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I could lynch TTT. Really not a fan of how his reads have evolved over the course of Day 1. I think he has gone after LightningSTrike and CopCake very opportunistically, constantly, throughout the day.
On June 10 2023 22:48 TankTopTiger wrote:
##Vote: CC
I was holding off on voting because I felt too clouted up and didn't want people to wagon before developing reads. I'm voting CC based on her town reading Rayn from moment one.
I know DP IRL and we play together. We've clashed over these sorts of games before, and I fear those clashes more than I care about playing 100% optimal. But this never means assuming he's town. Instead, it means I give him the benefit of the doubt, and try to not be paranoid about "what if he's 400IQmafiabossing me rn?". While I expect different people have different approaches to how to play around relationship dynamics, I don't see a world in which the answer for CC is "just assume Rayn town".
Also, out of everyone, I want DP and Rayn alive D2. They were both crucial driving forces D1, and I have a green read on both. People upset about DP "forcing" and "playing different" should know that his claim of being time-stressed checks out (I'm verifying it now). His aggressive play was consistent between his pushing on Rayn and then CC, and makes sense given he's trying to contribute during the windows he has available.
I think this vote on CopCake in particular is egregious, because he is accusing CopCake of giving Rayn the "Benefit of the Doubt" while essentially doing the same thing with DarthPunk. Looking at what he has said about his DarthPunk read, it is essentially that he is "playing different" and that he has a plausible IRL claim, but he hasn't elaborated on that at all.
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I think all and all, I'm still on MZ and TTT as our best lynches for today.
Rayn, curious to hear your thoughts on both (and LS, since you clearly disagree with me). I'll note that I think TTT has effectively set up CC and LS as back to back lynches in his filter, similar to what you are saying about LS.
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On June 11 2023 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Idk about TTT, probably would not want to lynch him here, i think he had VERY townie looking early game, at least for me it looks like that. I'd have to read his filter again.
I agree with you, and frankly I typed out several posts on TTT with very differing conclusions (only to delete them).
My general sense of his filter is that he:
1) asks questions that go nowhere;
2) has fixated almost entirely on the "suspicions du jour" of the thread
3) has a town read on DP that he presents as developed but has not been at all
3.5) oddly enough, has this potential TMI slip with Vivax:
On June 09 2023 20:21 TankTopTiger wrote:
Vivax
Last game you were lynched D1 as doctor. Is there anything you plan to do to not get D1L this game?
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On June 11 2023 06:46 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 06:40 Hapahauli wrote:
I think all and all, I'm still on MZ and TTT as our best lynches for today.
Rayn, curious to hear your thoughts on both (and LS, since you clearly disagree with me). I'll note that I think TTT has effectively set up CC and LS as back to back lynches in his filter, similar to what you are saying about LS. Meh Hapa, I appreciate you trying to save me and all but you landed like a plane with no wings on this one.
Work with me here will ya? Happy to discuss CopCake all you want as long as I can convince ya to look at some different people.
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On June 11 2023 06:55 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 06:51 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 06:40 Hapahauli wrote:
I think all and all, I'm still on MZ and TTT as our best lynches for today.
Rayn, curious to hear your thoughts on both (and LS, since you clearly disagree with me). I'll note that I think TTT has effectively set up CC and LS as back to back lynches in his filter, similar to what you are saying about LS. Meh Hapa, I appreciate you trying to save me and all but you landed like a plane with no wings on this one. Work with me here will ya? Happy to discuss CopCake all you want as long as I can convince ya to look at some different people. I’m posting bro. What do you want? This game is fucking hard right now. Cause the ppl who look the worst to me. LS and Copcake are being town read all over the place.
Well help me understand, because to the extent that you have suspicions, they really don't make sense to me based on what you've already posted.
Can you just give me a quick, 1 paragraph summary on why you think either (or both) of them are the top of your list?
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On June 11 2023 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't really get how TTT reads Cake mafia, because whenever he talks about his read with me it looks like he doesn't konw what to think of her alignment.
I think he is pretty clear in this post:
On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote:
Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe.
Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in.
... I just have difficulty understanding how he reached that conclusion.
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On June 11 2023 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 06:58 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't really get how TTT reads Cake mafia, because whenever he talks about his read with me it looks like he doesn't konw what to think of her alignment. I think he is pretty clear in this post: On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote:
Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe.
Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in. ... I just have difficulty understanding how he reached that conclusion. Yes that's what i talking about. He asks me if me and Cake know each other, i tell yes, he says "oh i see how she can have a town read on you". same thing happens at least three times.
Hence the "opportunistic" point.
I read his filter and get the sense that he is seriously reading the thread (all that CC / DP shit is insane) enough to summarize it for other people. But the depth of his reads are completely at odds with the amount of effort he is presenting himself to be putting into the thread.
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On June 11 2023 07:03 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 06:57 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:55 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 06:51 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 06:40 Hapahauli wrote:
I think all and all, I'm still on MZ and TTT as our best lynches for today.
Rayn, curious to hear your thoughts on both (and LS, since you clearly disagree with me). I'll note that I think TTT has effectively set up CC and LS as back to back lynches in his filter, similar to what you are saying about LS. Meh Hapa, I appreciate you trying to save me and all but you landed like a plane with no wings on this one. Work with me here will ya? Happy to discuss CopCake all you want as long as I can convince ya to look at some different people. I’m posting bro. What do you want? This game is fucking hard right now. Cause the ppl who look the worst to me. LS and Copcake are being town read all over the place. Well help me understand, because to the extent that you have suspicions, they really don't make sense to me based on what you've already posted. Can you just give me a quick, 1 paragraph summary on why you think either (or both) of them are the top of your list? I mean not really. Ls I dont actually think is mafia. I just think his posting, sheeping and “one of cop and dp” are scum look bad. But I literally just posted my thoughts on him. Copcake: had strong reads from nowhere that she didn’t want to talk about and when she finally did the reasons really didn’t correlate to the Strength of the read. And I don’t think emotion and crazy posting like hers can’t be faked (I know because I can fake it myself) But I think Rayn is town and I am trying to find a way to understand his town read on her so I’m not sure she is the lynch either. I want to know what vayoletta actually thinks rather than the vague airy posting she has done. Cause she is alluding to an opinion on cake without actually sharing anything.
Respectfully, I think your concept of what is/is not difficult to fake as mafia is warped, because you are so insanely good at certain things as mafia (i.e. emotional congruance). I don't put Cake in the same category.
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On June 11 2023 07:05 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 07:02 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 11 2023 06:58 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't really get how TTT reads Cake mafia, because whenever he talks about his read with me it looks like he doesn't konw what to think of her alignment. I think he is pretty clear in this post: On June 10 2023 16:17 TankTopTiger wrote:
Yes you missed something. I'm red on CC since my conversations with Rayn regarding her. If Rayn had responded differently, I would have tunneled her. But Rayn is giving her the benefit of the doubt, which leaves me thinking she's red but I was willing to give her room to breathe.
Specifically, her thinking Rayn is green and basing her perspective of the game on that from moment one is super bad, much worse than all this other nonsense she's embroiled in. ... I just have difficulty understanding how he reached that conclusion. Yes that's what i talking about. He asks me if me and Cake know each other, i tell yes, he says "oh i see how she can have a town read on you". same thing happens at least three times. Hence the "opportunistic" point. I read his filter and get the sense that he is seriously reading the thread (all that CC / DP shit is insane) enough to summarize it for other people. But the depth of his reads are completely at odds with the amount of effort he is presenting himself to be putting into the thread. I don’t think he could be engaged enough to seriously keep up as mafia. Meta read whatever, trust me on this you have to give him time. He always always always is up for a lynch at the start of games, but just like last game he will be obvious later.
What is your history with TTT? Played on other sites, or is this just based on the TL games? Happy to take a look.
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On June 11 2023 06:59 CopCake wrote:
I am heeereeee (for a while)
Well, we're trying to solve the game. Mind helping out?
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On June 11 2023 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Truth to be told Cake can easily fake emotion and crazy posting as mafia, i jsut don't think this is it.
To be clear, I am not reading Cake as town solely because she is displaying emotion. I look for what emotions people should be displaying given the circumstances, and Cake lines up well.
Whereas, MZ does not to me (grandstanding on LS seems like manufactured indignation in context).
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On June 11 2023 07:14 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 06:56 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 06:51 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 06:46 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 06:40 Hapahauli wrote:
I think all and all, I'm still on MZ and TTT as our best lynches for today.
Rayn, curious to hear your thoughts on both (and LS, since you clearly disagree with me). I'll note that I think TTT has effectively set up CC and LS as back to back lynches in his filter, similar to what you are saying about LS. Meh Hapa, I appreciate you trying to save me and all but you landed like a plane with no wings on this one. Work with me here will ya? Happy to discuss CopCake all you want as long as I can convince ya to look at some different people. Do you think MZ was lying about being a bottle of wine deep and having personal issues?
No clue, but I do see the point that the tone can be explained by IRL things.
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ALso where did Cake go? Wasn't she here a minute ago?
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It takes more than 3 people posting to figure things out peeps.
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On June 11 2023 07:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I don't wanna lynch DarthPunk today. Whatever reservations I had between him and Copcake do not warrant a D1 lynch and to be honest I can't even remember precisely what I didn't like beyond tone. His contributions today have far outstripped the stuff from 24 hours ago.
I know your thoughts on LS, but where is your mind on other players?
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On June 11 2023 07:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2023 16:54 die_meatbaby wrote:
How can you already read someone as town or opposite? There are not even half of the player's here. I am waiting till other players write something as well not just Dp, Marv Rayn, CC and the two Troll Master I just really dont believe DMB writes this as town based on last game. Like fuck... no way.
Ah fucking hell more previous game filters to read.
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On June 11 2023 07:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 07:09 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2023 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Truth to be told Cake can easily fake emotion and crazy posting as mafia, i jsut don't think this is it. To be clear, I am not reading Cake as town solely because she is displaying emotion. I look for what emotions people should be displaying given the circumstances, and Cake lines up well. Whereas, MZ does not to me (grandstanding on LS seems like manufactured indignation in context). Literally all of your points against me Hapa are that you don't like the tone of my posts. Go read Marv's "analysis" of me last game and then reference my VT flip. I'm not gonna waste thread space arguing with people about my "tone" or whatever you want to call it two games in a row.
It's not a "fair" case and I don't expect you to respond to it. At the same time, I don't have a lot to go on from just about anyone, and your excessive tunneling on LS contributes to that. Just talk to me about reads, I'm around.
And I don't bite.
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Oh my god, DMB's first few pages in Endures #1 is... something.
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On June 11 2023 07:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If i understand correcty Hapa is saying that MZ basically took every post in LS filter and tried to make it look like everything LS has done is just straight out scummy, when that's never ever tha case no matter which player in question.
That and it seems like he's trying to pick a fight with LS. But at this point with MZ here, I'd rather hear what he has to say rather than re-hash the old points when we've made our positions clear.
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On June 11 2023 07:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
To expand on the DP stuff, I'm really not impressed with anyone on that wagon right now. I'm going to start rereading filters with copcake to try and unwind the shit from yesterday.
On June 11 2023 07:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2023 07:22 DarthPunk wrote:On June 11 2023 07:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I don't wanna lynch DarthPunk today. Whatever reservations I had between him and Copcake do not warrant a D1 lynch and to be honest I can't even remember precisely what I didn't like beyond tone. His contributions today have far outstripped the stuff from 24 hours ago. If LS is town who is mafia? In no particular order: Slam Hapa Vayoletta (Yes I'm aware I routinely say I can't read slam) I need to reread DMB/Copcake/TTT because I remember reading them slightly green yesterday but I haven't been as impressed with them today.
I'll give you your space to do your work, but these to posts don't really jive at all if your understanding of the game is that the DP wagon is suspicious.
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