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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 12:45 GMT
#1575
I guess part of the reason I dont want to lynch ttt is that if he is town he can find and lynch mafia later when stronger players are gone.

That’s a big asset to list unless I’m sure.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 13:17 GMT
#1576
Chez called TTT obviously mafia and then votes the person he has been tunnelling all game.

On June 12 2023 23:40 Chezinu wrote:
TTT is obv mafia, but should we kill DP first?


On June 13 2023 08:53 Chezinu wrote:
OK. time to series. seriously. Let start a keto diet. Step 1. Eliminate carbs.

#Vote Copcake

+ Show Spoiler +
Now, you just need to argue how your are the cop guarding the cake and preventing us from eating it. Then other may argue that there is no cake and that the cake is a lie. But others will say it just matters what is on the inside. Then I'll be like. I love strawberry cake.. raspberries... cherries...

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 13:23 GMT
#1578
##Vote: chez
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 13:25 GMT
#1579
Im off to bed be back 4-6 hours before Lynch I don’t know what you mean vivax but chez is fucking around with his vote this game and he did care more last game
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 20:18 GMT
#1667
On June 14 2023 05:11 marvellosity wrote:
If I read TTT’s filter I can find more reasons for him to be town than Vayo. I don’t know if that means TTT is actually town but I do think he’s a worse lynch


i think this is right and Vayo was reading ttt town from memory and now is all over that wagon.

##unvote:

## vote : vayoletta


"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 20:23 GMT
#1671
On June 14 2023 04:10 Vayoletta wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I feel like TTT tunneling Copcake is a deliberate way to control the threadstate by a wolf.

The wolves feel like they are in a comfortable position because I'm town here and the elim is getting directed to me. By pushing the thread into tunneling Copcake would create an atmosphere where wolves are able to sip martinis in peace as marvellosity and MZ get a pass.


This post in particular is bullshit since the wagon on Vayo formed after ttt stopped posting.

Trying to over explain a read backflip imo.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 20:24 GMT
#1672
On June 14 2023 05:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
tbf he probably gave up because DP is sucker for that shit and will do something stupid and save his ass..


The fact he acutely knows this is true is the only reason I’m not hard town reading him for it.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 20:25 GMT
#1673
On June 14 2023 05:23 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 04:10 Vayoletta wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I feel like TTT tunneling Copcake is a deliberate way to control the threadstate by a wolf.

The wolves feel like they are in a comfortable position because I'm town here and the elim is getting directed to me. By pushing the thread into tunneling Copcake would create an atmosphere where wolves are able to sip martinis in peace as marvellosity and MZ get a pass.


This post in particular is bullshit since the wagon on Vayo formed after ttt stopped posting.

Trying to over explain a read backflip imo.


Let’s talk about how disconnected from the game this post is please
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 20:34 GMT
#1679
On June 14 2023 05:28 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 05:25 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 14 2023 05:23 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 14 2023 04:10 Vayoletta wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I feel like TTT tunneling Copcake is a deliberate way to control the threadstate by a wolf.

The wolves feel like they are in a comfortable position because I'm town here and the elim is getting directed to me. By pushing the thread into tunneling Copcake would create an atmosphere where wolves are able to sip martinis in peace as marvellosity and MZ get a pass.


This post in particular is bullshit since the wagon on Vayo formed after ttt stopped posting.

Trying to over explain a read backflip imo.


Let’s talk about how disconnected from the game this post is please

Not a lot to talk about, you’re just right


Well I for one am outraged. Woke up early to read shit like this
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 20:41 GMT
#1681
On June 14 2023 05:37 Vivax wrote:
DP are you alright ?


Joking brother.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 22:22 GMT
#1703
On June 14 2023 06:00 Vayoletta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 14 2023 05:23 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 14 2023 04:10 Vayoletta wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I feel like TTT tunneling Copcake is a deliberate way to control the threadstate by a wolf.

The wolves feel like they are in a comfortable position because I'm town here and the elim is getting directed to me. By pushing the thread into tunneling Copcake would create an atmosphere where wolves are able to sip martinis in peace as marvellosity and MZ get a pass.


This post in particular is bullshit since the wagon on Vayo formed after ttt stopped posting.

Trying to over explain a read backflip imo.

Vayoletta elaborate please.


It's true that I became a wagon only after TTT stopped posting, but the timing of when I became a wagon does not matter. Reading early/mid D2 it was quite clear that I was becoming a wagon. Everyone expressed varying levels of suspicion towards me and if the D2 discussion would be inconclusive, the elim would likely just default to me.

Tunneling and focusing on Copcake would have most likely resulted in that scenario.


He has been focused on cupcake day one though when you were t a wagon so this still doesn’t make sense
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 22:37 GMT
#1705
On June 14 2023 07:31 Vayoletta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:17 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:01 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is MZ less likely to be mafia than marv?


Is this to me? I ranked from most wolfy to least wolfy, so MZ is wolfier in that list.

Okay then the other way around, why is marv more likely to be mafia than Vivax?
You realise aside from marv's read on you and vice versa, you are both entertaining the same scum team (Chezinu + TTT)?


Hapahauli's read on MZ makes him the clearest wolf on my wagon, but I do reckon that's wifom.

I also think that Marvel voting me makes sense with his progression, so that also takes him above MZ here.

Yes i can see that but why marv mafia over Vivax?


Vivax does not feel paired with TTT here who is my biggest suspect due to his handling of me. I could be wrong on this read though.

Why do you townread Vivax?


What specifically did ttt do regarding you to move from light green, (seemingly your last position before the next post in which you voted him) to dark red?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 22:43 GMT
#1709
On June 14 2023 07:37 Vayoletta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 07:22 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 14 2023 06:00 Vayoletta wrote:
On June 14 2023 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 14 2023 05:23 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 14 2023 04:10 Vayoletta wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I feel like TTT tunneling Copcake is a deliberate way to control the threadstate by a wolf.

The wolves feel like they are in a comfortable position because I'm town here and the elim is getting directed to me. By pushing the thread into tunneling Copcake would create an atmosphere where wolves are able to sip martinis in peace as marvellosity and MZ get a pass.


This post in particular is bullshit since the wagon on Vayo formed after ttt stopped posting.

Trying to over explain a read backflip imo.

Vayoletta elaborate please.


It's true that I became a wagon only after TTT stopped posting, but the timing of when I became a wagon does not matter. Reading early/mid D2 it was quite clear that I was becoming a wagon. Everyone expressed varying levels of suspicion towards me and if the D2 discussion would be inconclusive, the elim would likely just default to me.

Tunneling and focusing on Copcake would have most likely resulted in that scenario.


He has been focused on cupcake day one though when you were t a wagon so this still doesn’t make sense


TTT has had opportunuties to take a broader look of the game multiple times, yet he has decided to tunnel CC again.

Go and see how many times TTT has talked about me in his posts. Can’t tell a single example from the top of my mind.

He has avoided talking about me even though he is heavily suspected to be w/w with me by quite many people.

I don’t see the tunnel coming from town here. He’s hoping I get eliminated while he keeps his hands on CC tunnel to not look too involved - the idea of being paired with me is something that suits him and is the reason why he’d play like this as wolf.



Is this the reason you scum read him? Cause he is not talking about you?

He defended you from a mislynch if you are town. Does that not count. In his last post he talks about making you talk about how your reads are formed.

That’s talking about you.

And the more I dig into your reads the more I’m like ?????
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 22:43 GMT
#1710
Have you played this game a lot Vayo?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 23:18 GMT
#1724
On June 14 2023 08:02 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean like especially TTT's last game D2 was really amazing, he considers new evidence and comes to very reasonable and correct conclusions. This game is like he downgraded himself like 50 levels.


Why though ? Do you have the information to be the judge of that ?


Last game was good, but he also overperformed my expectations that game.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 23:20 GMT
#1726
On June 14 2023 08:03 Vayoletta wrote:
Like, DP, if rayn, Slam and Vivax all came into the thread with the worldview that you’d fit well as my scumpartner? What would you instinctively do?


Call them idiots probably.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 13 2023 23:33 GMT
#1731
On June 14 2023 08:29 Vayoletta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 08:20 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 14 2023 08:03 Vayoletta wrote:
Like, DP, if rayn, Slam and Vivax all came into the thread with the worldview that you’d fit well as my scumpartner? What would you instinctively do?


Call them idiots probably.



Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 08:53 TankTopTiger wrote:
Re: Vayoletta+TTT
I'm against policy lynching. This was a policy lynch. I've given my reasons and I think it's genuinely absurd to suspect someone for not wanting a policy lynch.


TTT’s reaction was not to even contest the pairing (note that he does not say anything about pairings and alingments) but to reduce the argument to be about policy lunching.

He’s not saying that I should be eliminated over him here even though he has said he suspects me.

It’s like TTT found the way to contest the pairing where he needs to say the least about me.


Or he literally only didn't vote for you over DMB because of his views on policy.

I don't even know why I'm defending him here, I literally think it possible he is mafia.

I just don't want to lynch him this phase.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 14 2023 00:38 GMT
#1760
On June 14 2023 09:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 08:54 TankTopTiger wrote:
I gtg, here's my take on vayo who I'm voting


I'm going to vote Vayo and not just because my survival depends on it. This is how I see them chronologically:
1) They lurk
2) I refuse to policy lynch them
3) They finally give reads after the lynch
4) The reads have very little justification. Spefically, Hap and Marv have poor jutsification.
5) I ask them to expand on their read
6) They ignore me
7) Other shit happens, I get overwhelmed and leave
8) They begin to suspect me based on me leaving, when in fact I am absent, after I tried to engage, and they ignored me.



Yeah Hapa was probably killed because his reads were bad, totes agree!!


That's not what he is saying.

He is saying that Violetta's reads on hap and marv have poor justification.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 14 2023 00:40 GMT
#1761
TTT are you going to actually play if you survive?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 14 2023 00:42 GMT
#1763
On June 11 2023 06:17 Vayoletta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2023 05:52 Hapahauli wrote:
Re: CopCake

Also not a fan of lynching her. She seemed to take genuine offense at being called mafia, which is an objectively townie trait. I take those emotions (especially sustained, over a long period of posting) in much higher regard than some weird sequence of posting early in the game.


Copcake is aggressive in a way that would come natural for town, but would have to be faked for wolf. Is Copcake a faker with a poker face or not?



On June 11 2023 19:06 Vayoletta wrote:
I was not aware that nights are talky this game, that's not how these games are usually played. Thought I'd use the quiet night to catch up with the game.

In my vision Copcake, Alakaslam and Hapahauli are all town. With Alakaslam that's more of the tone and the way he conveyed his thoughts early game that makes me read him town. Copcake's aggression makes me read that slot as town. and Hapahauli's request of clarification for activity rules here makes me think he has genuine concern on my slot, which would more naturally come from town.

Haven't read the thread for pr claims, but will need to check if there are any clears.

If Darthpunk is town, I would say there is a good chance that there is one mafia there. I don't think Copcake is mafia, so either Lightning or Vivax.

Copcake, what's the reason you voted DarthPunk?



This bothers me.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
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