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On August 28 2023 19:04 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 18:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You're clearly talking to me like i am town, don't even try to deny it. Have I had a day. I'll get on PC in a bit and do proper diving but dp is playing like he knows too much ngl. I've had a consistent vibe read that he's mafia the whole game even though he is activity high and posting and doing trad town stuff which is useful. I'll have to actually do a proper read though and find out but long story short I'm back in the thread
I want to hear more about this please?
When I’m reconsidering my d1 leans you’re slap bang in the middle because I don’t really have a problem with your posting but I don’t have many clear townie signs either.
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Downgrading town lean on Vivax also. Chez called out iamp and Vivax saying ‘they should know better’. Think iamp is town though. Skimmed Vivax’s filter v quickly and I’m not sure there’s anything in there he couldn’t do as mafia
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On August 28 2023 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 21:10 marvellosity wrote:
Downgrading town lean on Vivax also. Chez called out iamp and Vivax saying ‘they should know better’. Think iamp is town though. Skimmed Vivax’s filter v quickly and I’m not sure there’s anything in there he couldn’t do as mafia no, vivax is town,
Why
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On August 28 2023 21:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 21:10 marvellosity wrote:On August 28 2023 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 28 2023 21:10 marvellosity wrote:
Downgrading town lean on Vivax also. Chez called out iamp and Vivax saying ‘they should know better’. Think iamp is town though. Skimmed Vivax’s filter v quickly and I’m not sure there’s anything in there he couldn’t do as mafia no, vivax is town, Why he went to an argument he didnt have to and pushed it for a lifetime...
Easy win for a mafia Vivax?
Listen, I’m not saying it’s the likeliest possibility. But I’d say game 2 definitely showed he can do his more… whimsical/crazy points of view as mafia, not just town.
Feels like an east win to push a stupid argument to the limit. If hesmafia, what’s the downside? The upside is very clearly the sort of read you have on him. But is it so hard to just argue…
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DP, can you (re) summarise your math points please?
I’ve gone back over his filter. It’s not stacked but at the same time there’s several points I just feel ‘natural, natural, natural’
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Also I want your EOD vote switching thesis, I’m genuinely interested 
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On August 28 2023 10:45 TankTopTiger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 10:40 die_meatbaby wrote:On August 28 2023 10:25 TankTopTiger wrote:
If you're standing by everything you've said in this exchange, I don't see a way for a green DP to keep that all in his head at once. Still won't vote for you D1, as I think that only takes votes off Chez and does not put any meaningful votes on you.
But yeah I'm pretty sure you're mafia if you're claiming to actually believe this stuff. This is what I meant. This is what makes you red. Town TTT would not do that. Town TTT would ignore this und would try to get everybody to go the his original suspect and don´t just suspect somebody who was suspecting him. This is definitely not a Town game you make here. Thats not TTT what i am used do DMB, everyone is already on my lynch. There is no need to refocus town because unless something changes, I get my way. Regarding the OMGUS, yes it is in a way, but it's not just that. Town DP doesn't do this. DP respects my late game after Endures I, he made up my aptitude in early game. Town DP does not think that "D1 is when you first post". Town DP does not give up town equity on a scaler over them not having proven themselves early in the game. You'll note I'm not filtering DP rn. I'm not making a huge war. I'm in a back and forth because I want to get him to take hard stances that he can't take back later if/when I actually go after him.
No one was though…
Also, generally, why is TTT treating DP with kiddie gloves? He was more than happy to tunnel (town) marv to oblivion in game 1 for a lot less
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On August 28 2023 21:22 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 18:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
"His vote is on someone who is suspicious of the other person he’s suspicious of, based on a rule he’s warning his vote target that people take seriously (although he doesn’t but also does) except no one else is taking it seriously."
Yeah I understand this, its not as clear cut as you make it out to be in my opinion.
This is my quote btw. Somewhere somehow the quotes got mixed up
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On August 28 2023 21:25 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 27 2023 21:55 DarthPunk wrote:On August 27 2023 21:40 marvellosity wrote:On August 27 2023 21:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 27 2023 21:23 die_meatbaby wrote:On August 27 2023 21:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I didn think Vivax was trolling too much last game, and definitely didnt "just" post nonsensical stuff. he avoided having conversation with his teammates as well. For me it's to early to see him as red Vivax has had a comverdation basically with iamperfection and DP this game. If he is not mafia with these people fie, but how can you use that "not hving conversations with his scum partners" as a basis of a read(?), whe he hasnt basically talked with 10 otherppl? It’s indeed a very strange post. There’s reasons for him to be either alignment, but that isn’t one of them Isn't she clearly talking about last game? She is saying, 1.) last game he also avoided speaking with his team mates. in addition to trolling etc. and 2.) Its too early to see him as red. So she isn't using it as a basis for a read. bad Also I don't think being open to different perspectives on posts that are written by people not speaking their native language is bad, I think it is kind, and inclusive. You do realize you have called me bad and mafia every game that we have played this year, right? and in exactly zero of these games have I been bad or mafia. Something to reflect on.
Well, zero games were you mafia, anyway
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On August 28 2023 21:27 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 20:32 marvellosity wrote:On August 28 2023 11:25 DarthPunk wrote:On August 28 2023 11:23 JacobStrangelove wrote:
I honestly don't get the math and ttt reads tbh. Can you spell out the cases in one place for clarity? Read my big post. but yeah I will summarise later. I am supposed to be working after all. Something to consider: 2 townies on the Math wagon, the lack of traction there is interesting to me. The lack of traction on the math wagon is because he doesn’t look scummy enough for there to be traction… He looks bad to me tho. Do you think he is town?
Yes
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On August 28 2023 03:36 mathenalin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 03:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 28 2023 03:25 mathenalin wrote:On August 28 2023 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
mathenalin, around 10 hours ago you said you were prioritizing getting a read on iamp and Jacob. I see you formed a read on iamp but there is no mention in your filter about Jacob (even after you talked with DP about your reads -- so it doesn't fall under "if anyone has questions for me" anymore i guess).
Did you ever form a read on Jacob? I'd say i don't like him but i cant point to anything as, thats scum behaviour. His point about dp following rules and iamp being "on point" was silly. His vote on marv being anything other than a joke. Then talking about voting chez but immediately calling it a "pressure" vote which instantly makes it lose power.I'd lynch him and not lose sleep but i cant form a slam dunk case. I find it quite weird you treat this as anti-town behavior for some reasons: 1) Every vote particularly during D1 is "pressure", since noone has a good clue who is mafia (especially seems to be true this game since nobody really seems to have a even remotely good case they trust. 2) You said yourself, before voting for Chezinu, at twice, that pressure on Chezinu is good and should be kept up. Why did you say that while simultaneously claiming if you announce pressure it loses power over the target? Well i tried to pretend I had a reason
You and I seem to have different impressions of this post (as a prime example), DP
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On August 28 2023 21:33 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 20:42 marvellosity wrote:On August 28 2023 16:28 DarthPunk wrote:On August 28 2023 16:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So DP tried to make people switch votes by first alienating TTT then asking him to switch with DP. Good times. For me, vote swapping at the end is only secondarily about changing the lynch. I have a whole theory behind it if you are interested I’ll post it later when I have a pc Yes, I’d like to see this DP One of (rather, the only) the problems with Grack hosting is I always miss the important hours before deadline… sad times Basically, I think most scum players have a really tough time adapting to rapidly changing dynamics, particularly around lynches. They have to coordinate, their plans are all mixed up, they have to consider how they will maintain a consistent narrative on their vote etc. etc. Scum often are reluctant to vote and unvote without saying stuff, or providing a reason which can cause them to state things that are just too far out of other peoples lens on the game. It spews a massive amount of information into the thread and forces people to take positions. Basically all this stuff really helps solve the game for town. Also it puts people on edge so that often, if someone looks really townie suddenly, there is the ability to switch off. Now look, if there is a slam dunk case (such as the one on you in endures 1  ) i don;t do it, tend not to later in the game, but at the start absolutely.
Yeah tbh most of this sounds right to me. I’m sure 95% of ninja votes come from town
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On August 28 2023 21:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 28 2023 20:46 marvellosity wrote:On August 28 2023 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Chezinu was, tbh, so townie in the end. Yeah there was sincerity. I also feel VE’s posts were sincere even though they were useless. It doesn’t look like maf-VE defending himself tbh. Almost /because/ the posts were useless. That dumb fist bump post… I think that’s great play if he is indeed mafia… to drop that basically in total isolation? Was I lynching him for being bad after all? Completely different defence on him this time (I’m bad) vs last time (I’m just so right about vivax guys!!!) No. (i get to do this now) fucking disagree on every level.
We can argue about this tomorrow (possibly)
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On August 28 2023 21:37 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i have to sleep before work.
VE/LS/TTT/DP.
For now i think it doesnt get harder than that. Look for what it's worth these are all very nebulous I agree. VE has like no reads at all in the entire day one. Looking forward to some tonight hopefully given he's got the day to save himself after not being lynched.
This is the balanced viewpoint here.
I understand rayn hates the pass I’m giving VE currently, but that’s what it is, a pass, not a hard townread. It needs to be backed up too
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On August 28 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 21:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 28 2023 21:38 marvellosity wrote:On August 28 2023 21:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 28 2023 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 28 2023 20:46 marvellosity wrote:On August 28 2023 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Chezinu was, tbh, so townie in the end. Yeah there was sincerity. I also feel VE’s posts were sincere even though they were useless. It doesn’t look like maf-VE defending himself tbh. Almost /because/ the posts were useless. That dumb fist bump post… I think that’s great play if he is indeed mafia… to drop that basically in total isolation? Was I lynching him for being bad after all? Completely different defence on him this time (I’m bad) vs last time (I’m just so right about vivax guys!!!) No. (i get to do this now) fucking disagree on every level. We can argue about this tomorrow (possibly) i dont believe it. he is too god for it. its like he would have to be very bad to even make any posts he did as town, and he still made those, it's just scum written all over the place, i dont care if it is like "oh would he do this as mafia as it is stupid", it is more like would he do this as town, and no. It's so fucking stupid no. Rayn, you tend to get caught up on this stuff, like the technical points or mistakes that people should never make, but people are flawed, everyone makes mistakes or is bad sometimes, that doesn't mean they are objectively bad or mafia every time that happens. Yes, sometimes it is meaningful, but you need to determine the meaning behind it. In this case, I tend to believe he just held both thoughts without considering that they need to be consistent, something I actually think comes from town, as they don't care about being consistent as much. They just want to solve the game.
Although I have defended VE, I don’t agree with this defence. I think consistent thoughts come more naturally from town, because, well, it’s natural. It’s not normal to hold contradictory thoughts (certainly without explicitly realising them) as town, because it doesn’t make sense of the game.
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On August 28 2023 21:56 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2023 21:52 marvellosity wrote:On August 28 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote:On August 28 2023 21:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 28 2023 21:38 marvellosity wrote:On August 28 2023 21:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 28 2023 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 28 2023 20:46 marvellosity wrote:On August 28 2023 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Chezinu was, tbh, so townie in the end. Yeah there was sincerity. I also feel VE’s posts were sincere even though they were useless. It doesn’t look like maf-VE defending himself tbh. Almost /because/ the posts were useless. That dumb fist bump post… I think that’s great play if he is indeed mafia… to drop that basically in total isolation? Was I lynching him for being bad after all? Completely different defence on him this time (I’m bad) vs last time (I’m just so right about vivax guys!!!) No. (i get to do this now) fucking disagree on every level. We can argue about this tomorrow (possibly) i dont believe it. he is too god for it. its like he would have to be very bad to even make any posts he did as town, and he still made those, it's just scum written all over the place, i dont care if it is like "oh would he do this as mafia as it is stupid", it is more like would he do this as town, and no. It's so fucking stupid no. Rayn, you tend to get caught up on this stuff, like the technical points or mistakes that people should never make, but people are flawed, everyone makes mistakes or is bad sometimes, that doesn't mean they are objectively bad or mafia every time that happens. Yes, sometimes it is meaningful, but you need to determine the meaning behind it. In this case, I tend to believe he just held both thoughts without considering that they need to be consistent, something I actually think comes from town, as they don't care about being consistent as much. They just want to solve the game. Although I have defended VE, I don’t agree with this defence. I think consistent thoughts come more naturally from town, because, well, it’s natural. It’s not normal to hold contradictory thoughts (certainly without explicitly realising them) as town, because it doesn’t make sense of the game. You don't think you can consider two people as scum who are calling each other scum and have that be consistent? Rayn is doing it right now with me and TTT.
It’s not the same though
Nor is he at ‘I’m voting you now’ level which is a significant difference
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On August 28 2023 22:00 DarthPunk wrote:
ill try and develop the Mathenalin case a bit more while you are here marv.
👍 should be off and on all day, not got work, but got a partner who wants us to enjoy our time off together or something weird like that…
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On August 28 2023 22:13 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2023 22:55 iamperfection wrote:
So my thoughts currently are that DP is likely town. I have less of a town read on Vivax but some of his posts have been so absurd i don't think it can be from a scum so less likely but town.
Rayn has been okish imo and has some similar opinions that i have so i would say green if pressed.
Marv has been somewhat passive so i would have him as dark grey if that makes sense. He has some good comments at points but i would expect that from him from either alignment.
Jacob is grey as well but im leaning more on the green side he seems to have at least intrest in lynching someone at least.
Chez has been useless
Koshi has been useless as well i would be fine with him out.
VE has been extremely useless and i see no posts with intent to try and figure out peoples alignments i think he is likely scum. He has one post where he says chez ill be watching you which comes off as unauthentic to me i would like to lynch him. I would most like to lynch him at the moment.
There are other people in the game too but i don't have opinions yet.
im voting ve Translates to: My scumread on VE was actually a lot more fleshed out but I decided to push Chez harder and Vivax played along on the way.
What’s his angle though? If VE is mafia and iamp is mafia, why did iamp go after him early and hard in the first place? If iamp is mafia and VE is town, what’s the value in going for Chez instead?
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