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TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 10:06 GMT
#2324
No that doesn't make sense Vivax.

I am a desperate man regardless of my alignment. Fishing for an emotional outburst? Dude I have every reason to tunnel you rn and you're giving it to me. I need to tunnel someone to survive (ANI) and this should be pretty obvious to you.

You're strapping chops to your legs as you run through an enclosure of hungry lions looking for an "emotional reaction".

So if that's what you were actually thinking, that was recklessly stupid in a way you haven't been all game, at a time when we can't afford it.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 10:07 GMT
#2325
I think I`m clearing Slam. I think I can clear Chez. I can`t clear Cop, marv, DP, and MZ. But I doubt DP and Cop are paired. Stellar acting if so.


How are you clearing Chez?
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 10:14 GMT
#2330
On June 11 2023 01:50 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2023 09:23 TankTopTiger wrote:
I caught up but haven't processed it really, so I'm going back and reading it again. The thread is moving superfast IMO, much faster than last game. This will be good later when we have hard info to interpret today's events, but for now it's lurchy aggro in every direction.

+ I'm being town-read a lot, and I don't really understand why.
+ DP is different to last game but I want him to explain that.
+ I like the vibe of Haps approach.
+ MZ comes across as similar to last game where he was town.


This post felt okay on my first read iirc and awful on this one, it's a bunch of sugar sprinkles after a game state complaint.


Vivax can you explain how this post would be fine on your first read but not on your second? I can understand disagreeing I just don't get what was wrong with it from your perspective if it was fine the first time?
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 10:15 GMT
#2332
On June 15 2023 18:53 TankTopTiger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2023 18:39 Vivax wrote:
If you´re town, it will make more sense down the road.


So now I'm waiting on some cryptic bullshit from you, from MZ, and from Chez? Righto. Fun game guys let's all defer saying anything until it's too late.


On June 15 2023 19:14 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2023 19:07 TankTopTiger wrote:
I think I`m clearing Slam. I think I can clear Chez. I can`t clear Cop, marv, DP, and MZ. But I doubt DP and Cop are paired. Stellar acting if so.


How are you clearing Chez?


I‘d rather not say

TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 10:17 GMT
#2334
God I wish this game was anonymous so people would play instead of curating their meta or w/e. It's actually cancer.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 10:18 GMT
#2335
On June 15 2023 19:17 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2023 19:14 TankTopTiger wrote:
On June 11 2023 01:50 Vivax wrote:
On June 10 2023 09:23 TankTopTiger wrote:
I caught up but haven't processed it really, so I'm going back and reading it again. The thread is moving superfast IMO, much faster than last game. This will be good later when we have hard info to interpret today's events, but for now it's lurchy aggro in every direction.

+ I'm being town-read a lot, and I don't really understand why.
+ DP is different to last game but I want him to explain that.
+ I like the vibe of Haps approach.
+ MZ comes across as similar to last game where he was town.


This post felt okay on my first read iirc and awful on this one, it's a bunch of sugar sprinkles after a game state complaint.


Vivax can you explain how this post would be fine on your first read but not on your second? I can understand disagreeing I just don't get what was wrong with it from your perspective if it was fine the first time?


I could relate to one and three, but it fitted within your hands-off style approach you had at the time while DP was putting in the legwork. On reread I liked it less because it looked like you stylized it for self representation purposes.


Okay, thanks.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 10:20 GMT
#2338
On June 10 2023 06:21 Vivax wrote:
I‘m like 90% sure LS is mind boggingly town after a skim.
And y‘all thought you were good.


At this point in the game, LS was scummy af. 90% is very high. Do you think it was reasonable for you to read him like this at this point in the game? Why?
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 10:25 GMT
#2340
On June 13 2023 05:46 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Does nobody really see all the problems in this post?
On June 12 2023 22:27 TankTopTiger wrote:
Okay this is just going to go on forever with you getting more and more pedantic, and we're still a way off lynch anyway.

The case is:
+ CC made a blind read on Rayn early and based her worldview off it
+ CC is not paranoid when she should be
+ CC is tunneling with confidence she didn't express last game until much later
+ CC hasn't pushed anybody but the people that question her (OMGUS)

I'm gonna leave it here for now unless you have anything but nitpicks and telling me to read entire other games when I'm struggling to keep up with this one.

I'm gonna write this whole thing open in like 7 hrs when i get home but i believe this is purely and utterly 100% mafia post.


I‘m with you on that one.
Unironically


This wasn't represented in your voting behaviour. You also had a gut-town-read on Vayo but flipflopped around.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 10:26 GMT
#2341
On June 15 2023 19:24 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2023 19:20 TankTopTiger wrote:
On June 10 2023 06:21 Vivax wrote:
I‘m like 90% sure LS is mind boggingly town after a skim.
And y‘all thought you were good.


At this point in the game, LS was scummy af. 90% is very high. Do you think it was reasonable for you to read him like this at this point in the game? Why?


He lacked the shakey vibes he had as mafia. And he fought back hard instead of posting a baby seal.

That‘s the short version. But I could probably revisit him and dig up more. I just don‘t think it‘s very productive to discuss him at all.


That's fine. No need.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 10:27 GMT
#2342
On June 15 2023 19:25 TankTopTiger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 05:46 Vivax wrote:
On June 13 2023 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Does nobody really see all the problems in this post?
On June 12 2023 22:27 TankTopTiger wrote:
Okay this is just going to go on forever with you getting more and more pedantic, and we're still a way off lynch anyway.

The case is:
+ CC made a blind read on Rayn early and based her worldview off it
+ CC is not paranoid when she should be
+ CC is tunneling with confidence she didn't express last game until much later
+ CC hasn't pushed anybody but the people that question her (OMGUS)

I'm gonna leave it here for now unless you have anything but nitpicks and telling me to read entire other games when I'm struggling to keep up with this one.

I'm gonna write this whole thing open in like 7 hrs when i get home but i believe this is purely and utterly 100% mafia post.


I‘m with you on that one.
Unironically


This wasn't represented in your voting behaviour. You also had a gut-town-read on Vayo but flipflopped around.


Sorry just reposting so doesn't get buried. This is the last one.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 10:37 GMT
#2347
Okay, I just filter-dived you trying to build a case. There were misunderstandings and some things I wasn't sure of but those are mostly resolved. If you're scum, well done, but I don't think you are. Your posting is actually better than I anticipated, and better than I wanted it to be when you're not being pants-on-head retarded. I get a strong sense that you have internal logic even if you fuck up brazenly like you did thinking DP town read LS at the start of the game. But given you're not treated as some vaunted legend I don't think you can keep this level of activity up without doing worse shit than you have up until now.

The only real doubt I have is the terrible vote TTT post but it was terrible as town or mafia.

In an unexpected turn of events I see you as pretty green now.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 10:39 GMT
#2352
Vivax I'm building a team, and that team includes DP and it includes you. It also includes LS if there's no counterclaim.

Trust me when I say that any timeline in which DP is town, DP is abosofuckinglutely clueless and hating himself and at times others for it.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 10:48 GMT
#2359
Marv is not on the team if that helps.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 11:06 GMT
#2367
Vivax, had votes on him D1, had a lot of people calling him scummy for forcing against CC, has been someone that within reason could be mislynched.

Hap was a player who rocks as town and sucks as mafia, so a default NK.

Rayne? Well... I can't pretend his kill was obvious, but he is a good NK. He's a strong player, and people shit-talking him for his arrogance over the NK makes the wifom delicious. His NK was never not on the table.

While DP gets credit from myself, Rayne, Marv, he does not get that credit from others to the same extent that Rayn or Marv do. He's also been clueless (as have we all) as town, but he was leading a clueless town and that makes NKing him less useful.

So to me, DP being alive makes sense at this point. Happy to revisit if he survives the next NK. But there is no reality in which I vote for him today.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 11:10 GMT
#2371
On June 15 2023 19:57 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 03:29 marvellosity wrote:
On June 13 2023 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Whoever said MZ is town because he cared about the lynch, is not making a very good read. MZ's targets were LS and Vayoletta. We know Ls is like 99% blue, so unless MZ is mafia with Vayoletta, this is very safe thing to do to "look like caring" when noone is on the line from mafia team -- and multiple people had even said they are not up for policy lynch.

On June 11 2023 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 11 2023 10:41 Hapahauli wrote:
I really dislike that this game is just a shadow of the previous game. Feels like i'm just missing half my brain.

Well we've got 15 minutes, DMB, DP, Vayoletta, or LS.

On June 11 2023 10:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote:
Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have.

I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it.

I would rather policy. Worst thing that happens is Vayoletta flips town. If we don't policy, Vayoletta gets modkilled and we potentially mislynch a townie and lose 2 instead of worst case scenario 1.

In between here LS claims.
On June 11 2023 10:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LS... sigh. OK doubling down on a policy now

Now what is this?? His other lynch target drops a blue claim so he STARTS DOUBTING the only viable lynch in his mind ?????? Or is there something i am misreading in this post lol?

You have stolen my thoughts on MZ around the lynch



This post where he agrees with a read by Rayn whose conclusion is based on Rayns misunderstanding of the phrase 'doubles down' and is therefore tragically wrong.



Can I just get clarification here?

+MZ had two reads: Vayo and LS.
+LS claims
+MZ doubles down on "policy lynching" Vayo, his other read
+Rayn misreads this as him abandoning his second read
+Marv thinks this is a good take

This is what happened? Because if it is, this is super solid.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 11:14 GMT
#2377
How are you this smart and this stupid at the same time DP? Between this and 3postslatergate you just killed him dead.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 11:16 GMT
#2381
Like this is incredibly solid work. My only reservation is that you didn't slamdunk him the moment you read it but say it's been bothering you a while?

TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 11:19 GMT
#2383
On June 15 2023 20:14 Vivax wrote:
This push on marv came out of nowhere but I‘m happy to ride along for the time being.


Woah what possible reservations can you have? Why are you giving yourself outs this case is gold.
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 11:26 GMT
#2388
Has anyone played on a scum team with Marv?

Does he sort of take charge or let people play the game their own way? Is he the sort of scum that might encourage others to lurk tactically or anything like that?
TankTopTiger
Profile Joined May 2023
509 Posts
June 15 2023 11:28 GMT
#2389
@CC
What do you think of DP's case on Marv? No need to catch up rn we have a golden opportunity to talk
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