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TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 11 2023 00:34 GMT
#945
Unrelated to game:
I can no longer create a new tab by right-clicking the quote button, it just stay perpetually loading. It was working last night. Is anyone else experiencing this issue? Very annoying.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 11 2023 00:59 GMT
#955
The votes were simultaneous but uncoordinated. Vivax+DMB team unlikely.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 11 2023 01:21 GMT
#973
I'm not sure what to think. I just compared her filters, and she was a lot more aggressive even after Vivax died than she is now (you were correct, my vibe was way off). This looks bad for her I agree.

She says she hasn't got time for the game, but the type of aggression she was doing last game was not time-consuming. It was more like knee-jerk guttural suspicion. Her lists look similar, but she no longer feels like she's trying to figure out the game. She was never ginger about her accusations. So I think your initial reasoning was sound.

As for the Vivax+DNB voteswitching, it being uncoordinated could just mean Vivax town. Would she have made that decision if she knew Vivax was switching? Nah.

I'm not voting Vayo. It's a policy lynch in all be the most technical sense. Even if they're red we get no info.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 11 2023 01:27 GMT
#980
Vivax can you please confirm this:
On June 11 2023 10:25 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2023 10:21 TankTopTiger wrote:
I'm not sure what to think. I just compared her filters, and she was a lot more aggressive even after Vivax died than she is now (you were correct, my vibe was way off). This looks bad for her I agree.

She says she hasn't got time for the game, but the type of aggression she was doing last game was not time-consuming. It was more like knee-jerk guttural suspicion. Her lists look similar, but she no longer feels like she's trying to figure out the game. She was never ginger about her accusations. So I think your initial reasoning was sound.

As for the Vivax+DNB voteswitching, it being uncoordinated could just mean Vivax town. Would she have made that decision if she knew Vivax was switching? Nah.

I'm not voting Vayo. It's a policy lynch in all be the most technical sense. Even if they're red we get no info.


Vivax is just realizing that I worked douple time and didn't play just spend 2 hours of my free time with him and sleep and repeat. I have more time in the next days but my body is killing me right now. I am tired and I don't have the energy to be agressiv and as I said not reading is not playing so vote me out. You still have 9 Town people left.

TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 11 2023 01:30 GMT
#984
Disagree she's shown herself town. The tiredness feels genuine but she'd be even more tired if she was red.

What makes you think she's green vivax?
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 11 2023 01:42 GMT
#1003
Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.

I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 11 2023 01:48 GMT
#1023
LS have you been coached since last game?
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 11 2023 01:51 GMT
#1032
Strong disagree MZ. Lynches are a resource that you don't waste. They produce information and are your win condition.

Last game, Vivax was lynched, but it helped form the case on VE. Onegu was modkilled and it didn't really slow us down. A town without info is not going to win.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 11 2023 01:54 GMT
#1039
Keep that discussion for tonight, policy lynch isn't happening.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 11 2023 01:56 GMT
#1045
DP you have been more aggressive this game but you are a sentimental old man when it comes to lynch at times. DMB is absolutely manipulating rn (ANI). They saw what worked and so kept doing it.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 11 2023 01:58 GMT
#1051
On June 11 2023 10:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2023 10:51 TankTopTiger wrote:
Strong disagree MZ. Lynches are a resource that you don't waste. They produce information and are your win condition.

Last game, Vivax was lynched, but it helped form the case on VE. Onegu was modkilled and it didn't really slow us down. A town without info is not going to win.

I hate killing just for the sake of information with a burning passion. Whenever people are like "let's lynch X for information" I die inside. That's essentially what this lynch has become because I don't think anyone active in the thread rn can claim they're actually feeling good about their top scum read, whoever it might be. I mean fuck dude, my top read just claimed tracker.


I believe your fundamentals in this regard are flawed but that's a conversation for another time.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 11 2023 02:00 GMT
#1060
This specifically feels bad, because everything is rushed last minute and I don't have time to verify info. But a wise man once told me that was good actually (glares at DP).

But I think D1 was very good overall.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 11 2023 02:29 GMT
#1076
Does MZ usually go for policy lynching? IIRC he spent D1 last game going after Marv.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 11 2023 02:31 GMT
#1078
MZ take a breath. He's not saying you didn't advocate policy lynching, he's saying that all but one of your hours playing was spent trying to lynch LS.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 11 2023 02:39 GMT
#1080
Well, now we know why her playstyle changed I guess.

DMB, you should have claimed rather than getting lynched. Even if you don't plan on being super active in the game you would have at least made scum NK you. See how everyone switched off LS?

TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 11 2023 02:45 GMT
#1081
Do you normally get this angry?

It feels fake because your position is weak (Tracker and policy), but Koshi was furious last game I guess under similar circumstances.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 11 2023 06:09 GMT
#1092
DP why is a lurker lynch even viable assuming no modkill?

Killing a lurking town isn't helping us.

Every cycle, scum get an NK. Every cycle, town get a lynch. Lynch is far worse than NK, and it's only through informed lynching can town close the inherent disadvantage. Informed lynching comes from information, and the best information which helps interpret all other information is... through lynching.

If we lynch a lurker, we basically start again D1 minus (probably) two town. This is disadvantage over time and not something we should ever want.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 11 2023 06:49 GMT
#1095
I misspoke, => probably town based on math.

Even if they're red, they don't give us anything. I'm not sure if this is still the case, but I'm pretty sure back in the day one of the stats I read was that counterintuitively, if mafia get lynched D1, this favours red. The informational advantage outweighs the material advantage.

There was a case, you had noticed real shit. She was blue which makes her act different. She could have claimed and we would have moved on but she didn't.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 11 2023 07:18 GMT
#1099
Okay but the probability that DMB was mafia was not zero. In retrospect yeah it might seem that way, but if we have that superpower we would just choose to lynch mafia every day.

You convinced me based on reasons that were real. Her seeming town for the moments before dying does not undo the shift inf her behaviour. She was a purple who didn't claim when piled on at the 11th hour. LS claimed. DMB breadcrumbed.

TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 12 2023 03:16 GMT
#1194
Hap was looking at me, MZ, Chez:

On June 11 2023 10:46 Hapahauli wrote:
##Vote DMB

I don't like the vote, but I think its better than the other viable options. I"d be happy to lynch MZ today or TTT today and that's about it.

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