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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 13 2023 22:16 GMT
#1701
I don't really think Vayo's answers are scummy.
table for two on a tv tray
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
June 13 2023 22:17 GMT
#1702
This is the moment. Has town made a lynch between two mafia where TTT is a goon and Vay is the roleblocker. It would be so special. Even got to say Save yourself TTT.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 22:22 GMT
#1703
On June 14 2023 06:00 Vayoletta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 14 2023 05:23 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 14 2023 04:10 Vayoletta wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I feel like TTT tunneling Copcake is a deliberate way to control the threadstate by a wolf.

The wolves feel like they are in a comfortable position because I'm town here and the elim is getting directed to me. By pushing the thread into tunneling Copcake would create an atmosphere where wolves are able to sip martinis in peace as marvellosity and MZ get a pass.


This post in particular is bullshit since the wagon on Vayo formed after ttt stopped posting.

Trying to over explain a read backflip imo.

Vayoletta elaborate please.


It's true that I became a wagon only after TTT stopped posting, but the timing of when I became a wagon does not matter. Reading early/mid D2 it was quite clear that I was becoming a wagon. Everyone expressed varying levels of suspicion towards me and if the D2 discussion would be inconclusive, the elim would likely just default to me.

Tunneling and focusing on Copcake would have most likely resulted in that scenario.


He has been focused on cupcake day one though when you were t a wagon so this still doesn’t make sense
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 22:31 GMT
#1704
On June 14 2023 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 06:17 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:01 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is MZ less likely to be mafia than marv?


Is this to me? I ranked from most wolfy to least wolfy, so MZ is wolfier in that list.

Okay then the other way around, why is marv more likely to be mafia than Vivax?
You realise aside from marv's read on you and vice versa, you are both entertaining the same scum team (Chezinu + TTT)?


Hapahauli's read on MZ makes him the clearest wolf on my wagon, but I do reckon that's wifom.

I also think that Marvel voting me makes sense with his progression, so that also takes him above MZ here.

Yes i can see that but why marv mafia over Vivax?


Vivax does not feel paired with TTT here who is my biggest suspect due to his handling of me. I could be wrong on this read though.

Why do you townread Vivax?
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 22:37 GMT
#1705
On June 14 2023 07:31 Vayoletta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:17 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:01 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is MZ less likely to be mafia than marv?


Is this to me? I ranked from most wolfy to least wolfy, so MZ is wolfier in that list.

Okay then the other way around, why is marv more likely to be mafia than Vivax?
You realise aside from marv's read on you and vice versa, you are both entertaining the same scum team (Chezinu + TTT)?


Hapahauli's read on MZ makes him the clearest wolf on my wagon, but I do reckon that's wifom.

I also think that Marvel voting me makes sense with his progression, so that also takes him above MZ here.

Yes i can see that but why marv mafia over Vivax?


Vivax does not feel paired with TTT here who is my biggest suspect due to his handling of me. I could be wrong on this read though.

Why do you townread Vivax?


What specifically did ttt do regarding you to move from light green, (seemingly your last position before the next post in which you voted him) to dark red?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 22:37 GMT
#1706
On June 14 2023 07:22 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 06:00 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 14 2023 05:23 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 14 2023 04:10 Vayoletta wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I feel like TTT tunneling Copcake is a deliberate way to control the threadstate by a wolf.

The wolves feel like they are in a comfortable position because I'm town here and the elim is getting directed to me. By pushing the thread into tunneling Copcake would create an atmosphere where wolves are able to sip martinis in peace as marvellosity and MZ get a pass.


This post in particular is bullshit since the wagon on Vayo formed after ttt stopped posting.

Trying to over explain a read backflip imo.

Vayoletta elaborate please.


It's true that I became a wagon only after TTT stopped posting, but the timing of when I became a wagon does not matter. Reading early/mid D2 it was quite clear that I was becoming a wagon. Everyone expressed varying levels of suspicion towards me and if the D2 discussion would be inconclusive, the elim would likely just default to me.

Tunneling and focusing on Copcake would have most likely resulted in that scenario.


He has been focused on cupcake day one though when you were t a wagon so this still doesn’t make sense


TTT has had opportunuties to take a broader look of the game multiple times, yet he has decided to tunnel CC again.

Go and see how many times TTT has talked about me in his posts. Can’t tell a single example from the top of my mind.

He has avoided talking about me even though he is heavily suspected to be w/w with me by quite many people.

I don’t see the tunnel coming from town here. He’s hoping I get eliminated while he keeps his hands on CC tunnel to not look too involved - the idea of being paired with me is something that suits him and is the reason why he’d play like this as wolf.

Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 22:40 GMT
#1707
On June 14 2023 07:37 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 07:31 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:17 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:01 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is MZ less likely to be mafia than marv?


Is this to me? I ranked from most wolfy to least wolfy, so MZ is wolfier in that list.

Okay then the other way around, why is marv more likely to be mafia than Vivax?
You realise aside from marv's read on you and vice versa, you are both entertaining the same scum team (Chezinu + TTT)?


Hapahauli's read on MZ makes him the clearest wolf on my wagon, but I do reckon that's wifom.

I also think that Marvel voting me makes sense with his progression, so that also takes him above MZ here.

Yes i can see that but why marv mafia over Vivax?


Vivax does not feel paired with TTT here who is my biggest suspect due to his handling of me. I could be wrong on this read though.

Why do you townread Vivax?


What specifically did ttt do regarding you to move from light green, (seemingly your last position before the next post in which you voted him) to dark red?


It’s not really what he did, but rather what he didn’t do - he has not shown any concern on people suspecting him and me being paired.

His positioning in tunneling CC feels like a refuge for a wolf who expects me to go down in a landslide this EoD - a conclusion wolves could expect from the early/mid D2.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 22:41 GMT
#1708
I don’t think rayn is paired with TTT unless it’s exactly with Marvellosity as otherwise rayn would push his one w in Vayo/Marvellosity take.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 22:43 GMT
#1709
On June 14 2023 07:37 Vayoletta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 07:22 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:00 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 14 2023 05:23 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 14 2023 04:10 Vayoletta wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I feel like TTT tunneling Copcake is a deliberate way to control the threadstate by a wolf.

The wolves feel like they are in a comfortable position because I'm town here and the elim is getting directed to me. By pushing the thread into tunneling Copcake would create an atmosphere where wolves are able to sip martinis in peace as marvellosity and MZ get a pass.


This post in particular is bullshit since the wagon on Vayo formed after ttt stopped posting.

Trying to over explain a read backflip imo.

Vayoletta elaborate please.


It's true that I became a wagon only after TTT stopped posting, but the timing of when I became a wagon does not matter. Reading early/mid D2 it was quite clear that I was becoming a wagon. Everyone expressed varying levels of suspicion towards me and if the D2 discussion would be inconclusive, the elim would likely just default to me.

Tunneling and focusing on Copcake would have most likely resulted in that scenario.


He has been focused on cupcake day one though when you were t a wagon so this still doesn’t make sense


TTT has had opportunuties to take a broader look of the game multiple times, yet he has decided to tunnel CC again.

Go and see how many times TTT has talked about me in his posts. Can’t tell a single example from the top of my mind.

He has avoided talking about me even though he is heavily suspected to be w/w with me by quite many people.

I don’t see the tunnel coming from town here. He’s hoping I get eliminated while he keeps his hands on CC tunnel to not look too involved - the idea of being paired with me is something that suits him and is the reason why he’d play like this as wolf.



Is this the reason you scum read him? Cause he is not talking about you?

He defended you from a mislynch if you are town. Does that not count. In his last post he talks about making you talk about how your reads are formed.

That’s talking about you.

And the more I dig into your reads the more I’m like ?????
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 22:43 GMT
#1710
Have you played this game a lot Vayo?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 22:49 GMT
#1711
On June 14 2023 07:43 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 07:37 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 07:22 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:00 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 14 2023 05:23 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 14 2023 04:10 Vayoletta wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I feel like TTT tunneling Copcake is a deliberate way to control the threadstate by a wolf.

The wolves feel like they are in a comfortable position because I'm town here and the elim is getting directed to me. By pushing the thread into tunneling Copcake would create an atmosphere where wolves are able to sip martinis in peace as marvellosity and MZ get a pass.


This post in particular is bullshit since the wagon on Vayo formed after ttt stopped posting.

Trying to over explain a read backflip imo.

Vayoletta elaborate please.


It's true that I became a wagon only after TTT stopped posting, but the timing of when I became a wagon does not matter. Reading early/mid D2 it was quite clear that I was becoming a wagon. Everyone expressed varying levels of suspicion towards me and if the D2 discussion would be inconclusive, the elim would likely just default to me.

Tunneling and focusing on Copcake would have most likely resulted in that scenario.


He has been focused on cupcake day one though when you were t a wagon so this still doesn’t make sense


TTT has had opportunuties to take a broader look of the game multiple times, yet he has decided to tunnel CC again.

Go and see how many times TTT has talked about me in his posts. Can’t tell a single example from the top of my mind.

He has avoided talking about me even though he is heavily suspected to be w/w with me by quite many people.

I don’t see the tunnel coming from town here. He’s hoping I get eliminated while he keeps his hands on CC tunnel to not look too involved - the idea of being paired with me is something that suits him and is the reason why he’d play like this as wolf.



Is this the reason you scum read him? Cause he is not talking about you?

He defended you from a mislynch if you are town. Does that not count. In his last post he talks about making you talk about how your reads are formed.

That’s talking about you.

And the more I dig into your reads the more I’m like ?????


He defended me on D1, but like look at his behaviour on D2. Quote coming in next post as I’m on mobile.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 22:55 GMT
#1712
On June 12 2023 12:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
A bit disorganised at this point, reading through all the posts since #30 atm, I'm up to #53 so I'm biased towards happenings within that frame.

I just spent a lot of time inside my head on you DP. Real spooky. I thought that a red DP would see the difference between DMB last game and this game, and know it meant blue. Then they could lead the mislynch, but have meta from previous game on leading mislynches. Bonus points for backing away from it at the last minute by reading them green (ad lib). But it was Rayn that pointed you in that direction, so that play doesn't work out unless redDP is very fortunate and just had this play fall into his lap (I don't think Rayn's suggestion was red at all). There were some other things. Your reactions have felt artificial twice to me - one was in response to CC, can't remember the other. You being onboard with policy feels irrational but I'm not actually sure on your position on that and WW may have softened you up.
But overall it's too much reach, so I'm back to treating you as green based on the overall pro-townliness of your play. Your read on me is exactly what I would expect and I can't argue against it. I'm not as engaged in poor information environments.

Rayn is green.

LS is weird because I think he decided at the start of the game that he was going to play differently and so my main reason for giving him the benefit of the doubt feels artificial. Someone said at some point that he feels very in the moment and I agree with that. He also seems to come across as artificial whenever he thinks he should be providing an anger response (congruent with autism claim). So I sort of just want to leave him and see where he takes it for now.

I still see CC as red. I don't really want to engage with her because she counter-tunnels and shits up the thread leaving everyone confused. I don't think there's anything she could say that would change my mind, but she also hasn't really done anything since that alleviates or intensifies my suspicion. The read is stale but it's still my firmest read.

Overall, I think town have been eating town a lot, but also in many directions. This sort of environment is something I wanted at the start of the game (not the TvT thing, but the diversity of opinions thing as opposed to last game which felt sychophantic to me from many). This pushes me in the direction of thinking that mafia are more passive, so toward Vayo, Marv, and Slam.


Like, this is the amount of attention TTT gives to me. Grouped up together with two other players. These players are because he’s ”pushed into direction of thinking wolves are more passive”. Even the worldly language here is vague and non-committing.

He says he suspects me, but had very little reaction to being paired with me.

TTT’s handling of me on D2 is not result of a towny agenda.
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 22:55 GMT
#1713
On June 14 2023 07:43 DarthPunk wrote:
Have you played this game a lot Vayo?


Yaas, especially live. Played games in Finnish like a long time ago.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
June 13 2023 23:02 GMT
#1714
On June 14 2023 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean like especially TTT's last game D2 was really amazing, he considers new evidence and comes to very reasonable and correct conclusions. This game is like he downgraded himself like 50 levels.


Why though ? Do you have the information to be the judge of that ?
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 23:03 GMT
#1715
Like, DP, if rayn, Slam and Vivax all came into the thread with the worldview that you’d fit well as my scumpartner? What would you instinctively do?
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 13 2023 23:04 GMT
#1716
I am so bad with irl. My body language betrays me.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
June 13 2023 23:08 GMT
#1717
On June 14 2023 08:04 CopCake wrote:
I am so bad with irl. My body language betrays me.

What type of CopCake are you?

Are you a cake?

Or

Are you the cake's cop?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 13 2023 23:09 GMT
#1718
On June 14 2023 08:02 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean like especially TTT's last game D2 was really amazing, he considers new evidence and comes to very reasonable and correct conclusions. This game is like he downgraded himself like 50 levels.


Why though ? Do you have the information to be the judge of that ?

What? I have already made a case on him. Even if Cake is mafia the way he handles the case on her is absolutely terrible.
table for two on a tv tray
Vayoletta
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 13 2023 23:09 GMT
#1719
On June 14 2023 08:04 CopCake wrote:
I am so bad with irl. My body language betrays me.


Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
June 13 2023 23:11 GMT
#1720
Can someone do a vote count that shows how people voted in order and scratch off if they switched?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
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