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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 08:28 GMT
#1251
On June 12 2023 16:57 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 16:54 DarthPunk wrote:
Do you find mafia the same way slam? The problem is that you played a really good scum game last game and that was basically through being amicable and town reading all the townies.

TBH I actually do. Even as mafia. And I know the feel and can dissociate as mafia. My read on LS last game felt real because it was


Anyone striking your attention right now?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 08:28 GMT
#1252
On June 12 2023 17:26 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 17:05 TankTopTiger wrote:
Re: DP
I wasted a lot of time paying careful attention to you. People seem to be sheeping against you and then for you, and I think that's a good place to look for scum sign. I'm not trying to put doubt on you, I'm trying to find people who pretended they had reads they don't actually have. I do not support a lynch on you and acted yesterday to prevent your lynch.

The little information Slam is giving on his perspective doesn't really add up. The read he initially had on LS was based on a C&P, Slam should have reevaluated but didn't. This is the only readable info on Slam other than baseless reads (itself bing a baseless read but with damning context).


Why doesn’t the slam stuff add up? It does to me.


His explanation makes sense
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 12:20 GMT
#1270
On June 12 2023 20:03 CopCake wrote:
Tbh now TTT and DP look worse in my eyes (DP get a bit of a pass because of EotD and would be too tinfoil)

Because they relayed on the word of ONE person, and a obvq in which I didnt called rayn mafia that much to make a whoooooooooleeeee strong read on me.

To me it looks like one of them or both took the opportunistic “rayn is a strong player let’s go from there” door and tried to grill me.



That’s not the only reason I think you are mafia.

I also think you are mafia because all you can talk about is me and, to a lesser extent, ttt and you are just revisiting and rehashing the same points over and over. you aren’t actively engaged in active scum hunting or doing basically anything else until you posted a very bland list post earlier.

Your focus on me started incredibly early, and your stated reasons for scum reading me earlier don’t really make sense.

Your entire filter is OMGUS.

That’s why I’m scum reading you.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 12:36 GMT
#1272
On June 12 2023 21:25 TankTopTiger wrote:
EBWOP
I mean that CC is incurious now when in obsQT she was pointing fingers everywhere.


This
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 12:48 GMT
#1281
On June 12 2023 21:41 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 21:39 TankTopTiger wrote:
Look at filters for D1 between last game and this one:
Endurance Mafia CC reads on D1 (from obs QT):
    *Rayn
    *Koshi
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *Slam
    *Chez
    *Chez
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DMB
    *vivax
    *MZ
    *DP
    *Koshi
    *Slam


Endurance Mafia II CC reads on D1:
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *Rayn
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *LS
    *TTT


These are approx. cos I did it fast, but should be fairly reasonable birds eye view of her actions. There's no flipflopping this game, only blind read on Rayn early, singular shallow reads, and tunnels on people who suspect her.


This is a lie, I called LS and Slam town.


That actually makes you look worse in my opinion.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 12:50 GMT
#1283
On June 12 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 21:41 CopCake wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:39 TankTopTiger wrote:
Look at filters for D1 between last game and this one:
Endurance Mafia CC reads on D1 (from obs QT):
    *Rayn
    *Koshi
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *Slam
    *Chez
    *Chez
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DMB
    *vivax
    *MZ
    *DP
    *Koshi
    *Slam


Endurance Mafia II CC reads on D1:
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *Rayn
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *LS
    *TTT


These are approx. cos I did it fast, but should be fairly reasonable birds eye view of her actions. There's no flipflopping this game, only blind read on Rayn early, singular shallow reads, and tunnels on people who suspect her.


This is a lie, I called LS and Slam town.


That actually makes you look worse in my opinion.


That fact you have only one scum read all game and haven’t actively suspected anyone who hasn’t suspected you make la you look worse to be clear
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 12:55 GMT
#1288
On June 12 2023 21:52 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 21:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:41 CopCake wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:39 TankTopTiger wrote:
Look at filters for D1 between last game and this one:
Endurance Mafia CC reads on D1 (from obs QT):
    *Rayn
    *Koshi
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *Slam
    *Chez
    *Chez
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DMB
    *vivax
    *MZ
    *DP
    *Koshi
    *Slam


Endurance Mafia II CC reads on D1:
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *Rayn
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *LS
    *TTT


These are approx. cos I did it fast, but should be fairly reasonable birds eye view of her actions. There's no flipflopping this game, only blind read on Rayn early, singular shallow reads, and tunnels on people who suspect her.


This is a lie, I called LS and Slam town.


That actually makes you look worse in my opinion.


That fact you have only one scum read all game and haven’t actively suspected anyone who hasn’t suspected you make la you look worse to be clear


I called you and TTT mafia 🤷🏽‍♀️



Mostly just me though.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 12:58 GMT
#1291
On June 12 2023 21:57 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 21:50 Vivax wrote:
On June 12 2023 20:03 CopCake wrote:
Tbh now TTT and DP look worse in my eyes (DP get a bit of a pass because of EotD and would be too tinfoil)

Because they relayed on the word of ONE person, and a obvq in which I didnt called rayn mafia that much to make a whoooooooooleeeee strong read on me.

To me it looks like one of them or both took the opportunistic “rayn is a strong player let’s go from there” door and tried to grill me.



I think DP came off as townier after review, but I wasn‘t going to proclaim that during night phase and his behaviour around Hapa flip seemed genuine unless he‘s pulling off HF style scumplay.

I take issue in this post that during D1 I had a similar perspective on TTT and DP having an associative component linking them and you keep perpetuating the same into this day expecting me to be an ally to you for the purposes of not getting lynched.

While I‘m over thinking that the associative behaviour made them mafia, I still think TTT in isolation can be.

To put it in simpler terms: Can you find arguments to scumread them in isolation? Because this looks like you‘re double omgusing without being clear about which one is the dishonest omgus and which one has a point.

At this point I think DP comes off as townier and TTT can be explained by being mafia who‘s hiding by attempting to be his shadow. Would explain the lack of suspicion on his part.


I think I made it clear that DP looks more town for the EoTD actions, like I have him almost locked town. I even changed my tone to him.


You just said I looked worse. Now I’m locked town??
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 13:00 GMT
#1294
On June 12 2023 21:58 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 21:55 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:52 CopCake wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:41 CopCake wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:39 TankTopTiger wrote:
Look at filters for D1 between last game and this one:
Endurance Mafia CC reads on D1 (from obs QT):
    *Rayn
    *Koshi
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *Slam
    *Chez
    *Chez
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DMB
    *vivax
    *MZ
    *DP
    *Koshi
    *Slam


Endurance Mafia II CC reads on D1:
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *Rayn
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *LS
    *TTT


These are approx. cos I did it fast, but should be fairly reasonable birds eye view of her actions. There's no flipflopping this game, only blind read on Rayn early, singular shallow reads, and tunnels on people who suspect her.


This is a lie, I called LS and Slam town.


That actually makes you look worse in my opinion.


That fact you have only one scum read all game and haven’t actively suspected anyone who hasn’t suspected you make la you look worse to be clear


I called you and TTT mafia 🤷🏽‍♀️



Mostly just me though.


This is true, I tunelled you hard for the “ooofffff” comment.


That’s fine but I think your mafia because you had basically no other reads or suspicions aside from that tunnel and adjacent to that tunnel

That’s the easiest way at to take activity as mafia cause you don’t actually do anything except argue and analyse everything one player is doing and try and turn it scummy.

You are t actually interested in the alignments of other players.

That is why you are scum. On top of the other things.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 13:01 GMT
#1296
On June 12 2023 21:59 CopCake wrote:
That EoTD, it would be kamikaze DP


After that happened you literally said I looked worse.

You put out a thread to see if vivax would bite and when he didn’t you backtrack fast.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 13:02 GMT
#1297
On June 12 2023 22:00 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 21:58 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:57 CopCake wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:50 Vivax wrote:
On June 12 2023 20:03 CopCake wrote:
Tbh now TTT and DP look worse in my eyes (DP get a bit of a pass because of EotD and would be too tinfoil)

Because they relayed on the word of ONE person, and a obvq in which I didnt called rayn mafia that much to make a whoooooooooleeeee strong read on me.

To me it looks like one of them or both took the opportunistic “rayn is a strong player let’s go from there” door and tried to grill me.



I think DP came off as townier after review, but I wasn‘t going to proclaim that during night phase and his behaviour around Hapa flip seemed genuine unless he‘s pulling off HF style scumplay.

I take issue in this post that during D1 I had a similar perspective on TTT and DP having an associative component linking them and you keep perpetuating the same into this day expecting me to be an ally to you for the purposes of not getting lynched.

While I‘m over thinking that the associative behaviour made them mafia, I still think TTT in isolation can be.

To put it in simpler terms: Can you find arguments to scumread them in isolation? Because this looks like you‘re double omgusing without being clear about which one is the dishonest omgus and which one has a point.

At this point I think DP comes off as townier and TTT can be explained by being mafia who‘s hiding by attempting to be his shadow. Would explain the lack of suspicion on his part.


I think I made it clear that DP looks more town for the EoTD actions, like I have him almost locked town. I even changed my tone to him.


You just said I looked worse. Now I’m locked town??


I also said I gave you a pass for EotD, and also said “almost”


so which is it? I looked worse or I’m almost locked town?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 13:03 GMT
#1300
Ok this is ridiculous.

I am voting Copcake because I can’t understand how she is not just obvious mafia right now.

##vote: Copcake
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 13:13 GMT
#1307
On June 12 2023 22:08 TankTopTiger wrote:
I think the vote is premature from DP. I don't think it goes through even if we get people on board rn. But I will almost certainly be voting CC if I think there's any chance of it working.


I can’t just not try to lynch the mafia standing right in front of me though.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 13:18 GMT
#1312
On June 12 2023 22:10 CopCake wrote:
Why in the world, mafiacake would fight two big guys?

Someone who has played with me pls answer that and talk about how I tend to play because these two say stuff that are lies or twist my words. Thank you.

I am the new Marv in this game.


I’m not lying or twisting words. if I am town like you think I am that is against my own best interests. Unlike mafia I actually try to understand peoples intentions and alignments.

You have no idea how much of a free pass I have been giving you these past days basically out of respect for Rayne read on you and to give you time and space to do literally anything else this game.

I have asked you time and time again to post about other things make other reads.

You have ignored me.

I legitimately feel that in all of our interactions the person lying and twisting the truth has been you.

And the fact you throw that at your stated almost locked town read as soon as they accuse you basically sells me on it.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 13:21 GMT
#1316
I can be the scariest motherfucker you have ever seen in this game and tunnel you until one of us is lynched without a second thought. you don’t know how have restrained I have chosen to be.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 13:23 GMT
#1319
On June 12 2023 22:20 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 22:18 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 22:10 CopCake wrote:
Why in the world, mafiacake would fight two big guys?

Someone who has played with me pls answer that and talk about how I tend to play because these two say stuff that are lies or twist my words. Thank you.

I am the new Marv in this game.


I’m not lying or twisting words. if I am town like you think I am that is against my own best interests. Unlike mafia I actually try to understand peoples intentions and alignments.

You have no idea how much of a free pass I have been giving you these past days basically out of respect for Rayne read on you and to give you time and space to do literally anything else this game.

I have asked you time and time again to post about other things make other reads.

You have ignored me.


I legitimately feel that in all of our interactions the person lying and twisting the truth has been you.

And the fact you throw that at your stated almost locked town read as soon as they accuse you basically sells me on it.


This is a lie.

When I wake up I will prove, again, that im not lying.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 13:24 GMT
#1320
On June 12 2023 22:23 CopCake wrote:
Btw you shouldnt treat me in a “special way” because of rayn.


It’s respect for his town read on you. Nothing more.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 13:27 GMT
#1321
On June 12 2023 22:24 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 22:23 CopCake wrote:
Btw you shouldnt treat me in a “special way” because of rayn.


It’s respect for his town read on you. Nothing more.


Obviously I respect you as a human being. In The game, the fact you are Rayns partner or a girl doesn’t matter to me. I show my respect by holding you to the same standard as all the other experienced players here.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 13:31 GMT
#1323
On June 12 2023 22:08 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 21:59 TankTopTiger wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:52 CopCake wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:41 CopCake wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:39 TankTopTiger wrote:
Look at filters for D1 between last game and this one:
Endurance Mafia CC reads on D1 (from obs QT):
    *Rayn
    *Koshi
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *Slam
    *Chez
    *Chez
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DMB
    *vivax
    *MZ
    *DP
    *Koshi
    *Slam


Endurance Mafia II CC reads on D1:
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *Rayn
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *LS
    *TTT


These are approx. cos I did it fast, but should be fairly reasonable birds eye view of her actions. There's no flipflopping this game, only blind read on Rayn early, singular shallow reads, and tunnels on people who suspect her.


This is a lie, I called LS and Slam town.


That actually makes you look worse in my opinion.


That fact you have only one scum read all game and haven’t actively suspected anyone who hasn’t suspected you make la you look worse to be clear


I called you and TTT mafia 🤷🏽‍♀️


How is this not what I said? You OMGUSed the people who were on you. And you tunneled hard D1. Last game it took you until D3 to even close to tunnel. You then suspended the tunnel D4 and jumped back on D5, so not even a true tunnel until D5!!


Chezinu called me mafia
Slam called me mafia

I didnt went hard on them?


Where did slam call you mafia btw. Didn’t he just stick a placeholder vote on you because I was a strong town read of his and was the opposing Wagon.

Did you just tell a lie copcake?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
June 12 2023 13:42 GMT
#1327
On June 12 2023 22:36 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2023 22:31 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 22:08 CopCake wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:59 TankTopTiger wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:52 CopCake wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:41 CopCake wrote:
On June 12 2023 21:39 TankTopTiger wrote:
Look at filters for D1 between last game and this one:
Endurance Mafia CC reads on D1 (from obs QT):
    *Rayn
    *Koshi
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *Slam
    *Chez
    *Chez
    *DMB
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DMB
    *vivax
    *MZ
    *DP
    *Koshi
    *Slam


Endurance Mafia II CC reads on D1:
    *Slam
    *DP
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *Rayn
    *DP
    *Rayn
    *LS
    *TTT


These are approx. cos I did it fast, but should be fairly reasonable birds eye view of her actions. There's no flipflopping this game, only blind read on Rayn early, singular shallow reads, and tunnels on people who suspect her.


This is a lie, I called LS and Slam town.


That actually makes you look worse in my opinion.


That fact you have only one scum read all game and haven’t actively suspected anyone who hasn’t suspected you make la you look worse to be clear


I called you and TTT mafia 🤷🏽‍♀️


How is this not what I said? You OMGUSed the people who were on you. And you tunneled hard D1. Last game it took you until D3 to even close to tunnel. You then suspended the tunnel D4 and jumped back on D5, so not even a true tunnel until D5!!


Chezinu called me mafia
Slam called me mafia

I didnt went hard on them?


Where did slam call you mafia btw. Didn’t he just stick a placeholder vote on you because I was a strong town read of his and was the opposing Wagon.

Did you just tell a lie copcake?


Is the placeholder, yes.


And you told a lie about chez too. Cause I just read both their filters and neither of them call you mafia.

So what are you actually saying here?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
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