TL Endures Mafia II - Page 86

On June 14 2023 06:00 Vayoletta wrote:


It's true that I became a wagon only after TTT stopped posting, but the timing of when I became a wagon does not matter. Reading early/mid D2 it was quite clear that I was becoming a wagon. Everyone expressed varying levels of suspicion towards me and if the D2 discussion would be inconclusive, the elim would likely just default to me.

Tunneling and focusing on Copcake would have most likely resulted in that scenario.

On June 14 2023 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yes i can see that but why marv mafia over Vivax?

On June 14 2023 07:31 Vayoletta wrote:


Vivax does not feel paired with TTT here who is my biggest suspect due to his handling of me. I could be wrong on this read though.

Why do you townread Vivax?

On June 14 2023 07:22 DarthPunk wrote:


He has been focused on cupcake day one though when you were t a wagon so this still doesn’t make sense

On June 14 2023 07:37 DarthPunk wrote:


What specifically did ttt do regarding you to move from light green, (seemingly your last position before the next post in which you voted him) to dark red?

On June 14 2023 07:37 Vayoletta wrote:


TTT has had opportunuties to take a broader look of the game multiple times, yet he has decided to tunnel CC again.

Go and see how many times TTT has talked about me in his posts. Can’t tell a single example from the top of my mind.

He has avoided talking about me even though he is heavily suspected to be w/w with me by quite many people.

I don’t see the tunnel coming from town here. He’s hoping I get eliminated while he keeps his hands on CC tunnel to not look too involved - the idea of being paired with me is something that suits him and is the reason why he’d play like this as wolf.

On June 14 2023 07:43 DarthPunk wrote:


Is this the reason you scum read him? Cause he is not talking about you?

He defended you from a mislynch if you are town. Does that not count. In his last post he talks about making you talk about how your reads are formed.

That’s talking about you.

And the more I dig into your reads the more I’m like ?????

On June 12 2023 12:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
A bit disorganised at this point, reading through all the posts since #30 atm, I'm up to #53 so I'm biased towards happenings within that frame.

I just spent a lot of time inside my head on you DP. Real spooky. I thought that a red DP would see the difference between DMB last game and this game, and know it meant blue. Then they could lead the mislynch, but have meta from previous game on leading mislynches. Bonus points for backing away from it at the last minute by reading them green (ad lib). But it was Rayn that pointed you in that direction, so that play doesn't work out unless redDP is very fortunate and just had this play fall into his lap (I don't think Rayn's suggestion was red at all). There were some other things. Your reactions have felt artificial twice to me - one was in response to CC, can't remember the other. You being onboard with policy feels irrational but I'm not actually sure on your position on that and WW may have softened you up.
But overall it's too much reach, so I'm back to treating you as green based on the overall pro-townliness of your play. Your read on me is exactly what I would expect and I can't argue against it. I'm not as engaged in poor information environments.

Rayn is green.

LS is weird because I think he decided at the start of the game that he was going to play differently and so my main reason for giving him the benefit of the doubt feels artificial. Someone said at some point that he feels very in the moment and I agree with that. He also seems to come across as artificial whenever he thinks he should be providing an anger response (congruent with autism claim). So I sort of just want to leave him and see where he takes it for now.

I still see CC as red. I don't really want to engage with her because she counter-tunnels and shits up the thread leaving everyone confused. I don't think there's anything she could say that would change my mind, but she also hasn't really done anything since that alleviates or intensifies my suspicion. The read is stale but it's still my firmest read.

Overall, I think town have been eating town a lot, but also in many directions. This sort of environment is something I wanted at the start of the game (not the TvT thing, but the diversity of opinions thing as opposed to last game which felt sychophantic to me from many). This pushes me in the direction of thinking that mafia are more passive, so toward Vayo, Marv, and Slam.

On June 14 2023 07:43 DarthPunk wrote:
Have you played this game a lot Vayo?

On June 14 2023 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean like especially TTT's last game D2 was really amazing, he considers new evidence and comes to very reasonable and correct conclusions. This game is like he downgraded himself like 50 levels.

On June 14 2023 08:04 CopCake wrote:
I am so bad with irl. My body language betrays me.

On June 14 2023 08:02 Vivax wrote:


Why though ? Do you have the information to be the judge of that ?

On June 14 2023 08:04 CopCake wrote:
I am so bad with irl. My body language betrays me.