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On June 13 2023 15:43 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2023 11:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also his Vivax read sounds like "i wanna say vivax is town but don't listen to Vivax just pls ignore him". You may have a more developed relationship with a town Vivax than I ever had. Possibly in the time after I stopped playing. If someone is in my top 3 town then I would expect to give their opinions some weight though (he says eyeing the vote on me…)
I am referring to what you said last game about Vivax, what you are saying this game is 0% that smart.
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It doesnt matter if my relationship with town Vivax is more developed or not.
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On June 13 2023 15:46 marvellosity wrote:
What did I say last game about Vivax? Something about tone and not lynching d1?
Genuinely asking, my memory is terrible.
Anyway let me read your case in peace before I get up for work
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On May 26 2023 00:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2023 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i have genuinely no idea why both VE and DP voted with the people they did instead of the people they didn't. It was not like Meapak was REALLY TOWNIE and Vivax REALLY SCUMMY in anyone's right mind. Quite simple for VE. If he’s town he just genuinely believes what he believes and he’s pigheaded about it. Nothing out of character there. If he’s mafia he’s very brazenly just mislynching Vivax because he can. Also not out of character. DP much less obvious.
On May 27 2023 09:10 marvellosity wrote:
By the way, and I don’t think this fairly obvious point has been made yet?
Vivax is a terrible day 1 lynch if his filter is okay, as if he is mafia bud filter is gonna quickly deteriorate. If VE is town, lynching Vivax D1 is a huge blunder.
If VE is mafia, lynching Vivax day 1 is the only chance he’s gonna get…
best posts you made entire game.
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On June 13 2023 15:55 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2023 11:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 13 2023 11:15 DarthPunk wrote:On June 13 2023 10:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Pretty much no meta. I think i have played with him two or three games where i have been town (and followed one). Every game i have super mega epic scum read on him from the start and every game he is town. Definitely no meta, lol  Generally he is more active, but I don't think activity is alignment indicative for him. He strikes me as a person who wouldn't be "scared" to play as scum, while i have never seen him play scum. His handle is a variant from his original nick he uses when we play Terraforming Mars, he changes it as a joke based on what we talk in discord channel ^^ I love terraforming mars. Have you played ark nova? It reminds me of it some how. Nope. One person in our group has it (irl-group) but we haven't had time to play it (we have combined ~300 different board games i think ) I need to book flights to Helsinki. And a car to Vaasa or flight to Stockholm and then trains and ferries like we talked about.
please do!
i will pick you up from helsinki or stocholm even.
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On June 13 2023 16:05 marvellosity wrote:
I’m running out of time this morning but rayn your case isn’t as clear cut as you think it is. I agree with various bits of it - to summarise extremely briefly, the stuff about obsQT etc is obviously bullshit, and agree with #4 in general too.
How am i wrong on #1, noone wants to touch that shit with a pole and it's the most damning evidence.
But the bit about ignoring evidence - TTT did exactly that to me last game, said I was scum for something to do with LS, I posted 3 of my posts in thread to easily disprove that, but he still kept repeating the same nonsense. It was really bad.
I am gonna look that up when i wake up, gotta sleep soon.
Also there is a language thing with the “twice as weird” bit, will try to explain later if you’re interested.
Please elaborate, i can't understand even when i look up "twice as weird", i mean like i get what it means i think, but i don't understand how he uses it there as town given his earlier and later posts.
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On June 13 2023 16:14 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2023 16:11 Alakaslam wrote:
It really is true that TTT was a bit obtuse at times last game, usefully enough to keep them around in fact.
Generally very clear headed though, not sure I want to lose that . Though we may have already I don’t think he is the lynch. I’d like to flip vayoletta or Copcake.
scum. just fucking scum
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On June 13 2023 16:18 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2023 16:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 13 2023 16:14 DarthPunk wrote:On June 13 2023 16:11 Alakaslam wrote:
It really is true that TTT was a bit obtuse at times last game, usefully enough to keep them around in fact.
Generally very clear headed though, not sure I want to lose that . Though we may have already I don’t think he is the lynch. I’d like to flip vayoletta or Copcake. scum. just fucking scum Your associative reads are really bad this game.
this has nothing to do with association. regardless of TTT's alignment you are most likely mafia.
On June 13 2023 16:17 DarthPunk wrote:
This guy is one of the most argumentative people I know. And he does that shit in irl mafia too.
So as exactly TOWN he gives up, not as MAFIA?????????
so gives up when he has all the time in the world to address the case he knows is not right
would not give up if the case is right and there is no way out
that's what youre saying?
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On June 13 2023 16:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Your case wasn’t as good or obvious as you seem to think it was.
fine. defend him then.
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On June 13 2023 16:27 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2023 16:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 13 2023 16:18 DarthPunk wrote:On June 13 2023 16:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 13 2023 16:14 DarthPunk wrote:On June 13 2023 16:11 Alakaslam wrote:
It really is true that TTT was a bit obtuse at times last game, usefully enough to keep them around in fact.
Generally very clear headed though, not sure I want to lose that . Though we may have already I don’t think he is the lynch. I’d like to flip vayoletta or Copcake. scum. just fucking scum Your associative reads are really bad this game. this has nothing to do with association. regardless of TTT's alignment you are most likely mafia. On June 13 2023 16:17 DarthPunk wrote:
This guy is one of the most argumentative people I know. And he does that shit in irl mafia too. So as exactly TOWN he gives up, not as MAFIA????????? so gives up when he has all the time in the world to address the case he knows is not right would not give up if the case is right and there is no way out that's what youre saying? Yes 100 percent this guy works in engagement and drops things all the time based on if he is engaged by it or not. When he is mafia in this situation he would be engaged with trying to deceive and survive.
You know, i havea huge problem here. Because like 10 minutes ago you were with me, and TTT drops a boo-hoo post (which in general i absolutely hate, either fucking play to your best or not play at all) you're all in "i know 100% meta i know rayn is wrong". It feels wrong as hell.
When he is town he is engaged by catching mafia and prosecuting cases so when he gives up post some reads etc it makes me think town.
has he been? i dont think he has.
I could be getting hoodwinked by him here. But I think it would be next level.
If you wanna call me mafia for not agreeing with you go right ahead.
I wanna call you mafia for first agreeing with me, and then do fucking full 180 for some random bs post a 6yr old could do when being under real pressure.
If I used that exact thought process I would have called you mafia for defending Copcake for dubious reasons long ago and not really engaging with the evidence against her.
There we are.
fine, call me mafia. my reasons were not dubious, go call them dubious and provide evidence please so we can see what the actual evidence says.
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there is no dumb shit regarding cc.
if you think there is please rehash your points and make them more clear because i cant see it.
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Vay, i don't think rehashing the situation around you and TTT will help much, since you would say the exact same thing if you are mafia with TTT (distancing). I don't think you have many options other than that in case youre both mafia.
If TTT is mafia, why
- is there only one mafia in your wagon?
- Why not two? It's not like anyone could blame anyone for voting you at the time they did..
- Who is the said mafia? General statements like "one of these 3-4 players is mafia" are not helping you atm.
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I am staying on TTT, i think it's the best option. I am around sporadically until deadline in case something happens.
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On June 14 2023 05:12 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am staying on TTT, i think it's the best option. I am around sporadically until deadline in case something happens. Did you see my post? Do you have anything to discuss with it?
Not really, it looks like you think he is mafia as well?
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On June 14 2023 05:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 05:12 marvellosity wrote:On June 14 2023 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am staying on TTT, i think it's the best option. I am around sporadically until deadline in case something happens. Did you see my post? Do you have anything to discuss with it? Not really, it looks like you think he is mafia as well?
The whole thing of not looking at evidence stinks this game more than last game. Last game he has probably misread something and made a conclusion based on his own world view (his own misreading posts / situation).
This game he immediately takes me saying "cake always reads me as scum when i am town" at face value, which is already weird. There is nothing to "read" there even. then Cake comes, posts a couple of her games and says "look TTT, here, what rayn is saying is not correct". He simply just refuses to even contribute to the evidence provided to him.
I find the situation in comparison to last game very different. In last game you could argue it's a matter of interpretation (while it's really not), but you COULD, as TTT think it is. This game there is no room for that.
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tbf he probably gave up because DP is sucker for that shit and will do something stupid and save his ass..
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On June 14 2023 05:23 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 04:10 Vayoletta wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I feel like TTT tunneling Copcake is a deliberate way to control the threadstate by a wolf.
The wolves feel like they are in a comfortable position because I'm town here and the elim is getting directed to me. By pushing the thread into tunneling Copcake would create an atmosphere where wolves are able to sip martinis in peace as marvellosity and MZ get a pass. This post in particular is bullshit since the wagon on Vayo formed after ttt stopped posting. Trying to over explain a read backflip imo.
Vayoletta elaborate please.
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On June 14 2023 05:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 05:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 14 2023 05:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 14 2023 05:12 marvellosity wrote:On June 14 2023 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am staying on TTT, i think it's the best option. I am around sporadically until deadline in case something happens. Did you see my post? Do you have anything to discuss with it? Not really, it looks like you think he is mafia as well? The whole thing of not looking at evidence stinks this game more than last game. Last game he has probably misread something and made a conclusion based on his own world view (his own misreading posts / situation). This game he immediately takes me saying "cake always reads me as scum when i am town" at face value, which is already weird. There is nothing to "read" there even. then Cake comes, posts a couple of her games and says "look TTT, here, what rayn is saying is not correct". He simply just refuses to even contribute to the evidence provided to him. I find the situation in comparison to last game very different. In last game you could argue it's a matter of interpretation (while it's really not), but you COULD, as TTT think it is. This game there is no room for that. The thing is I agree with you which is why he’s possibly mafia and not more likely town. But the similarity to last game is still there. The alternative does exist, I don’t think it’s as clear cut as you make out
Well resat of his filter is still just white noise, nothing ever leads to anything.
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I mean like especially TTT's last game D2 was really amazing, he considers new evidence and comes to very reasonable and correct conclusions. This game is like he downgraded himself like 50 levels.
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Why is MZ less likely to be mafia than marv?
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On June 14 2023 06:01 Vayoletta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2023 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is MZ less likely to be mafia than marv? Is this to me? I ranked from most wolfy to least wolfy, so MZ is wolfier in that list.
Okay then the other way around, why is marv more likely to be mafia than Vivax?
You realise aside from marv's read on you and vice versa, you are both entertaining the same scum team (Chezinu + TTT)?
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