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On May 28 2023 13:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2023 13:36 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway I want to lynch Marv tomorrow, but I think it will be really hard. boo. no if youre town you lynch LS because that is something noone can derail. Then you fight with marv and get him lynched, or if LS flips town hopefully the town listens to me and they lynch marv and you.
I'll do this.
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On May 28 2023 13:41 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2023 13:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 28 2023 13:36 DarthPunk wrote: Anyway I want to lynch Marv tomorrow, but I think it will be really hard. boo. no if youre town you lynch LS because that is something noone can derail. Then you fight with marv and get him lynched, or if LS flips town hopefully the town listens to me and they lynch marv and you. I'll do this.
In this scenario I think it will be DP, Marv, Chez, Slam, DMB
If we mislynch me
it will be 2-1
with Marv, chez, DMB?
Fucking rough to get that over the line.
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On May 28 2023 14:19 marvellosity wrote: Great result with VE.
If rayn is thinking about pushing me now maybe i am wrong about DP and I have been mega duped by rayn. Maybe that’s why Koshi died N1.
Because I look at the number of posts rayn hard-reads me as town and now this? I don’t understand it.
You think Rayn is maf?? Really? Lmao
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Why would you have to be wrong about me of Rayn were mafia??
Could we not be both mafia together??
Doesn’t make sense
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Like last night I was mafia and now maybe you were wrong and Rayn is mafia??
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On May 28 2023 15:03 marvellosity wrote: No I’m not doing that TTT. If you don’t understand why I thought MZ was mafia from my plenty of posts about it, you’re not gonna get it now worth further explanation.
I think it’s pretty relevant at this juncture.
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On May 28 2023 15:22 TankTopTiger wrote: Vivax saying MZ was tunnely is not the same as you saying his case was clean or obvious.
This.
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On May 28 2023 15:41 TankTopTiger wrote: So DP you don't know what he meant?
Rayn do you?
I'm guessing he meant it was too careful? but I think he was just telling the truth, that the case was obvious, because he had been caught doing exactly that.
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On May 28 2023 13:52 die_meatbaby wrote: Good morning. One M less here. Still nice play VE GG. Have to drink my coffee now and read the 10 Pages I missed.
What are your thoughts?
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On May 28 2023 17:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2023 15:27 DarthPunk wrote:On May 28 2023 15:22 TankTopTiger wrote: Vivax saying MZ was tunnely is not the same as you saying his case was clean or obvious. This. Why are you so obtuse? Tunnelly only 1 word.
Thats what vivax was saying though, the thrust of the matter.
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On May 28 2023 17:59 marvellosity wrote: Just to talk about something else briefly, rayn and whoever else saying we need to lynch LS is right, the reaction stuff is still unnatural and his interest in the game just fell off a cliff which wouldn’t happen if he were town.
I think he is probably sleeping. Otherwise he seemed very interested before he went to bed.
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On May 28 2023 18:07 marvellosity wrote:One other thing, DP if you aren’t mafia and you think I am mafia then please treat me civilly. Because I don’t think I have been a dick to you during my read on you. We can easily shit up the thread for however long we’re alive by being dickheads but ultimately that’s unlikely to help town either way (unless you are mafia of course  ). Can we agree on that?
Absolutely, I'm sorry if it feels like I haven't treated you with civility, that was not my intention.
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On May 28 2023 18:11 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2023 17:59 marvellosity wrote: Just to talk about something else briefly, rayn and whoever else saying we need to lynch LS is right, the reaction stuff is still unnatural and his interest in the game just fell off a cliff which wouldn’t happen if he were town.
I think he is probably sleeping. Otherwise he seemed very interested before he went to bed.
Oh you mean LS nevermind
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On May 28 2023 17:50 marvellosity wrote: Okay. DP if you really are town then i see what happened, which is I wildly overestimated how rational or logical I thought you are. So you should take my read on you as a compliment.
OOF.
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On May 28 2023 18:07 marvellosity wrote:One other thing, DP if you aren’t mafia and you think I am mafia then please treat me civilly. Because I don’t think I have been a dick to you during my read on you. We can easily shit up the thread for however long we’re alive by being dickheads but ultimately that’s unlikely to help town either way (unless you are mafia of course  ). Can we agree on that?
Can I ask why you posted this, because I can't see the part where I was not civil to you, I can see the parts where you call me bad and obtuse.
Was it the part I laughed at your rayn scum read?
Not that I am annoyed, or upset or anything.
I just want to know:
1.) What I can do to improve my behavior
2.) where this is coming from
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On May 28 2023 18:45 marvellosity wrote: Someone somewhere asked me why I hadn’t said the same things about VE and DP in relation to the townreads, maybe MB specifically?
The reason is DP and VE are not the same players. VE is in a league of his own - in brilliant, crazy, and bad ways. He doesn’t fit the mould of what a “normal” player thinks like. DP does fit into the more typical mould. So if VE is making weird reads with weird reasons that feels quite normal to me. And a lot of people asked “would a mafia VE really do x/y/z” and I said yes he absolutely could… because he doesn’t fit the normal mould. If DP is doing something I don’t think is logical and I believe him to be a “standard” player my conclusions are going to be different.
Frankly rayn’s suspicions have completely thrown me, because I can’t understand how or why he’d be suspicious of me, at all, when I strongly feel we’d been trying to figure out the game together for like 4 days now. So either rayn is mafia (which I don’t really believe for the reasons I’m shocked he’s suspicious of me) or I’m so wrong on DP that’s somehow made rayn suspicious of me.
So it’s creating doubt on my read on you DP. Maybe (for example) your attacks on Koshi were just legitimate feelings, even though I could not see how anything you were saying could possibly make him mafia. Which is quite easy for me to fit into DP-scum narrative. But maybe you had crazy early strong townread on DMB, maybe you had “too many townreads” when I had about 2, maybe this happened because I don’t view the game in the same way as you do. Maybe.
Well, if you are town then this is probably a really good analysis, I think that I approach the game differently than the other veteran players, probably as a result of the last 7 years not playing, I feel like this group has really established ideas of what is good and why and what wasn't that open to other perspectives, although MZ and others read me town I don't think I played particularly well at the start of the game. VE for example owned me, but i also think you guys throw around calling people bad/dumb/mafia for being more correct or thinking differently really quickly and often.
If you are mafia though I think I did well catching you. So that's something.
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On May 28 2023 19:18 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2023 14:42 DarthPunk wrote:On May 28 2023 14:19 marvellosity wrote: Great result with VE.
If rayn is thinking about pushing me now maybe i am wrong about DP and I have been mega duped by rayn. Maybe that’s why Koshi died N1.
Because I look at the number of posts rayn hard-reads me as town and now this? I don’t understand it. You think Rayn is maf?? Really? Lmao It was this post (just had visions of you laughing at me in this way over and over which isn’t helpful) combined with your Koshi read. You haven’t actually been rude; I’m just being a snowflake.
Well, I know I have ruthlessly tunneled you in past games, so I understand being wary of this.
And unless you can explain all the reasons that have been given for you being mafia, I don't really think that 'Rayn agrees that Marv could be scum so my DP read must not be correct is going to do it for me.'
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On May 28 2023 18:45 marvellosity wrote: DP does fit into the more typical mould. So if VE is making weird reads with weird reasons that feels quite normal to me. And a lot of people asked “would a mafia VE really do x/y/z” and I said yes he absolutely could… because he doesn’t fit the normal mould. If DP is doing something I don’t think is logical and I believe him to be a “standard” player my conclusions are going to be different.
I also think this is not quite right, I have always been a more balanced player than others, I literally used to get into massive fights as either alignment, I would use OMGUS, appeals to emotion, Flame, aggression, etc. etc. as either alignment.
I definitely don't agree that I fit into the typecast strong townie that sacrifices their scum play, like Hapa, you at times etc.
I have always felt I have played scummier town as a way to balance my mafia play.
But anyway. this is all out of the game stuff.
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On May 28 2023 19:42 marvellosity wrote: I don’t understand what these reasons are? The MZ case on me was “he asks a lot of questions” but there was no attempt to discern anything further than that. His posting (at that time) was very clean. I don’t get what’s difficult to understand about this.
I don’t care what does it for you either, I’ve explained my perspective and if you don’t accept that, there’s nothing else I can say about it.
Nor did I say my DP read must not be correct, for the record, just that has given me a whole boatload of doubt I did not previously have.
How would you feel if someone you were strongly townreading and you thought was strongly townreading you suddenly about faced on you?
Do you really not understand the reasons as they are stated in the thread?
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On May 28 2023 19:43 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2023 19:38 DarthPunk wrote:On May 28 2023 18:45 marvellosity wrote: DP does fit into the more typical mould. So if VE is making weird reads with weird reasons that feels quite normal to me. And a lot of people asked “would a mafia VE really do x/y/z” and I said yes he absolutely could… because he doesn’t fit the normal mould. If DP is doing something I don’t think is logical and I believe him to be a “standard” player my conclusions are going to be different.
I also think this is not quite right, I have always been a more balanced player than others, I literally used to get into massive fights as either alignment, I would use OMGUS, appeals to emotion, Flame, aggression, etc. etc. as either alignment. I definitely don't agree that I fit into the typecast strong townie that sacrifices their scum play, like Hapa, you at times etc. I have always felt I have played scummier town as a way to balance my mafia play. But anyway. this is all out of the game stuff. It’s all game stuff though, it’s just another definition of meta.
It's all out of this game stuff.
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