelhouse tbh.

Why would it be messed up? You’re gonna have to humour me a little here.

Folds under pressure (or however you categorise it) then feels bad for it and comes back to play to help his team. What’s so outrageous? And by ‘his team’ I mean either mafia or town, it probably holds for both.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 30 2023 09:12 GMT
#1441
Yeah I’ve already spent too much work time here tbh. Will try to elaborate when I have time. Very roughly though:

iamp
DMB (vig reaction)
Vivax (reread him, not sure it’s like maf game)
DP
Koshi
math (least sure of placement)
Jakey
TTT
LS
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 30 2023 09:21 GMT
#1445
On August 30 2023 18:20 DarthPunk wrote:
Also ttt do you think that ls should be reading you town??

It’s a very odd read cause he usually goes along with thread sentiment.

You know I wanted to scumread LS for this but I struggled to as he’s actually pretty consistent with it over the course of the game
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 30 2023 09:55 GMT
#1448
On August 30 2023 18:49 Koshi wrote:
marv or iamp I will be filtering DP in 30 mins. If you are here for feedback that would be nice.
I know he is mafia and will prove it but too many people asking questions at work to do it during hours.

Can’t wait for this. I’ve not been able to distinguish his play from the other games (ergo he looks town to me), but I’m really not the DP whisperer either
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 30 2023 10:23 GMT
#1455
On August 30 2023 19:15 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Like I'm genuinely confused you're like why is ttt town also btw I've snuck my vote of him because I feel town(?) thinks hes town

What’s to be confused about? Was pretty clear I was reconsidering given new events. There was no sneaking, why are you trying to portray it as such?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 30 2023 11:11 GMT
#1467
On August 30 2023 19:46 Koshi wrote:
All the reasons DP is mafia:

1) DP was quite active part 1. In part 2 he wasn't there at the start which is a style break. But when he came in the thread, he came in swinging. Was this overcompensating for missing the first xx hours of the game?

1a) "You want to talk iamp meta?"
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2023 10:43 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 27 2023 06:40 Koshi wrote:
On August 27 2023 06:18 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 27 2023 05:56 Koshi wrote:
On August 27 2023 05:53 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 27 2023 05:50 Koshi wrote:
On August 27 2023 05:34 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 27 2023 05:25 Koshi wrote:
Dp/rayn/marv scumteam

##Vote DP

Why you voting DP? Also isn't it a little to early to form a scumteam?

Because it makes me happy.
Maybe yes, mayne no.

So no reason other than to make yourself happy?

Secret reasons that arzn't good enough to write down lol.
You want to talk iamp meta?

He hasn't made a lot posts so far but maybe slight differences from last game?

+1
Together we are 2


I made zero posts at this point (aside from a post saying I wasn't posting)

How are there slight differences from last game Koshi?

The difference is stark

Explained

and verifiable

the only thing that smells bad is trying to imply it's more than it is.

Why did DP misread this exchange?
Why did DP misread this 3-5 times because I taunt him after he made this comment.
Because he isn't reading and just looking for fights.

1b) "Are you for real with this Vivax?"
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2023 11:15 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 27 2023 11:01 Vivax wrote:
On August 27 2023 10:54 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 27 2023 10:53 Vivax wrote:
On August 27 2023 10:49 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 27 2023 10:34 Vivax wrote:
On August 27 2023 10:30 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 26 2023 20:06 Vivax wrote:
On August 26 2023 11:01 iamperfection wrote:
thank god. you know how depressed i was to get scum in the one game ill probably able to play all year


On August 26 2023 15:57 iamperfection wrote:
i just noticed jacob threw a random vote on marv for some reason. Not sure what to make of his play so far. Seems to be trying for max attention at the very least.


And while we're at it, we can add another joke to the mix. That first post and that iamp could have rolled scum again going by the second quote.

##Vote: iamperfection



Vivax why did those posts make you think Perfection was mafia?


This is an actually scummy question from you because I voted iamperfection before I talkes about the posts.

Are you deliberately ignoring the timeline ?


Can you clarify this? beacuse I might have missed something reading the thread all at once.


I got a slight feeling of fakeness from his ‚oh boy I sure am glad I didn‘t roll scum again‘ thing but it could admittedly also mean nothing at my present state of thoughts. As in, I‘m not married to my current vote.


OK that's fine.

Why do you think asking about it is scummy?


You didn‘t just ask about it. You made an assumption that I was in the process of scumreading him while confronting him about the typo while I had my vote on him from a previous reason.

I assumed that the typo stood in relation to said thread and he would have noticed it too.

And I think it‘s scummy because it stood out to you as the primary reason for me having a vote on him when it shouldn‘t appear that way if you read my filter in proper order.



Are you for real with this Vivax?

are you gaslighting me with this statement?!?

That was your first real post of this game, you literally hadn't talked about anything else until this post, and when I ask you why it is scummy, you say - I - am scummy for not reading your filter in proper order?

The typo had not been raised at this point in the game. It was your first post!


Show nested quote +
On August 27 2023 11:18 Vivax wrote:
I‘d put VE as town, probably.

DP as scum

Glad I didn‘t have a typo there

Show nested quote +
On August 27 2023 11:26 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 27 2023 11:21 Vivax wrote:
On August 27 2023 11:18 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 27 2023 11:18 Vivax wrote:
I‘d put VE as town, probably.

DP as scum

Glad I didn‘t have a typo there


Give reasons please.


You‘re just tunneling off a misrepresentation of the reason for why I chad voted iamperfection


What misrepresentation? state it explicitly please.

Because you voted him your first real post of the game.

I asked about this vote in that post.

You said I had not read your filter in the proper order and therefore, was scummy for asking.

But it was your FIRST POST OF THE GAME.

so what order was I supposed to read it in vivax?


So 30 mins after misreading my comment he goes into this weird fight with Vivax. Was it over the top? What triggered him? Maybe the Vivax vote on him? Why would a townie be so angry for that?

Who knows. But I know that after TTT attacked DP for it, DP said Vivax looked quite townie after all.
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2023 13:39 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 27 2023 13:34 TankTopTiger wrote:
It's tricky, I don't feel like this is how he acts as town or scum.

His misunderstanding assuming you were asking about the typo was NAI.
His caring about the typo at all to begin with was poor play but I know plenty of the people here read into similar BS.
His not understanding DMB was ???
His initial vote on Iamp was plausible as town opener although the reasoning was so bad it would have been better had he not given any reasons at all.

This whole time, I was half expecting you to be too keen after the headpats I gave you (out of game) for nailing Iamp in august 1.1. I can see you being overeager to perform the same feat again catching scum in what feels like the first 10 minutes, and accidentally browbeating a hapless townie into paste.

I don't think it's as locked down as you do. I'm guessing your confidence is 90+, mine is prob 60+. But he also passed one of my tests during that conversation. It might not be a good read, but based on his behaviour in Endures II, I expected him to fall into my wake if I offered him any form of protection. He reacted with hostility and pride which seems townier to me.


My confidence is not 90+

Im leaning town on him actually after all that.


What could have happened?
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2023 12:12 Vivax wrote:
On August 27 2023 12:10 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 27 2023 12:09 Vivax wrote:
On August 27 2023 12:08 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 27 2023 12:06 Vivax wrote:
On August 27 2023 12:04 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 27 2023 12:02 Vivax wrote:
On August 27 2023 11:56 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 27 2023 11:54 Vivax wrote:
[quote]

I think he‘s deflecting off having to explain why he was assuming that my scumread on you was driven by me doubting that you thought the typo was irrelevant, because by the placement and unlikelihood it was probably intentional.


How far away from each other are your f and m keys and the shift key?


I never said this anywhere.

Quote where I mention this vivax.

I'll wait.


You‘re correct, I assumed you meant the posts I was talking about at the time because I didn‘t read the quotes.

Fine then, whole lot of nothing from my part.
I failed to spot it. But your questions are answered, so what are we even talking about.

On my phone the f and r are far away and I don‘t use auto.


The same question I asked over and over and over.

What order should I have read your filter so that this post was not scummy:

On August 27 2023 10:30 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 26 2023 20:06 Vivax wrote:
On August 26 2023 11:01 iamperfection wrote:
thank god. you know how depressed i was to get scum in the one game ill probably able to play all year


On August 26 2023 15:57 iamperfection wrote:
i just noticed jacob threw a random vote on marv for some reason. Not sure what to make of his play so far. Seems to be trying for max attention at the very least.


And while we're at it, we can add another joke to the mix. That first post and that iamp could have rolled scum again going by the second quote.

##Vote: iamperfection



Vivax why did those posts make you think Perfection was mafia?





I made the wrong assumption here considering that I was mentally engaged with another topic when you asked me about a former one.

You interceded between me and iamp so it occurred that way.


OK, to be clear, you thought it was scummy because you made an assumption based on not reading the post properly.



Yes.


So why are you still voting for me?


##Unvote

I prefer to read and change vote when I find a more suitable one.


Coincidence? I think not.

So far this looks like a case of DP being DP. When you’re done can you please summarise in text why it’s DP being mafia instead of being DP?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 30 2023 11:13 GMT
#1468
On August 30 2023 19:56 DarthPunk wrote:
Anyway I’m not going to really be able to defend myself much. Because , as I stated earlier I have work stuff on tomorrow and my jet lagged girlfriend wants some sleep now without phone posting.

So if I get lynched here it’s unfortunate.

But lynch koshi afterwards when I flip town please.

He basically is claiming scum at me or he is a legit c-tier town player

Either way must die.

LS/koshi/math is a good place to look.



Either way? Really DP? It’s literally a townie’s entire job to make this distinction
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 30 2023 11:15 GMT
#1469
##vote:LS
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 30 2023 12:57 GMT
#1491
On August 30 2023 20:29 TankTopTiger wrote:
Marv trying to lynch LS. Hmmmmm...

I understand and agree somewhat, but don't feel it's enough to confirm him town.

Since when?

Or if I’m misunderstanding, why?

Choose the question that’s appropriate to what you were saying
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 30 2023 13:00 GMT
#1493
On August 30 2023 21:20 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2023 18:12 marvellosity wrote:
Yeah I’ve already spent too much work time here tbh. Will try to elaborate when I have time. Very roughly though:

iamp
DMB (vig reaction)
Vivax (reread him, not sure it’s like maf game)
DP
Koshi
math (least sure of placement)
Jakey
TTT
LS


I forgot that the vig has only one shot.
Thinking of somebody who can shoot more than one time maybe explain for you my dumb reaction.

You don’t have to explain yourself any further, unless you’re unhappy with the townread on you for it?
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