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On June 14 2023 00:23 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 00:16 marvellosity wrote:On June 14 2023 00:15 Vivax wrote:On June 13 2023 10:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I also just reread Vivax and actually found myself nodding along to a lot of it. His filter is a lot more coherent than I was expecting and I am no longer townreading TTT in the slightest. He's null at best now. I don‘t believe this dude read my filter and found himself nodding along with it and then leaving me at null. That has to be a lie with a fake read along with it cause he should’ve been turned into an hysterical bobblehead at minimum. I also think I’m far from coherent. He’s saying TTt is null, not you Oh, poor comprehension on my part. I blame my goofy mood. Nevertheless that commentary on me didn‘t lead him anywhere while I think it should. If I recall correctly, at the time I had TTT in my crosshairs so if he agreed with me like he said he did that shouldn‘t be a null. I‘m going to opt for the rare and illustrious vayo vote with you but I‘m open to voring MZ at EoD for that post alone cause I don‘t believe him. ##Vote: Vayoletta
Do you think MZ and Vayo can be mafia together?
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On June 14 2023 01:28 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 01:14 marvellosity wrote:On June 14 2023 00:23 Vivax wrote:On June 14 2023 00:16 marvellosity wrote:On June 14 2023 00:15 Vivax wrote:On June 13 2023 10:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I also just reread Vivax and actually found myself nodding along to a lot of it. His filter is a lot more coherent than I was expecting and I am no longer townreading TTT in the slightest. He's null at best now. I don‘t believe this dude read my filter and found himself nodding along with it and then leaving me at null. That has to be a lie with a fake read along with it cause he should’ve been turned into an hysterical bobblehead at minimum. I also think I’m far from coherent. He’s saying TTt is null, not you Oh, poor comprehension on my part. I blame my goofy mood. Nevertheless that commentary on me didn‘t lead him anywhere while I think it should. If I recall correctly, at the time I had TTT in my crosshairs so if he agreed with me like he said he did that shouldn‘t be a null. I‘m going to opt for the rare and illustrious vayo vote with you but I‘m open to voring MZ at EoD for that post alone cause I don‘t believe him. ##Vote: Vayoletta Do you think MZ and Vayo can be mafia together? I don‘t discount it. MZ has still to place a vote and when the circle tightens and nobody is around to like your dog, mafia needs to include teammates in suspect circles but shys away from voting them.If TTT and Vayo both were mafia, that‘d make MZ the deepscum for a shot at lategame. And they can still do enough at EoD to steer the titanic away from themselves. I don‘t think I need to explain why EoD-centric activity peaks are more likely to be from mafia. But we‘ll see.
So day 1…?
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rayn, I have just spent quite a bit of time in TTT’s filter, then I read your case at the end of it. I mentioned previously that TTT had disregarded information in the thread that contradicted his own tunnel. I went and found where it started to make it easier for you to check: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/609557-tl-endures-mafia?page=148#2942
Essentially the history being that TTT thought he caught me in some sort of trap about what I said about LS sheeping me. He thought that I was talking about LS voting me, rather than following my vote on to DP in weak fashion. I posted my posts in thread to show this and he ignored it. Obviously it’s poor play to ignore evidence, but then again the direct evidence here is that a town TTT will ignore evidence. What makes it a little bit more difficult to stomach is that TTT does talk in his filter about learning from the tunnel on me, but makes the same ‘mistake’ (if that’s what it is) on CC.
Just to touch on your point about the “twice as weird” thing again now I reread his filter and your case - the not-mafia explanation here is that he originally found CC’s read on you weird, rowed back on it after an explanation, then found it weird again with the information that CC tends not to read you as town.
For me the strangest thing about his filter is the near obsession with DP; obviously they know each other irl so part of it must be that. But there’s a lot of dangling DP there as possibly mafia while consistently reading him town for not much other than ‘pro town’ posting. To me that doesn’t mesh very well compared to his nuts tunnel on me last game, I would have thought he would be more willing to interrogate his DP read, or otherwise have better reasons to read him town.
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On June 14 2023 04:42 Vayoletta wrote:
I think rayn trended upwards today.
What’s the difference on yesterday?
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Slam, Copcake, where are your votes going?
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The wagons are all way too fragmented with European bed time soon
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If I read TTT’s filter I can find more reasons for him to be town than Vayo. I don’t know if that means TTT is actually town but I do think he’s a worse lynch
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On June 14 2023 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am staying on TTT, i think it's the best option. I am around sporadically until deadline in case something happens.
Did you see my post? Do you have anything to discuss with it?
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On June 14 2023 05:13 LightningStrike wrote:It is a bit fragmented but there is a super majority on TTT by 2 votes.
If someone gets clearly lynched with 4 votes something has probably gone a bit wrong
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On June 14 2023 05:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 05:12 marvellosity wrote:On June 14 2023 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am staying on TTT, i think it's the best option. I am around sporadically until deadline in case something happens. Did you see my post? Do you have anything to discuss with it? Not really, it looks like you think he is mafia as well?
Possibly. Tbh I would vote Chez if I had to move my vote. All I have on him are his votes and so far not great
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On June 14 2023 05:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 05:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 14 2023 05:12 marvellosity wrote:On June 14 2023 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am staying on TTT, i think it's the best option. I am around sporadically until deadline in case something happens. Did you see my post? Do you have anything to discuss with it? Not really, it looks like you think he is mafia as well? The whole thing of not looking at evidence stinks this game more than last game. Last game he has probably misread something and made a conclusion based on his own world view (his own misreading posts / situation). This game he immediately takes me saying "cake always reads me as scum when i am town" at face value, which is already weird. There is nothing to "read" there even. then Cake comes, posts a couple of her games and says "look TTT, here, what rayn is saying is not correct". He simply just refuses to even contribute to the evidence provided to him. I find the situation in comparison to last game very different. In last game you could argue it's a matter of interpretation (while it's really not), but you COULD, as TTT think it is. This game there is no room for that.
The thing is I agree with you which is why he’s possibly mafia and not more likely town.
But the similarity to last game is still there. The alternative does exist, I don’t think it’s as clear cut as you make out
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On June 14 2023 05:25 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 05:23 DarthPunk wrote:On June 14 2023 04:10 Vayoletta wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I feel like TTT tunneling Copcake is a deliberate way to control the threadstate by a wolf.
The wolves feel like they are in a comfortable position because I'm town here and the elim is getting directed to me. By pushing the thread into tunneling Copcake would create an atmosphere where wolves are able to sip martinis in peace as marvellosity and MZ get a pass. This post in particular is bullshit since the wagon on Vayo formed after ttt stopped posting. Trying to over explain a read backflip imo. Let’s talk about how disconnected from the game this post is please
Not a lot to talk about, you’re just right
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On June 14 2023 14:43 DarthPunk wrote:
But the fact that this game is really hard I think points to a mafia in the Marv/Rayn slot. and I guess Rayn think the same but the Marv/DP slot, and Marv will probably think the Rayn/DP slot.
(not saying I'm on the same level as these guys or anything)
I guess if i HAD to lynch into one of Rayn or Marv, I would lynch Rayn, because I respect his scum play more.
I really really don't think a time stressed marv would be able to keep up as Scum. (unless he has more energy and engagement with scum play than he used to.)
Shady lady.
But yes, plenty to think about this night.
Please at least tell me the lynch was dramatic for when I go read how it ended up going down
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Well we just agreed on a day 2 lynch candidate. Just need to be better and agree on a better one, apparently
We have one more mislynch only?
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On June 14 2023 15:46 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 15:43 marvellosity wrote:On June 14 2023 14:43 DarthPunk wrote:
But the fact that this game is really hard I think points to a mafia in the Marv/Rayn slot. and I guess Rayn think the same but the Marv/DP slot, and Marv will probably think the Rayn/DP slot.
(not saying I'm on the same level as these guys or anything)
I guess if i HAD to lynch into one of Rayn or Marv, I would lynch Rayn, because I respect his scum play more.
I really really don't think a time stressed marv would be able to keep up as Scum. (unless he has more energy and engagement with scum play than he used to.) Shady lady. But yes, plenty to think about this night. Please at least tell me the lynch was dramatic for when I go read how it ended up going down I think I was the only person really engaged at the end. Rayn a little as well. So not dramatic at all.
That’s irritating information-wise on a d2 lynch.
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I was getting slightly worried about LS yesterday because he hadn’t posted for a while. But I thought some of the stuff he posted when he was back looked really town. Stuff I don’t think he can post as mafia. I’ll dig it out at some point if I have to
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On June 14 2023 17:28 DarthPunk wrote:
We can’t just have people go oh well if Rayn or Marv or do are scum go I guess. We are all catchable
If I can be lynched as town I can definitely be lynched as mafia
Not a scum claim :p
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On June 14 2023 17:32 TankTopTiger wrote:
So if there is another blue role, they sort of "know" or have reason to consider LS red, even if they are not themselves tracker?
And in that position (and I'm not claiming this), they know he's mostly gimped and they may not want to claim based on the likelihood that they've correctly guessed the setup? In the meantime, they get to take their actions and still can claim against him down the road?
Him being blue is based on seriously not much and I'm getting heaped on for not assuming him town yesterday. I was almost lynched partially based on not assuming him town.
You set it up so that if someone did hang on to their blue role, they wouldn't be believed if they counterclaimed him later. Unless I'm missing something, both you and Rayn were being stupid on this.
In my opinion it’s quite (very?) likely there’s some sort of investigative role (especially in seeming absence of vig), and highly unlikely there would ever be 2
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