TL Endures Mafia II - Page 4

On June 10 2023 09:40 die_meatbaby wrote:
I finished work right now... and wow much to read. I was just fast reading and have to read it again more accurately after some sleep, but what I got so far is
Vivax is posting a lot of bullshit nonsense
MZ writes bad as last game
LS seems suspect for me
Rayn seems always suspect for me so I can't make a opinion on him.
TTT Strong Townread
Marv is okey for now
Chez is Chez. I still think he is not human. His account is a first AI try for scum maybe.
And I have to Filter everyone I didn't mention here.

On June 10 2023 09:43 die_meatbaby wrote:


You feed the snake alone today. Jerry is in the fridge.

On June 10 2023 09:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm home and read the thread. I hate almost every lightningstrike post I read, only thing keeping me from voting at the moment is how much higher his activity is compared to his scum game. I also need to read some filters, probably starting with LS and DP and compare them to last game.

I'll be around the rest of the evening if folks wanna chat.

On June 10 2023 09:47 Vivax wrote:
I‘m blackmailed.
I‘m blackmailed.
I‘m blackmailed.
I‘m blackmailed.
I‘m blackmailed.

On June 10 2023 09:48 die_meatbaby wrote:


Sorry I will make the quotes asp. I need some sleep after my 13+ hour shift

On June 10 2023 09:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

You have a 4 page filter and one read (darth) which you don't even seem to believe in. Don't worry, once this chicken & pasta is done I'll have it nicely explained.

Sorry it looks like you rolled scum again :/

On June 10 2023 09:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I can't shake the feeling LS that you know you didn't play well as mafia last game and you're trying to bring more activity this game as a way to improve your scum game.

I need to stop posting and finish cooking, I also recognize I could be tunneling myself and it doesn't help that rayn agreeing with me has reinforced my reads. I'll be objective as possible when I go through your filter.

On June 10 2023 11:12 TankTopTiger wrote:
@LS Why is your vote on Rayn? Have you cased him at any point?

On June 10 2023 11:26 TankTopTiger wrote:
Ah, I'm an idiot who misread the vote. Ignore that line of questioning. Sorry!

On June 10 2023 12:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
First things first, when I type TL.net into my browser it takes me to marv's filter from last game which is indicative of how many times I read him trying to figure things out lol.

Second, I'm a bottle of wine deep for personal reasons so apologies for any misspellings or other grammatical issues.

Finally, let's get to LS


Ok fine, it's early, not gonna hate you for nothing catching your eye


I'm going to do my best not to sound super sarcastic when I right this but come on, it's chez "I hope he answers so we figure out what it means?" Like what does it mean to you dude? Why highlight this? It's chez who the fuck knows what it means? This post serves no purpose

I should pause here and explain how I think, I write these posts knowing what my gut says based on what I've read previously in the thread but I don't go in with a conclusion in mind. If LS brings attention to Chez again and continues this line of inquiry I will stop finding this post suspicious.



We were all in the OBS chat, it's literally the same people, we can all confirm that. Another useless post.



"Darth at least is the same alignment as me this time around I think through reading his filter"


useless

useless

I hate these two posts. It's funny how he talks about shitting up the thread yet his own posts aren't actually helping to unwind the thread except for +1ing rayn.

The next few posts, while ironically similar to stuff I've said regarding my IRL activity, are part of what's feeding into my impression that LS is attempting to generate activity to avoid some of the scumtells he fell victim to last game:

+ Show Spoiler +


IDK LS, what do you think? I personally only say that people are looking bad when they're looking scummy to me. Earlier you said Darth was the same alignment as you, so are you going to defend him?

OK so now I've entered the game this AM and we're getting to the posts that really caught my attention when I was catching up this afternoon:

What in the actual fuck does this mean? Why do you think it was forced? Do you think both Darth and Copcake are scum? What posts do you felt were forced? What does this serve to do other than fish for suspicions?


This post feels like opportunistic scum looking for suspicions to feed on, if it's NAI why bring up this stuff in the first place other than to sow doubt and distrust among the town? I hate when people say that something feels off and then can't elaborate why. Like at least quote a post of one of Cop/Darth and say "I didn't like that." Tone reads are fine, honestly just meta/vibes are fine. But at least put yourself on record and quote a post or two that made you uncomfortable/suspicious. Otherwise this is just trash that clutters the thread.


There's more wine in front of this post than there is wine in my glass, and hint hint, there's a lot of wine in my glass. Tbh this post was the first one where I thought "he knows he didn't play scum well last game, what if he's deliberately trying a more active style this game to avoid attention."


Why tf would anyone chime in when you haven't told them what's making you feel that way? The continued unfounded accusations and unsubstantiated suspicions are not working for me.

Page 25 is worth a reread for everyone, in particular look at the LS/Cop/Rayn posts. Rayn reads what's being posted and immediately comes to the conclusion that an LS lynch is a good idea. For those who don't want to click the link, I'll summarize. LS gets pushed on his comment about the Darth/Cop interaction Rayn/Cop get LS to say the thinks that there's scum between Cop/Darth. After some more pushing, LS says that:

Darth really made something out of nothing for no reason?

This was your townread bro, the one you said was the same alignment as you. And after rayn and copcake pushed you about the Cop/Darth being townVmafia you flip and say Darth is now possibly scum?

I'm just trying to work through this and here's where I keep coming back to the conclusion that LS is scum. He's got Darth as a townread. He says there's something off with DarthVCop. When pushed he says that it feels like TownVMafia (even though he initially said the interaction felt forced which is usually what people say when they're analyzing a MafiaVMafia interation). Once he says he feels one of them could be scum, he gets pushed on which one and he says it's Darth.... his previous townread.

I'll give LS a point, Rayn did ask him to choose and then acted surprised when LS said he was "forced to choose" but at the same time it doesn't really matter because he still chose someone he was townreading previously without any real progression.

Here's more status updates:






I could be tunneled again, it happens. But the random suspicions, flip flopping of reads, and the apologetic town/updates ... it just feels to me that LS rolled scum again and is trying not to get caught so quickly this time. I am open to all questions.

On June 10 2023 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
welp, posted without really previewing but LS never came back to that question about Chez which just reinforces my impression that he was casting random suspicions rather than scum hunting.

On June 10 2023 12:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok LS untunnel me.

I read the scum chat from last game. You were extremely active in that chat (and you can use that weather radar picture someone posted to roughly figure out where I live lol). You are a lot more active this game so the biggest "tunnel" argument I think I'm making is suggesting that your increased activity is scummy.

Who do you think is scum right now. DP because you felt he misrepresented Copcake? Rayn or myself because we've called you scum? You've got a 4 page filter and I don't know who you think is mafia. Help me get untunneled, give me some reads you're willing to stand behind.

This was last game:


The red stuff is the same vibe I'm getting this game from you LS, even with your increased activity.

On June 10 2023 12:44 Chezinu wrote:

A photo:



Look familar?

On June 10 2023 14:17 TankTopTiger wrote:
@Vivax
Assume (as I do) that DP is not getting lynched today. Who is your next lynch and why?

@LS
How did you learn to play mafia? Who from?

On June 10 2023 16:36 DarthPunk wrote:
Catch up post:

(I have been following the thread on my phone but I am using the 2 hours free time I have now to post in more detail.)





These posts make me think the cop cake stuff could just be a comprehension issue. I was clearly talking about myself posting less.

It does make me concerned that someone is calling someone out without reading/understanding? their filter cause I had talked about this on the front page as well.



This post is scummy to me, but I think LS has posted so much more this game than last, MZ states later that this could be a reaction to his failings as scum in the prior game, and that could be true, but do people adjust so fast? can LS adjust that fast? I'm not sure, following the thread I feel better about LS than last game at this point I guess?

I think he might just post in a way that is traditionally scummy. the real thing to look for is engagement levels, and they seem to be higher, but I also don't see him analysing things or scum hunting. Is LS able to do those things as town?



Find it weird that TTT did not read the post properly either.




Yep, either willful ignorance or straight up ignorant (see my big post on the matter)



How you ask? Its midnight, I'm phone posting in bed and I was drunk.

I wasn't sheeping marvs shit, I was saying, if Marv thought that, it would be reasonable for others to also think this, but yeah just misread it. Lol.





These two posts are absolutely not aligned, first is 'look i am participating I get whats happening' second is "yeah so confusing."

Actually LS is sheeping rayn hard




Then



Like rayn is clearly trying to get somewhere in the mess, LS is just trying to be part of it without actually adding things?



More rayn sheep. Pretty gross.


This post by Vivax is WILD!







This partis just straight up untrue. I never town read LS on face value, I call that post out for feeling crafted, and guess what, Copypasta. It was.




What questions? the one I did at the start of the game to get shit going? no idea what this means TBH



I never mentioned her lunch. the thing we both saw was a narrative of suspicions cast at me which relied on a super early town read of rayn that didn;t make sense based on the stated meta of her scum reading rayn.

And then she refused to elaborate on this town read.

Yeah shit post Vivax TBH.




Now LS sheeps vivax's take of the cupcake /Dp battle feeling forced. But its cast as his own idea?

He knows someone else feels that way, vivax just posted that exact sentiment.

Bad, bad, bad.




Wrong, its actually pro town (not that the case on CC is particularly forced IMO) I feel fairly comfortable taking heat from people and provoking activity at the cost of some mild defending.

I definitely have been the driver of a lot of activity and forcing people to take positions early in day one which is certainly pro town.

You're right in regard to me though, I could probably still do this as mafia.



Yep, that is why I scum read him for it immediately. lol.



Bad.



Initially I thought hapa didn't do enough to establish himself as town when he entered the game, particularly if he prides himself as being easy to read (and from memory this was very true when he was town 7 years ago)

But the second read through he seems better to me, just feels very relaxed.




The problem with this is that I don't think he read his role PM.




Agree at this point in my read through.



Bad.



Exactly.



Where the fuck did this come from?



Is this only for activity levels? YOu also thought he was town last game FWIW.

And were very wrong.



And it's only gotten worse as I read through I am afraid.



WTF?! Why the backflip.





Nevermind.



Bad does not equal scum. Otherwise Vivax is 1000% mafia in this spot.



I like DMB this game, not that I agree with all her reads, just reminds me of the end of last game a bit, like she is reading and comprehending what is actually happening. Not pretending to. Thats like 75th percentile play at this juncture.



Actually you were sheeping strong players. HARD.

This is just so not true.



This is the big reason to scum read cop cake, she was paranoid as fuck in the obs thread, and it makes no sense for her to say, I was wrong last game and now I think you are town.

I also think the way I enter games tends to draw out interest from scum trying to start a wagon on me, it's a great way of getting reads IMO.

On June 10 2023 21:23 die_meatbaby wrote:
CC is Town for me at the moment:
CC is Rayn's fiancée. She is pretty sure that Rayn is Town. You find it suspicious that she sees him as Town when she usually sees him directly as Mafia. To me it looks more like she's just Town. When you are with someone you are sure what they are hiding or not hiding. I totally understand her reaction to your suspicion that she is red. Actually, it's just the emotional bond she has with Rayn. Strong Townread or Strong Mafiaread is just normal reaction of Love. Eyerthing inbetween would be a red flag for her. I feel the same way about Vivax. Either I see directly that he is green or red. In the first game I didn't think that it could be blue.
DP looks bad for me
There is no specific post that makes him red for me, its just the way he writes. Feels different to the last game.
Vivax
I don´t know why but I have a strong townread on him (for now). Maybe because I was the reason he got lychend on D1 in game 1 and I felt bad after that, but still just see him as Town. He posts little bullshit in the thread but seems normal for me.
Chez
Chez is posting is always hard to understand for me. I don´t know why but always messge hidden in message or he posting english proverbs, that I as a non englisch person don´t know or understand and have to google it. This game he is makeing different trolls. different writing. Feels supect but still its chez ane he is hard do read so grey flag
MZ
It feels like you are here all the time reading along but staying silent. You have made 10 posts and we already have over 30 pages in the thread.
As a mafia I would also stay quiet and restrained.
LS

It´s not hate it is what it is.

Yeah together in the red team

Nice little hint from you for him that he get too suspicious.
Also you really try to push this DP and CC thing.

On June 10 2023 17:30 TankTopTiger wrote:
It's the only point in his favour, but IMO it's a big point.

Last game, he posted little and managed to throw his position hard, not just look scummy as predicted by his meta. This game he's posting a lot, so I think we get to be confident in catching him if he stays around.

But LS, this is conditional on you continuing to post a lot, and you need to post your reads that come from you. You keep regurgitating what other people say, or asking questions that are already answered. I need to see you looking.

On June 10 2023 22:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Who is mafia LS?