TL Endures Mafia II - Page 13

On June 12 2023 22:47 CopCake wrote:


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On June 12 2023 23:02 Vivax wrote:


Meanwhile, Cake after opening his filter looking for a way to reply:

On June 13 2023 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Whoever said MZ is town because he cared about the lynch, is not making a very good read. MZ's targets were LS and Vayoletta. We know Ls is like 99% blue, so unless MZ is mafia with Vayoletta, this is very safe thing to do to "look like caring" when noone is on the line from mafia team -- and multiple people had even said they are not up for policy lynch.



In between here LS claims.

Now what is this?? His other lynch target drops a blue claim so he STARTS DOUBTING the only viable lynch in his mind ?????? Or is there something i am misreading in this post lol?

On June 13 2023 05:24 marvellosity wrote:
So:
LS - town, uncounterclaimed tracker, longer filter in less than half the time of last game. Emotionally congruent?

DP/Vivax - townreads to a lesser extent. I don’t really know what Vivax is on and my brain hurts, so likely town. DP has been the town leader (sort of in rayn’s absence a little), I didn’t understand why he was getting votes d1. Good play around the lynch. Read on Copcake feels genuine.

The rest is where it gets tricky.

Slam and Chez both seem to be playing similarly to last game. What that means for their alignment this game is anyone’s guess.

TTT’s play also has a lot of similarities to last game and at some point I thought he was pretty town for it. There’s something around how he’s treating Copcake this game vs me last game that I find suspicious though. Apparently last game he was happy to tunnel me to shit and tell me how poorly I was playing if town, seemingly purely based on his interpretation of other people’s interpretation of my play (?!). This game where he apparently has legit in game reasons to scumread CC, the tunnel is way more… gentle. Feels a marked difference. Something about the Hapa kill too (yes wifom)

rayn said plenty of smart things as usual and he’s had some pretty strong townreads from a couple of people (sort of blurring into one after a big read). But I’m not ready for that read yet, he is less town leadery than I would expect, a little more passive. I’m not ready to do much about it today, because he’s missing Koshi to bounce off and he’s been missing me to bounce off too. So it might all be nothing. But it might be something

Copcake I read as somewhat town for holding up to the pressure early game. I did agree with whoever said that there is a lack of alignment-finding-out-ness about her play, but then I think about some of my past games when I’ve been under a lot of pressure and I sometimes fall into the trap of just defending, defending, defending.

Vayo, bleh. Could obviously easily be mafia, probs in the same way some/all of you think I might be mafia in this spot.

MZ… I don’t disagree with the general analysis that MZ’s play feels similar to last game. But, ya know, townplay thay gets you lynched d1 (sorry about that) isn’t terribly hard to mimic either. I agree very much with what rayn said about MZ at the lynch. As an aside, I read a bunch of his past games last game, and he does just seem to be more aggressive now than he used to be.

Tldr; tomorrow I need to filter the bottom 3, and I need to interact more with the two above that.

On June 13 2023 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can legit tell you two things why i am not mafia.
DP is alive and Hapa is dead.

On June 13 2023 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Okay. Too bad, then i have to retract from my townread on you because it would be a good reads ost.

On June 13 2023 04:09 marvellosity wrote:
I’ve finished reading. Game isn’t very clear to me but I will post my thoughts after dinner.

On June 13 2023 06:07 marvellosity wrote:
DP, I understand what you’re saying about Copcake and the aggression, but defence -> offence is all part of the same emotional sweep.

I don’t want to lynch rayn either. There’s just a high threshold for me to townread a player like rayn (ie one that thinks similarly to me). So it’s either a pretty hard townread or I’m a wary marv.

On June 13 2023 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I would have put myself into a position where i find a scumread on you and get you lynched, then argued my way out of it later, just because why not. Then i would shoot marv because marv has like 10x better eye for figuring me out than Hapa and after all i looooooove bullshitting Hapa when i am mafia, it's pretty much the only thing i take genuine pleasure in when i am mafia.

On June 13 2023 05:54 marvellosity wrote:

100% is super high, so my curiosity is piqued

On June 13 2023 03:29 marvellosity wrote:

You have stolen my thoughts on MZ around the lynch

On June 13 2023 06:34 Vivax wrote:
DP aka MD ?

On June 13 2023 08:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ah okay, so no brainstorming much, since i leave work in ~4hrs. :/
I would have love to, since you're the only person currently, aside from LS who i can with almost full confidence say is town.

On June 13 2023 08:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This particularly bothers me a little bit. One of the best posts last game from marv was answering to "why would mafia try to lynch Vivax so hard D1?" with "because they can, and after D1 Vivax becomes very quickly very obviously town and mafia can't lynch him anymore".

It bothers me because i don't know why marv is not able to see that Vivax is quite obviously town. The read here in particular seems very half-arsed considering how Vivax has played this game.

On June 13 2023 08:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I don't really have any good reasons to think you're town other than your eod1. I am trying to figure out if it's possible you do that as mafia.

On June 13 2023 08:45 CopCake wrote:
Ok, this is tiresome.

Top town
LS
Rayn
DP (for mechanics)
Slam
MZ (after reading his filter correctly, his LS case is chef kiss but he is town, still his progression is fluid)
Vivax has some reads similar as me and he called out DP when he suggested that LS fake claimed, last game there were only two blues so I doubt there would be more? I think DP just find scummy things (I mean LS looked scummy in the case MZ made if you take out the tone read)

Mid tones

Marv: I think rayn has been more vocal than DP so his read is ????????????

Mafia

Vayoletta: I am sorry but you asked if I was able to do a poker face but your reads seem mostly… “tone”? It is the first time we play together this so I would be more wary if I was you.

Chezinu: Chezinu is always a wild card, but his vote on rayn from last day was riperino, he was being nice to dmb like “I will stop the troll for you” but when she died he wasnt sad, he was like yes! Another blue! Ahahahahahha the irony.

TTT: I think he is puppeterin DP. “DP, dmb is using nai on you”, I mean, this is a little of tinfoil but what if you also got that she was blue? There is that chance. You played with her and instead to see DmB in DP’s eyes you went full severe “she is scum” when generally you try to see both sides. (from last game)

I also think TTT and Vayoletta team would make perfect sense, considering he didnt want to lynch her.

My two cents.

On June 13 2023 08:50 TankTopTiger wrote:
I've got a large window in about 7 hours. Looks like my head is on the block and I feel like people are stonewalling all my questions so I guess I can't do anything but get interrogated and convince people that way. Leave me questions and I'll answer when I'm back.

I will say this: People are holding me to a standard from last game not realising that was the only game of forum mafia I've done any heavy lifting. I think it was my eighth game overall and I don't read games I'm not in. At around this time last game, VE was about as red to me as CC is now (for very different reasons), but unlike last game, I'm in hot water and my views don't align with what other people are seeing.

Marv you say I'm treating CC differently to how I treated you. Yes. You are considered like some sort of deity as town, so your lack of contribution is both a huge deviation from your town game, and a gaping congruence with your red game. You even gave up at one point which is something you're known for as scum. But also, comparing the time during the game, I was lynching VE at approx. this point. My tunnel on you came from extremely consistent accounts of your town and scum play born out over a longer period of time. IIRC I was cooking you D2 but wasn't trying to lynch. I deliberately tried to give CC room to breathe and she's done nothing with that room (I gave LS room to breathe last game if you recall, then lynched the next day or w/e).

I'm also trying not to do the aggro thing because I feel my biggest mistakes last game were made when I got my blood up tunneling you. When me and you were brawling I wasted an enormous amount of energy and felt completely unlistened to by the rest of the thread. You came out ahead in the eyes of town even though from the brawl I had grown more confident in my read.

On June 13 2023 08:53 TankTopTiger wrote:
Re: Vayoletta+TTT
I'm against policy lynching. This was a policy lynch. I've given my reasons and I think it's genuinely absurd to suspect someone for not wanting a policy lynch.