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CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 14 2023 11:35 GMT
#1961
Idk which other games chezinu has been mafia, but that is one of the games I’ll never forget.

LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 14 2023 11:39 GMT
#1962
I am aware of that TTT. Still think you are mafia and same with Chez but I am lost on my 3rd. Will have to do deeper investigations for that but to tired for it at the moment but I still think someone who was active End of Day 1 is mafia given how that lynch happened.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 14 2023 11:41 GMT
#1963
Like if I am wrong on you TTT it will have someone active still active End of Day 1 because of how that lynch went.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 14 2023 11:47 GMT
#1964
Who is mafia?

Weak red Rayn (to be expanded upon/confirmed). I did look over his filter and in isolation I don't see what I was seeing early game. He's been cruising since CCgate with the exception of TTTantrumgate when he was fighting DP. I don't understand his vote on Chez or why he switched off so quickly. He's been misreading me a lot and it's super frustrating, and so I haven't really engaged with him because it feels like he wants me to be mafia.

Red CC (stale)
LS I'm just treating as grey even if my vibe read is not at all the same as others vibe reading him

I think chez is possible based on gamestate but I don't read his posts until there's a good reason to because I consider it a waste of time.

I don't have strong feelings about MZ or vivax, but that puts them as light green by default given how much they've posted without any alarms going off for me.

Slam is another I genuinely don't understand the green read on. It feels like people just decided it. He feels different to last game (emptier) but he also got caught last game, partially for having too full of a filter. I wouldn't read him red per se but I feel like he's taken a step back from last game.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 14 2023 11:53 GMT
#1965
The read above doesn't take into consideration the lynch which I've yet to really look at. For me, this pushes all of them a little further red, and everyone off my wagon a little further green. When I've got time, I want to go over it because I can probably get some town reads from seeing who had the option to swap onto me but didn't considering there was only one vote in it.

But this doesn't really mean much for you guys because you don't know I'm green. When/if I die, this information might be relevant.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
June 14 2023 11:58 GMT
#1966
On June 14 2023 20:53 TankTopTiger wrote:
The read above doesn't take into consideration the lynch which I've yet to really look at. For me, this pushes all of them a little further red, and everyone off my wagon a little further green. When I've got time, I want to go over it because I can probably get some town reads from seeing who had the option to swap onto me but didn't considering there was only one vote in it.

But this doesn't really mean much for you guys because you don't know I'm green. When/if I die, this information might be relevant.


Why is everyone not lynching more green when they lynched another townie?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
June 14 2023 11:58 GMT
#1967
On June 14 2023 20:47 TankTopTiger wrote:
Who is mafia?

Weak red Rayn (to be expanded upon/confirmed). I did look over his filter and in isolation I don't see what I was seeing early game. He's been cruising since CCgate with the exception of TTTantrumgate when he was fighting DP. I don't understand his vote on Chez or why he switched off so quickly. He's been misreading me a lot and it's super frustrating, and so I haven't really engaged with him because it feels like he wants me to be mafia.

Red CC (stale)
LS I'm just treating as grey even if my vibe read is not at all the same as others vibe reading him

I think chez is possible based on gamestate but I don't read his posts until there's a good reason to because I consider it a waste of time.

I don't have strong feelings about MZ or vivax, but that puts them as light green by default given how much they've posted without any alarms going off for me.

Slam is another I genuinely don't understand the green read on. It feels like people just decided it. He feels different to last game (emptier) but he also got caught last game, partially for having too full of a filter. I wouldn't read him red per se but I feel like he's taken a step back from last game.


What about Marv?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 14 2023 12:14 GMT
#1968
Can I ask how dangerous Hap is as a town? It sounded like he was respected but he wasn't getting the dick-riding treatment like e.g. Marv.

Strong town but weak scum?

I know NK wifom, but I think each player sort of has a range of people they NK. If I was scum, I would have gone after Rayn/Marv/DP because I don't know Hap or what he's capable of. I get the sense that there's a narrative surrounding the stronger players that more sheepy players would be submerged in and glued to. I think people also remove the threats they know. So I think the strongest player on the scum team is someone who has played with Hap before and respects his town game enough to consider it as much of a threat as Rayn/DP/marv. Someone discerning and confident. I think this points once more to one of Marv/Rayn/DP, but maybe others, I don't know the history of other players.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 14 2023 12:16 GMT
#1969
On June 14 2023 20:58 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 20:53 TankTopTiger wrote:
The read above doesn't take into consideration the lynch which I've yet to really look at. For me, this pushes all of them a little further red, and everyone off my wagon a little further green. When I've got time, I want to go over it because I can probably get some town reads from seeing who had the option to swap onto me but didn't considering there was only one vote in it.

But this doesn't really mean much for you guys because you don't know I'm green. When/if I die, this information might be relevant.


Why is everyone not lynching more green when they lynched another townie?


Because I think my perceived value as a town is higher than the perceived value of Vayo as town, as discussed with MZ.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 14 2023 12:24 GMT
#1970
Hapa’s a strong town player. Honestly can’t remember how he mafs
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 14 2023 12:25 GMT
#1971
On June 14 2023 20:58 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 20:47 TankTopTiger wrote:
Who is mafia?

Weak red Rayn (to be expanded upon/confirmed). I did look over his filter and in isolation I don't see what I was seeing early game. He's been cruising since CCgate with the exception of TTTantrumgate when he was fighting DP. I don't understand his vote on Chez or why he switched off so quickly. He's been misreading me a lot and it's super frustrating, and so I haven't really engaged with him because it feels like he wants me to be mafia.

Red CC (stale)
LS I'm just treating as grey even if my vibe read is not at all the same as others vibe reading him

I think chez is possible based on gamestate but I don't read his posts until there's a good reason to because I consider it a waste of time.

I don't have strong feelings about MZ or vivax, but that puts them as light green by default given how much they've posted without any alarms going off for me.

Slam is another I genuinely don't understand the green read on. It feels like people just decided it. He feels different to last game (emptier) but he also got caught last game, partially for having too full of a filter. I wouldn't read him red per se but I feel like he's taken a step back from last game.


What about Marv?


Marv townish but haven't really kept up. I like that he's butthurt about getting mislynched last game. I like that he's actually evaluating me based on what he perceives as my limitations (based on that butthurt ). He could have eeeassssilly killed me D2 and he would have probably felt good doing it but he didn't.

It just makes sense to me. But this is vibe level read so light green.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 14 2023 12:26 GMT
#1972
I should be annoyed by that analysis but it’s too close
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
June 14 2023 12:31 GMT
#1973
On June 14 2023 21:14 TankTopTiger wrote:
Can I ask how dangerous Hap is as a town? It sounded like he was respected but he wasn't getting the dick-riding treatment like e.g. Marv.

Strong town but weak scum?

I know NK wifom, but I think each player sort of has a range of people they NK. If I was scum, I would have gone after Rayn/Marv/DP because I don't know Hap or what he's capable of. I get the sense that there's a narrative surrounding the stronger players that more sheepy players would be submerged in and glued to. I think people also remove the threats they know. So I think the strongest player on the scum team is someone who has played with Hap before and respects his town game enough to consider it as much of a threat as Rayn/DP/marv. Someone discerning and confident. I think this points once more to one of Marv/Rayn/DP, but maybe others, I don't know the history of other players.


Hapa strong town weak maf when I played. Worse than Marv. This was a long time ago.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 14 2023 12:31 GMT
#1974
If you want marv, after this game I would be interested in reviewing what you said that I ignored game 1. As much as I make fun of you, my tunnel on you whiffing did me psychological damage. I felt gaslit by reality tbh.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 14 2023 12:33 GMT
#1975
Okay the NK makes a lot of sense then. Who of MZ/vivax/Chez/CC/LS/Slam would be aware of this Hap meta?
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
June 14 2023 12:34 GMT
#1976
On June 14 2023 21:33 TankTopTiger wrote:
Okay the NK makes a lot of sense then. Who of MZ/vivax/Chez/CC/LS/Slam would be aware of this Hap meta?


All of them probably
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 14 2023 12:35 GMT
#1977
Okay well then... I guess that deadends that line of thinking then. Thanks anyway.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 14 2023 12:47 GMT
#1978
On June 14 2023 21:31 TankTopTiger wrote:
If you want marv, after this game I would be interested in reviewing what you said that I ignored game 1. As much as I make fun of you, my tunnel on you whiffing did me psychological damage. I felt gaslit by reality tbh.

See the link that I gave rayn in this game (the LS stuff you swore blind you caught me in a lie)
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 14 2023 13:12 GMT
#1979
Yeah it was tricky with that. I tried really hard to make you answer the question in a non-ambiguous way, because your original statement was unclear. I'd decided before you answered my question (I remember trading you 1 for 1) that if you confirmed my interpretation I would tunnel you to death. I think you claimed that after you confirmed my interpretation that you hadn't actually read it or something like that and I was already committed and in a hyper-focused mindset. Oh well, I'll look back over it after this game.

I'm off to bed. Chances are I won't be back until NK+5. I'm not worried it's me so no night post and I've already dropped my list anyway.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
June 14 2023 13:16 GMT
#1980
TTT on this page seems like another person
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