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On June 10 2023 23:26 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 23:18 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:17 Hapahauli wrote:
I’m mega - waffling on MZ after reading the last game. His posting this game is so structurally similar that I’m thinking I’m picking on a dislike of his style more than anything else. I think you are correct. I have a real issue with your MZ read right now TBH. I’m considerably more suspicious of marv not spotting this, as he played in both games.
He literally mentioned last game as a reason why he was being cautious around scum reading MZ though.
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On June 10 2023 23:27 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 23:22 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:19 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 23:15 TankTopTiger wrote:
LS
The main one was when you asked everyone if anyone else thought DP vs CC was forced, when someone else had already stated this. The rest is the gist I get, but nothing comes to mind.
I guess the important thing is that your questions need to have some reason for existing or they sound empty. The reason I was asking that question was primarily to see if anyone else thought the same way I did and try to engage with others about what I thought but no one else really said anything outside of Rayn, and CopCake. Vivax didn't ask about it but granted he did say that entire thing between them rubbed the wrong way which doesn't = forced at least from my understanding. LS why am I mafia? Pretty much you also happened to confirm this but I felt your entire thing with CopCake was forced and it looked really bad the fact that I was able to prove some of the stuff towards CopCake really paints you more mafia than town to be honest.
Did you read my posts clarifying? Has this changed anything for you?
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On June 10 2023 23:30 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 23:26 Hapahauli wrote:On June 10 2023 23:18 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:17 Hapahauli wrote:
I’m mega - waffling on MZ after reading the last game. His posting this game is so structurally similar that I’m thinking I’m picking on a dislike of his style more than anything else. I think you are correct. I have a real issue with your MZ read right now TBH. I’m considerably more suspicious of marv not spotting this, as he played in both games. He literally mentioned last game as a reason why he was being cautious around scum reading MZ though.
On June 10 2023 17:42 marvellosity wrote:
I’m most suspicious of MZ and Hapa, which given one of Hapa’s only posts was to highlight suspicion on MZ, feels a bit weird. rayn, I don’t characterise MZ as having similar reads to you as a good reason to like him. I’m very wary of feeling too strong about it given last time though.
Hapa tonally looked okay but I expected a bit more drive from him.
Copcake I thought fought her corner pretty consistently even though I wasn’t entirely sure what was going on. It’s not the same but reminded me how DMB was just always there d1 even when under heavy suspicion, last game.
Bunch of other mild (and even a strong or two) townreads but not worth talking about these now, especially as I’m unlikely to be able to respond as I’d like
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Anyway I'm off to bed, ill be around in the morning (AEST) before the deadline. And maybe on my phone for a bit after this post.
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On June 10 2023 23:36 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh hm I’m not reading carefully enough. Gonna re-read and recalibrate.
The story of this game honestly. It seems like the only one actually reading properly is dmb and then she scum reads me for literally no reason. So sad.
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On June 10 2023 23:40 LightningStrike wrote:If this was your clarification Post Darth: Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 15:45 DarthPunk wrote:Regarding copcake drama, in my opinion she has managed to spin this out of control because of one of three reasons: 1.) my posting has been hard to follow and she genuinely is confused 2.) lack of comprehension on her part 3.) willful ignorance or operating in bad faith. I am going to explain this very carefully so that you all understand, because somehow it has gotten confusing even though from my perspective it is not confusing at all. On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
This is the post with which I begin to assert Copcake is not operating in good faith or not reading the thread. Note that it is at this point, AFTER I had provided her with my reasoning for the slam read, that this assertion is made, and IN DIRECT RESPONSE to this particular question. On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote:
What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different? On what? The game in general so far? I think DMB is looking good as is Slam. I think LS and Rayn look bad. this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game. What do you think? But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool. I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game. Now your turn. But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else? I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty? Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. Are you reading the thread? Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions? You are not operating in good faith. I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn Why do you not know this?? Why? Because on the first page of my filter I had answered this question. On June 09 2023 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 13:36 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 13:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk nothing really looks suspicious so far. You have to answer though. That's kind of the point. What's the point of forcing someone to answer something they can't? You know you did this to me last game right :D On June 09 2023 14:28 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 14:24 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 13:36 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 13:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk nothing really looks suspicious so far. You have to answer though. That's kind of the point. What's the point of forcing someone to answer something they can't? You know you did this to me last game right :D yeah, so? So you know what the point is. I really don't, unless you think i should have a scumread at this point even possibly. So do you? If you don't see the point why did you post exactly that last game? This is the start of the argument. As you can see it is based specifically on a very specific part of her post. On June 09 2023 17:12 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:05 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 17:03 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:
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I think DMB is looking good as is Slam.
I think LS and Rayn look bad.
this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game.
What do you think? But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool. I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game. Now your turn. But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else? I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty? Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. Are you reading the thread? Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions? You are not operating in good faith. I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn Why do you not know this?? - someone else - Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me. Is this hard to understand? You do t understand clearly. I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol. But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info. I understand, and I explained that the question I needed an answer for was why is slam town so I could know if your reads have some sort of substance or not. Because to - me - it looks like you wanted rayn reads to base yours in the future with that. I need to actually check last game and see if rayn asked you right away when there was only like 3 persons and 7 posts to - force you - have reads. :D Which she acknowledges here, before it became a big deal In the Thread.Here I clearly state again, that at the point that I stated she was operating in bad faith, in the post above, I had already answered every question she had in the thread, On June 09 2023 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 21:44 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 21:36 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 21:30 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:05 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 17:03 CopCake wrote:
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- someone else -
Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me.
Is this hard to understand? You do t understand clearly. I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol. But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info. So, how it is operating in good faith?, not questioning you perhaps? Because the questions you are asking are answered by reading the thread, because I have clearly explained and responded to those questions. tbh she was asking you why you think Slam is town, and mostly that, and i had the same concern at the time, so i don't think that's a good basis for a scumread. Im not scum reading her for that, I'm scum reading her because she won't explain her town read on you that was super early and super strong and when she did explain it doesn;t even make sense. The whole premise of her arguments from the beginning relies on you being town, so why was it so hard for her to explain a good reason for you to be town? Especially when in the obs thread a meta of her being suspicious of you exists. Further, all the questions she asked had already been answered in the thread, so she was either asking those questions having not read my answers, or she was operating in bad faith because she was mafia.,Those two factors are enough at this juncture. ##Vote: Copcake This is like an absolute lie No its not. Unless you have asked me subsequent questions that I am not aware of after the point that I had stated you were operating in bad faith. In fact, I will answer every question you had at that time by quoting a prior post of mine when I return. That is how confident I am that this is not a lie Why was I confident? because she was asking in that post why I was forcing rayn to make reads, and it had already been established in the thread that the reason I had done so was because he had done the same to me in the prior game, a point which she later acknowledged. The fact that she later uses me refusing to answer her question on my slam read, despite it being clear that I had only refused because she was ignoring my own questions really leaves me wondering, is she just not understanding or reading my posts or is she mafia and trying to deliberately twist and obfuscate the facts of the matter? If that does not make it clear what my perspective on this is, then please ask for clarity. Because to me it is perfectly clear that something weird is going on with Copcake. I think she was more stubborn about you not answering her question she felt like it was a lot more important than your question towards her and that is when you decided to push her in a forceful manner. She did answer it later but still you still continued that fight was pretty scummy.
Lol did you even read the post? What exactly are you taking about? Do you think it’s scummy for me to continue fights? But you saw me fight with half the people in the thread last game and I was town. You love using meta LS so explain that.
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On June 10 2023 23:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 23:22 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:18 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2023 23:10 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:08 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2023 22:59 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 22:53 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2023 16:47 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 16:39 CopCake wrote:
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I literally went to have lunch
I dont understand what having lunch has anything with this. You asked him if he had gathered some information, which he just posted in the post you quoted. Oooff this is good actually. On June 09 2023 16:48 DarthPunk wrote:
I'm mad I didn't spot that. On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:
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Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.
I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
Now your turn. But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else? I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty? Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. Are you reading the thread? Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions? You are not operating in good faith. I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn Why do you not know this?? The only thing not in good faith is that last post, it's neither mad nor are the questions particularly alignment indicative. And you didn't even ask what she had for lunch. If I told you I buried a hatchet under my sunchair, would you not want to know what it looked like? How is it not in good faith? I am trying to establish the facts of the matter? and understand why someone would misrepresent them? in fact it's so in good faith I am considering the option that she is just not reading correctly. Can I ask why you are still pushing this when you were so tragically incorrect about my LS take and that is the genesis of your scum read on me in the first place. That is In hindsight it was about me pointing out how recycling posts is so blatantly careless that mafia would be less likely to do it. The post probably makes more sense if you read it from a mindset where I was half baked at the phone, noticing your disregard for the two crucial pieces of information that LS' was a recycled post and that cake had cake for lunch. And also that I couldn't follow the argument you were making about cop being mafia and a read of her filter did nothing to change my mind about it. Well presumably you are now enlightened, does that change anything for you. I barely manage to keep electricity going, imagine being enlightened. On June 09 2023 19:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My problem with Cake is that every time i am town and she is following the game she thinks i am mafia, i have a hard time imagining she genuinely has a town read on me right now. This is probs the point I could see as the most valid as rayn's the one who should have the best grasp on her alignment, but I have no guarantee that rayn isn't mafia and took an easy route when you offered it to him and (in my opinion) coerced him into going after Cake. That is a very valid point. Also, I don't coerce Rayn to do shit. Rayn does his own thing and chooses what he does and doesn't place value in. So, all this being the case, who do you want to lynch right now? The way he went after Cop had a similar dynamic to you+marv pushing me towards mebaby last game. Felt like coercion then, as it's not something I wanted to do but had no way of countering.
Ok so are we both town then? Because Marv and I were both town last game vivax!
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On June 10 2023 23:41 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 02:19 Hapahauli wrote:On June 10 2023 01:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Hapa if you are around had you caught up yet by chance? I’m just about caught up, but nothing I’ve read is inspiring to me one way or the other beyond a very strong town read on Slam. I also have this overwhelming desire to tunnel marv for nostalgia’s sake, but that’s about it. Careful with rhat, don't DP us again
Tell us what you think about this game slam.
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On June 10 2023 23:53 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 23:42 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:40 LightningStrike wrote:If this was your clarification Post Darth: On June 10 2023 15:45 DarthPunk wrote:Regarding copcake drama, in my opinion she has managed to spin this out of control because of one of three reasons: 1.) my posting has been hard to follow and she genuinely is confused 2.) lack of comprehension on her part 3.) willful ignorance or operating in bad faith. I am going to explain this very carefully so that you all understand, because somehow it has gotten confusing even though from my perspective it is not confusing at all. On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
This is the post with which I begin to assert Copcake is not operating in good faith or not reading the thread. Note that it is at this point, AFTER I had provided her with my reasoning for the slam read, that this assertion is made, and IN DIRECT RESPONSE to this particular question. On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:
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The game in general so far? I think DMB is looking good as is Slam. I think LS and Rayn look bad. this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game. What do you think? But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool. I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game. Now your turn. But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else? I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty? Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. Are you reading the thread? Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions? You are not operating in good faith. I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn Why do you not know this?? Why? Because on the first page of my filter I had answered this question. On June 09 2023 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 13:36 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 13:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk nothing really looks suspicious so far. You have to answer though. That's kind of the point. What's the point of forcing someone to answer something they can't? You know you did this to me last game right :D On June 09 2023 14:28 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 14:24 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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What's the point of forcing someone to answer something they can't? You know you did this to me last game right :D yeah, so? So you know what the point is. I really don't, unless you think i should have a scumread at this point even possibly. So do you? If you don't see the point why did you post exactly that last game? This is the start of the argument. As you can see it is based specifically on a very specific part of her post. On June 09 2023 17:12 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:05 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 17:03 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:
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Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool.
I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game.
Now your turn. But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else? I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty? Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. Are you reading the thread? Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions? You are not operating in good faith. I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn Why do you not know this?? - someone else - Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me. Is this hard to understand? You do t understand clearly. I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol. But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info. I understand, and I explained that the question I needed an answer for was why is slam town so I could know if your reads have some sort of substance or not. Because to - me - it looks like you wanted rayn reads to base yours in the future with that. I need to actually check last game and see if rayn asked you right away when there was only like 3 persons and 7 posts to - force you - have reads. :D Which she acknowledges here, before it became a big deal In the Thread.Here I clearly state again, that at the point that I stated she was operating in bad faith, in the post above, I had already answered every question she had in the thread, On June 09 2023 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 21:44 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 21:36 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 21:30 CopCake wrote:
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So, how it is operating in good faith?, not questioning you perhaps? Because the questions you are asking are answered by reading the thread, because I have clearly explained and responded to those questions. tbh she was asking you why you think Slam is town, and mostly that, and i had the same concern at the time, so i don't think that's a good basis for a scumread. Im not scum reading her for that, I'm scum reading her because she won't explain her town read on you that was super early and super strong and when she did explain it doesn;t even make sense. The whole premise of her arguments from the beginning relies on you being town, so why was it so hard for her to explain a good reason for you to be town? Especially when in the obs thread a meta of her being suspicious of you exists. Further, all the questions she asked had already been answered in the thread, so she was either asking those questions having not read my answers, or she was operating in bad faith because she was mafia.,Those two factors are enough at this juncture. ##Vote: Copcake This is like an absolute lie No its not. Unless you have asked me subsequent questions that I am not aware of after the point that I had stated you were operating in bad faith. In fact, I will answer every question you had at that time by quoting a prior post of mine when I return. That is how confident I am that this is not a lie Why was I confident? because she was asking in that post why I was forcing rayn to make reads, and it had already been established in the thread that the reason I had done so was because he had done the same to me in the prior game, a point which she later acknowledged. The fact that she later uses me refusing to answer her question on my slam read, despite it being clear that I had only refused because she was ignoring my own questions really leaves me wondering, is she just not understanding or reading my posts or is she mafia and trying to deliberately twist and obfuscate the facts of the matter? If that does not make it clear what my perspective on this is, then please ask for clarity. Because to me it is perfectly clear that something weird is going on with Copcake. I think she was more stubborn about you not answering her question she felt like it was a lot more important than your question towards her and that is when you decided to push her in a forceful manner. She did answer it later but still you still continued that fight was pretty scummy. Lol did you even read the post? What exactly are you taking about? Do you think it’s scummy for me to continue fights? But you saw me fight with half the people in the thread last game and I was town. You love using meta LS so explain that. I did read the post I disagreed and I know you fought with half the people in our last game it was the manner you did towards CopCake is what is different this game from last.
How can you disagree with facts ls?
And what specifically is different can you give some examples?
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On June 10 2023 23:52 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 23:44 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:40 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2023 23:22 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:18 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2023 23:10 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:08 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2023 22:59 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 22:53 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2023 16:47 DarthPunk wrote:
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Oooff
this is good actually.
On June 09 2023 16:48 DarthPunk wrote:
I'm mad I didn't spot that. On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:
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Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
The only thing not in good faith is that last post, it's neither mad nor are the questions particularly alignment indicative. And you didn't even ask what she had for lunch. If I told you I buried a hatchet under my sunchair, would you not want to know what it looked like? How is it not in good faith? I am trying to establish the facts of the matter? and understand why someone would misrepresent them? in fact it's so in good faith I am considering the option that she is just not reading correctly. Can I ask why you are still pushing this when you were so tragically incorrect about my LS take and that is the genesis of your scum read on me in the first place. That is In hindsight it was about me pointing out how recycling posts is so blatantly careless that mafia would be less likely to do it. The post probably makes more sense if you read it from a mindset where I was half baked at the phone, noticing your disregard for the two crucial pieces of information that LS' was a recycled post and that cake had cake for lunch. And also that I couldn't follow the argument you were making about cop being mafia and a read of her filter did nothing to change my mind about it. Well presumably you are now enlightened, does that change anything for you. I barely manage to keep electricity going, imagine being enlightened. On June 09 2023 19:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My problem with Cake is that every time i am town and she is following the game she thinks i am mafia, i have a hard time imagining she genuinely has a town read on me right now. This is probs the point I could see as the most valid as rayn's the one who should have the best grasp on her alignment, but I have no guarantee that rayn isn't mafia and took an easy route when you offered it to him and (in my opinion) coerced him into going after Cake. That is a very valid point. Also, I don't coerce Rayn to do shit. Rayn does his own thing and chooses what he does and doesn't place value in. So, all this being the case, who do you want to lynch right now? The way he went after Cop had a similar dynamic to you+marv pushing me towards mebaby last game. Felt like coercion then, as it's not something I wanted to do but had no way of countering. Ok so are we both town then? Because Marv and I were both town last game vivax! Not everything that hobbles is a comparison. Proverb
That’s fine, but you made the comparison so presumably you are assigning some meaning to the comparison.
But the comparison and the meaning you are trying to assign don’t align so now you are posting this bs
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On June 10 2023 23:56 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 23:54 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:53 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 23:42 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:40 LightningStrike wrote:If this was your clarification Post Darth: On June 10 2023 15:45 DarthPunk wrote:Regarding copcake drama, in my opinion she has managed to spin this out of control because of one of three reasons: 1.) my posting has been hard to follow and she genuinely is confused 2.) lack of comprehension on her part 3.) willful ignorance or operating in bad faith. I am going to explain this very carefully so that you all understand, because somehow it has gotten confusing even though from my perspective it is not confusing at all. On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
This is the post with which I begin to assert Copcake is not operating in good faith or not reading the thread. Note that it is at this point, AFTER I had provided her with my reasoning for the slam read, that this assertion is made, and IN DIRECT RESPONSE to this particular question. On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:41 CopCake wrote:
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But when you asked rayn there was mostly nothing 🤷🏽♀️
Now answer me so I can go deeper in explaining my point. Yeah that's fine, its really clear why that (bolded) was done. If rayn wanted to post reads with caveats that would have been cool. I think Slam is more likely to be town because on reflection of the lsat game the major tell for slam should have been that he was not suspicious enough of others, but he was throwing shade at me pretty early and I don;t think that matches his play last game. Now your turn. But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else? I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty? Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. Are you reading the thread? Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions? You are not operating in good faith. I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn Why do you not know this?? Why? Because on the first page of my filter I had answered this question. On June 09 2023 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 13:36 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 13:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk nothing really looks suspicious so far. You have to answer though. That's kind of the point. What's the point of forcing someone to answer something they can't? You know you did this to me last game right :D On June 09 2023 14:28 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 09 2023 14:24 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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yeah, so? So you know what the point is. I really don't, unless you think i should have a scumread at this point even possibly. So do you? If you don't see the point why did you post exactly that last game? This is the start of the argument. As you can see it is based specifically on a very specific part of her post. On June 09 2023 17:12 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:05 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 17:03 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:
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Are you reading the thread?
Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions?
You are not operating in good faith.
I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn
Why do you not know this??
- someone else - Or only rayn’s opinion matters? Because it looked like you wanted his reads so you can formulate yours based on that, just how you jumped on me. Is this hard to understand? You do t understand clearly. I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol. But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info. I understand, and I explained that the question I needed an answer for was why is slam town so I could know if your reads have some sort of substance or not. Because to - me - it looks like you wanted rayn reads to base yours in the future with that. I need to actually check last game and see if rayn asked you right away when there was only like 3 persons and 7 posts to - force you - have reads. :D Which she acknowledges here, before it became a big deal In the Thread.Here I clearly state again, that at the point that I stated she was operating in bad faith, in the post above, I had already answered every question she had in the thread, On June 09 2023 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 21:44 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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tbh she was asking you why you think Slam is town, and mostly that, and i had the same concern at the time, so i don't think that's a good basis for a scumread. Im not scum reading her for that, I'm scum reading her because she won't explain her town read on you that was super early and super strong and when she did explain it doesn;t even make sense. The whole premise of her arguments from the beginning relies on you being town, so why was it so hard for her to explain a good reason for you to be town? Especially when in the obs thread a meta of her being suspicious of you exists. Further, all the questions she asked had already been answered in the thread, so she was either asking those questions having not read my answers, or she was operating in bad faith because she was mafia.,Those two factors are enough at this juncture. ##Vote: Copcake This is like an absolute lie No its not. Unless you have asked me subsequent questions that I am not aware of after the point that I had stated you were operating in bad faith. In fact, I will answer every question you had at that time by quoting a prior post of mine when I return. That is how confident I am that this is not a lie Why was I confident? because she was asking in that post why I was forcing rayn to make reads, and it had already been established in the thread that the reason I had done so was because he had done the same to me in the prior game, a point which she later acknowledged. The fact that she later uses me refusing to answer her question on my slam read, despite it being clear that I had only refused because she was ignoring my own questions really leaves me wondering, is she just not understanding or reading my posts or is she mafia and trying to deliberately twist and obfuscate the facts of the matter? If that does not make it clear what my perspective on this is, then please ask for clarity. Because to me it is perfectly clear that something weird is going on with Copcake. I think she was more stubborn about you not answering her question she felt like it was a lot more important than your question towards her and that is when you decided to push her in a forceful manner. She did answer it later but still you still continued that fight was pretty scummy. Lol did you even read the post? What exactly are you taking about? Do you think it’s scummy for me to continue fights? But you saw me fight with half the people in the thread last game and I was town. You love using meta LS so explain that. I did read the post I disagreed and I know you fought with half the people in our last game it was the manner you did towards CopCake is what is different this game from last. How can you disagree with facts ls? And what specifically is different can you give some examples? She tried to answer you but it got turned into a full blown fight for no reason in this game which in last game you do push me but the bigger difference is it had a purpose here I felt you had no purpose for that fight.
Do you think it was a fight solely because of me? You think I caused it to become a fight?
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As much as it pains me to say it:
I think LS is more likely to be bad bad bad bad town this game than maf.
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On June 11 2023 00:01 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 23:58 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:56 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 23:54 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:53 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 23:42 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:40 LightningStrike wrote:If this was your clarification Post Darth: On June 10 2023 15:45 DarthPunk wrote:Regarding copcake drama, in my opinion she has managed to spin this out of control because of one of three reasons: 1.) my posting has been hard to follow and she genuinely is confused 2.) lack of comprehension on her part 3.) willful ignorance or operating in bad faith. I am going to explain this very carefully so that you all understand, because somehow it has gotten confusing even though from my perspective it is not confusing at all. On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull. On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
This is the post with which I begin to assert Copcake is not operating in good faith or not reading the thread. Note that it is at this point, AFTER I had provided her with my reasoning for the slam read, that this assertion is made, and IN DIRECT RESPONSE to this particular question. On June 09 2023 17:01 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 16:38 CopCake wrote:
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But you can’t force someone to give reads that early with few posts, it seems like you are trying to act - pro town - and maybe create reads out of it. Because you asked RAYN, not someone else. Or why did you ask HIM and not someone else?
I also disagree with LS, like how is that crafty? I would reconsider if I was you because you lynched marv because LS pretty much mentioned him a lot and if marv was town then LS is a “genious”, “mafia prodigy”, how cant that entrance be a town LS? How is it crafty?
Besides that, I asked what was different. I think Slam is town for example because he - feels - easy going, not attached to anything, not stressfull.
Are you reading the thread? Are you reading my posts when you are asking me questions? You are not operating in good faith. I’ve already explained why I asked Rayn Why do you not know this?? Why? Because on the first page of my filter I had answered this question. On June 09 2023 14:17 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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What's the point of forcing someone to answer something they can't? You know you did this to me last game right :D On June 09 2023 14:28 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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I really don't, unless you think i should have a scumread at this point even possibly.
So do you? If you don't see the point why did you post exactly that last game? This is the start of the argument. As you can see it is based specifically on a very specific part of her post. On June 09 2023 17:12 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 17:05 DarthPunk wrote:
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You do t understand clearly.
I asked Rayn this question because he asked me the same at the start of last game. That’s explained itt so I don’t know what the fuck you are on about here lol.
But I do know you aren’t operating in good faith cause this is all available info.
I understand, and I explained that the question I needed an answer for was why is slam town so I could know if your reads have some sort of substance or not. Because to - me - it looks like you wanted rayn reads to base yours in the future with that. I need to actually check last game and see if rayn asked you right away when there was only like 3 persons and 7 posts to - force you - have reads. :D Which she acknowledges here, before it became a big deal In the Thread.Here I clearly state again, that at the point that I stated she was operating in bad faith, in the post above, I had already answered every question she had in the thread, On June 09 2023 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 21:44 CopCake wrote:
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This is like an absolute lie
No its not. Unless you have asked me subsequent questions that I am not aware of after the point that I had stated you were operating in bad faith. In fact, I will answer every question you had at that time by quoting a prior post of mine when I return. That is how confident I am that this is not a lie Why was I confident? because she was asking in that post why I was forcing rayn to make reads, and it had already been established in the thread that the reason I had done so was because he had done the same to me in the prior game, a point which she later acknowledged. The fact that she later uses me refusing to answer her question on my slam read, despite it being clear that I had only refused because she was ignoring my own questions really leaves me wondering, is she just not understanding or reading my posts or is she mafia and trying to deliberately twist and obfuscate the facts of the matter? If that does not make it clear what my perspective on this is, then please ask for clarity. Because to me it is perfectly clear that something weird is going on with Copcake. I think she was more stubborn about you not answering her question she felt like it was a lot more important than your question towards her and that is when you decided to push her in a forceful manner. She did answer it later but still you still continued that fight was pretty scummy. Lol did you even read the post? What exactly are you taking about? Do you think it’s scummy for me to continue fights? But you saw me fight with half the people in the thread last game and I was town. You love using meta LS so explain that. I did read the post I disagreed and I know you fought with half the people in our last game it was the manner you did towards CopCake is what is different this game from last. How can you disagree with facts ls? And what specifically is different can you give some examples? She tried to answer you but it got turned into a full blown fight for no reason in this game which in last game you do push me but the bigger difference is it had a purpose here I felt you had no purpose for that fight. Do you think it was a fight solely because of me? You think I caused it to become a fight? I think you caused it to become a fight granted she could of handled a little bit better but you made it become a fight.
Which post? Quote it.
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On June 11 2023 00:06 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 00:02 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 00:01 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 23:58 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:56 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 23:54 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:53 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 23:42 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:40 LightningStrike wrote:If this was your clarification Post Darth: On June 10 2023 15:45 DarthPunk wrote:
Regarding copcake drama, in my opinion she has managed to spin this out of control because of one of three reasons:
1.) my posting has been hard to follow and she genuinely is confused
2.) lack of comprehension on her part
3.) willful ignorance or operating in bad faith.
I am going to explain this very carefully so that you all understand, because somehow it has gotten confusing even though from my perspective it is not confusing at all.
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This is the post with which I begin to assert Copcake is not operating in good faith or not reading the thread.
Note that it is at this point, AFTER I had provided her with my reasoning for the slam read, that this assertion is made, and IN DIRECT RESPONSE to this particular question.
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Why?
Because on the first page of my filter I had answered this question.
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This is the start of the argument. As you can see it is based specifically on a very specific part of her post.
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Which she acknowledges here, before it became a big deal In the Thread.
Here I clearly state again, that at the point that I stated she was operating in bad faith, in the post above, I had already answered every question she had in the thread,
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Why was I confident? because she was asking in that post why I was forcing rayn to make reads, and it had already been established in the thread that the reason I had done so was because he had done the same to me in the prior game, a point which she later acknowledged.
The fact that she later uses me refusing to answer her question on my slam read, despite it being clear that I had only refused because she was ignoring my own questions really leaves me wondering, is she just not understanding or reading my posts or is she mafia and trying to deliberately twist and obfuscate the facts of the matter?
If that does not make it clear what my perspective on this is, then please ask for clarity.
Because to me it is perfectly clear that something weird is going on with Copcake. I think she was more stubborn about you not answering her question she felt like it was a lot more important than your question towards her and that is when you decided to push her in a forceful manner. She did answer it later but still you still continued that fight was pretty scummy. Lol did you even read the post? What exactly are you taking about? Do you think it’s scummy for me to continue fights? But you saw me fight with half the people in the thread last game and I was town. You love using meta LS so explain that. I did read the post I disagreed and I know you fought with half the people in our last game it was the manner you did towards CopCake is what is different this game from last. How can you disagree with facts ls? And what specifically is different can you give some examples? She tried to answer you but it got turned into a full blown fight for no reason in this game which in last game you do push me but the bigger difference is it had a purpose here I felt you had no purpose for that fight. Do you think it was a fight solely because of me? You think I caused it to become a fight? I think you caused it to become a fight granted she could of handled a little bit better but you made it become a fight. Which post? Quote it. Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 15:40 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:35 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:34 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote:
What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different? On what? The game in general so far? I think DMB is looking good as is Slam. I think LS and Rayn look bad. this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game. What do you think? Why is slam town? Why don't you answer my question, and then I will answer this one. I'm not trying to avoid this btw,> its only fair that this conversation is two ways though right? This sounded very antagonistic from you that seemed to had caused the fight.
Ok LS I can see there is no reasoning with you and you are locked into this scum read. How confident are you out of a scale of 1-100 that I am mafia?
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On June 11 2023 00:08 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2023 23:57 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:52 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2023 23:44 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:40 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2023 23:22 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:18 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2023 23:10 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:08 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2023 22:59 DarthPunk wrote:
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How is it not in good faith? I am trying to establish the facts of the matter? and understand why someone would misrepresent them? in fact it's so in good faith I am considering the option that she is just not reading correctly.
Can I ask why you are still pushing this when you were so tragically incorrect about my LS take and that is the genesis of your scum read on me in the first place.
That is In hindsight it was about me pointing out how recycling posts is so blatantly careless that mafia would be less likely to do it. The post probably makes more sense if you read it from a mindset where I was half baked at the phone, noticing your disregard for the two crucial pieces of information that LS' was a recycled post and that cake had cake for lunch. And also that I couldn't follow the argument you were making about cop being mafia and a read of her filter did nothing to change my mind about it. Well presumably you are now enlightened, does that change anything for you. I barely manage to keep electricity going, imagine being enlightened. On June 09 2023 19:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My problem with Cake is that every time i am town and she is following the game she thinks i am mafia, i have a hard time imagining she genuinely has a town read on me right now. This is probs the point I could see as the most valid as rayn's the one who should have the best grasp on her alignment, but I have no guarantee that rayn isn't mafia and took an easy route when you offered it to him and (in my opinion) coerced him into going after Cake. That is a very valid point. Also, I don't coerce Rayn to do shit. Rayn does his own thing and chooses what he does and doesn't place value in. So, all this being the case, who do you want to lynch right now? The way he went after Cop had a similar dynamic to you+marv pushing me towards mebaby last game. Felt like coercion then, as it's not something I wanted to do but had no way of countering. Ok so are we both town then? Because Marv and I were both town last game vivax! Not everything that hobbles is a comparison. Proverb That’s fine, but you made the comparison so presumably you are assigning some meaning to the comparison. But the comparison and the meaning you are trying to assign don’t align so now you are posting this bs It‘s about the technique. It‘s not very gentlemanly, and easy to replicate as both alignments. Do I read a subtle hint of frustration here because I‘m not using it to generate a townread of you ? In which case I assure you I will evaluate your alignment fairly when I have a better grasp on the game.
You do detect frustration. I am frustrated. but mainly because people keep not reading the thread properly are posting nonsense like the above and are locked into inexplicable scum reads on me for reasons they can’t explain and I can’t discern.
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On June 11 2023 00:13 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 00:10 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 00:06 LightningStrike wrote:On June 11 2023 00:02 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 00:01 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 23:58 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:56 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 23:54 DarthPunk wrote:On June 10 2023 23:53 LightningStrike wrote:On June 10 2023 23:42 DarthPunk wrote:
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Lol did you even read the post? What exactly are you taking about? Do you think it’s scummy for me to continue fights? But you saw me fight with half the people in the thread last game and I was town. You love using meta LS so explain that. I did read the post I disagreed and I know you fought with half the people in our last game it was the manner you did towards CopCake is what is different this game from last. How can you disagree with facts ls? And what specifically is different can you give some examples? She tried to answer you but it got turned into a full blown fight for no reason in this game which in last game you do push me but the bigger difference is it had a purpose here I felt you had no purpose for that fight. Do you think it was a fight solely because of me? You think I caused it to become a fight? I think you caused it to become a fight granted she could of handled a little bit better but you made it become a fight. Which post? Quote it. On June 09 2023 15:40 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:35 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:34 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 15:29 CopCake wrote:On June 09 2023 15:25 DarthPunk wrote:On June 09 2023 14:54 CopCake wrote:
What kind of information have you gotten so far DP? Anything different? On what? The game in general so far? I think DMB is looking good as is Slam. I think LS and Rayn look bad. this comes with all the usual caveats for reads that are this early in the game. What do you think? Why is slam town? Why don't you answer my question, and then I will answer this one. I'm not trying to avoid this btw,> its only fair that this conversation is two ways though right? This sounded very antagonistic from you that seemed to had caused the fight. Ok LS I can see there is no reasoning with you and you are locked into this scum read. How confident are you out of a scale of 1-100 that I am mafia? 70
Ok. well this has been very helpful LS. For if you are town this game then you have revealed how bad you truly are and I can compensate accordingly in the future.
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On June 11 2023 06:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really really don't like either of the choices for lynch right now. I am completely aware i can be wrong on LS, i just find it extremely mafiaish to group two people where "one is mafia but i can't tell which" and then do nothing for the rest of the day. Because if the two people are town, LS has just set him up for D1 AND D2 pass with a very shitty reasoning (as pretty much noone seems to think he is mafia). Also in case i am right and both DP and Cake are town he is just basically +1 mafia if he is town, since he is only accusing townies and refuses to do anything else.
I don’t have a slam dunk town read on him, if I didn’t just see his mafia play in the previous game I would be 100% on board to lynch him.
Do you not think he is just really bad? I’m not sure cause I haven’t really played with him that much, but this game his engagement is significantly higher even if he is scummy as fuck, makes me lean towards the bad basket.
That and I put significant pressure on him earlier and he didn’t fold. I think that’s a point in his favour.
I don’t agree with most of the reasons for ppl town reading him, and I could see a world in which he just levels up his scum game after the poor showing last time around. (By basically playing the same scummy way but increasing activity)
Can you explain like I’m five why cop is town so I can move on? Cause the emotion argument is something I place very little emphasis on in general.
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On June 11 2023 06:40 Hapahauli wrote:
I think all and all, I'm still on MZ and TTT as our best lynches for today.
Rayn, curious to hear your thoughts on both (and LS, since you clearly disagree with me). I'll note that I think TTT has effectively set up CC and LS as back to back lynches in his filter, similar to what you are saying about LS.
Meh Hapa, I appreciate you trying to save me and all but you landed like a plane with no wings on this one.
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On June 11 2023 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Idk about TTT, probably would not want to lynch him here, i think he had VERY townie looking early game, at least for me it looks like that. I'd have to read his filter again.
Agree, I don’t think he is the lynch for today. He will be too easy to read later. And he has a set standard for contribution that will be difficult to maintain if mafia.
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On June 11 2023 06:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Other than DP and Cake, my townreads are basically Slam, Hapa, and Vivax.
Others i can't either tell about but don't wanna lynch either (marv, possibly Vayoletta), or there are thing i definitely do not like about.
Vivax was blue last game and this game he is definitely not blue, and doesn't really look scummy at all, yet Chezinu placed his vote on Vivax when that was already clear. There's simply no reason to believe Chezinu would have "blue/red sickness", the vote was just incredibly out of place.
I have no clue what to think about MZ, i kind of agree with Hapa on the things on MZ, but i am HORRIBLE at figuring out MZ apparently.
DMB seems more self-aware than last game. Probably some of it comes with learning, sure, but like from a person whos cases were "these two people are 100000% mafia because they posted at the same time" and after that "these two people orchestrated the lynch D1" (when me and VE were pushing COMPLETELY different things all D1), i find it very hard to imagine town!DMB would actually be able to keep her head this straight in this game. Unless ofc, she is mafia and needs to actually just consider what to post to not get lynched aka what looks good, not what she actually thinks and how she's running the things in her head.
Dmb still has some of the crazy. She has a weird associative case with me and ls. Which I both hate (cause bad) and like because it reassures me that some of the natural paranoia is leaking through.
I think dmb is town she is playing very closely to her style at the latter part of last game.
Although her vote on me sucks. I also identified last game that she tends to scum read and vote for aggressors and town read defenders.
What I mean by this is that she thinks cop is a victim and is scumreading me for attacking her. She was definitely doing that kind of thing over and over last game.
Yeah dmb firm town.
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