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On May 24 2023 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Good morning y'all, I have completed my first read of the thread. I'm currently feeling pretty good about Koshi and that's about it. I was ready to insta townread VE then he stopped posting as much  come back friend. I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread. Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless. I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention.
Good to see M_Z here
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On May 24 2023 02:33 marvellosity wrote:
Also, Slam, as much as I’m enjoying your praise, I’m not entirely sure it’s helping me out :p
Fair cop, will stop
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Dammit I have no reads outside the one that, if you don't see it
You stupid m8
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Maybe 1 soft sr but
Seriously
I'm not one to lynch people for 1 post.
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Ok gotta back to work will ruminate on whatever I remember so I can be more use when I return
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On May 24 2023 04:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2023 18:51 marvellosity wrote:
I am refreshing my iPad more than I care to mention. And working hard obvs.
So how did the meta evolve since I last played? On May 23 2023 19:27 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 19:26 die_meatbaby wrote:
It's my first game, but I have a feeling that raynpelikoneet and Vivax are hiding somewhere. I probably would lynch one of them. Well rayn definitely isn’t hiding, so what do you mean?[/QUOTE Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 19:30 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 19:29 die_meatbaby wrote:
Don't know they always writing in the same minute. Feel suspicious to me What’s your theory on why mafia might do that? Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 19:49 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 19:36 die_meatbaby wrote:
The mafia talks to the other mafia right? On Discord or somewhere else and this two always answering at the same time here. If you were mafia, would you post at the same time on this thread if you were discussing the game with your mafia buddies on Discord at the same time? Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 19:50 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 19:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 19:46 DarthPunk wrote:On May 23 2023 19:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 19:40 Koshi wrote:
Personally I would vote Vivax. He got you into this game, only fair you vote him out. Balanced. I think she got 2 out of 2 wrong though. Why do you think this?? Because i think Vivax is town. I know I ignored your question to me, but why? Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 21:11 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 20:38 DarthPunk wrote:On May 23 2023 20:18 marvellosity wrote:
It has to be the plan to get meatbaby to explain their thoughts wherever possible. If town, will eliminate a lynch that mafia will have pencilled in. If not, great. Is this a serious point? If so can you expand upon your thinking here? Of course it’s serious, and it’s self explanatory. Which bit aren’t you getting? Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote:
The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever. I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway  - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening. If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved? Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote:
The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever. I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening. If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved? I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end. What's your opinion on people now? Tell me what the point is then You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say. How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me? Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 21:32 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote:[quote] I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening. If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved? I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end. What's your opinion on people now? Tell me what the point is then You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say. How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me? Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work. If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it. If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI. You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit? I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree? Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 21:39 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:32 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote:
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Tell me what the point is then You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say. How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me? Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work. If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it. If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI. You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit? I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree? I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible. If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her? Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 21:45 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:39 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:32 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote:
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How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me? Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work. If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it. If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI. You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit? I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree? I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible. If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her? I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta If it’s not plausible, then you should be sure? If it is plausible (which it is) then I’m right. Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 21:49 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote:On May 23 2023 21:47 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote:
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Tell me what the point is then You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say. How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me? Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work. If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it. If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI. Would you want me to be lynched right now? “Which thankfully I’m not” If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess. Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 22:22 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 22:20 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 23 2023 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 22:10 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 23 2023 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:55 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:45 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:[quote] I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta If it’s not plausible, then you should be sure? If it is plausible (which it is) then I’m right. I am sorry if i am not that good at english. I think there is a possibility Vivax and die_meatballs had such an interaction somewhere before, she thinks Vivax is mafia now without a doubt. I just dont thin it is likely, but still i would like her to explain her stance before i cast my (even first) vote. Goodio? It wasn’t quite what I was getting at though. What I meant is I can envisage that a town MB could treat Vivax in this way based on their general relationship outside of this thread. And she probably is. I don't think the poker thing in her post is a lie for a second. But if and *when* that is NOT a lie, she should be aware (as a gambler/at least gamer) that she can't figure out Vivax as mafia without any reasoning at all. I guess this might change if she GAVE the reasoning, but apparently she is unwilling to, while asked multiple times. I already explained why I think you and Vivax are mafia. In the first few pages you can see that you too where always answering at the same time and being off at the same time. So I only can think of you too where writing your plans on discord how you can hide. I still not sure who is the 3th mafia member, but we will find out. So you think me and Vivax were writing our thoughts on the thread at the same time because we were wrting also onb discord on how to hide? And you after that said you are sure Vivax is mafia, like completely and utterly sure. Why does that not apply to me as per your earlier investigations? And how are you so sure? You two stopped writing here for the same time, looked like you two where both something doing for the same 10 min and coming back here at the same time. I just preferred to vote Vivax out first because he brought me in this game. Have you entertained the possibility of coincidence? Marv the socratic method only works if you actually come up with a conclusion: It doesn't feel like you're trying to draw out reasoning, it feels like you're just filling space by asking questions and then not really offering interpretations on the answers you get. You've had several people respond to your questions and rather than make meaning of the information that they've given you just continue asking questions. I'm all for asking questions but at some point your posts just start to sound like this: Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 22:10 marvellosity wrote:
If I had to answer the question, it’s a lot of text to not say very much or actively silly stuff about killing lurkers. Text for the sake of writing text. It's really funny to me that you wrote this post because I absolutely hate when people do what you're talking about, I call it Contributing Without Contributing and I consider it a fairly decent scumtell for most players, regardless of how experienced or inexperienced they are. Given the fact that you really haven't come to any real conclusions based on your questions, it's starting to feel as though they're simply a method to create the appearance of activity without having to actually provide concrete reads or say something of substance. I really wouldn't have a problem with constant questions if you did something with it but you still haven't generated any real reads from it which is a warning sign to me. Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote:
The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever. I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening. If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved? I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end. What's your opinion on people now? Tell me what the point is then You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say. How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me? Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work. If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it. If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI. Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 21:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:56 DarthPunk wrote:On May 23 2023 21:49 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote:On May 23 2023 21:47 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote:
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How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me? Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work. If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it. If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI. Would you want me to be lynched right now? “Which thankfully I’m not” If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess. Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol Nah a vote and a lynch are not the same and I want to nail you down on taking a position. Also I think it’s wrong, obviously, I know I am town so when you are wrong I want to understand why you are wrong.I also think it just doesn’t make much sense as a lynch because I have been active and participatory, up until this point and if I was mafia, or not then it should become really evident. I can see the rational for saying you would vote for me as your best read, but if I were to kill someone now it would likely be someone less active. I might try and vote an active player for pressure and to generate positions and information. But that’s not the same as who I would remove right now, I’d probably zap a lurker if I was forced to kill someone right now. All a bit weak sauce, the whole post. Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 22:39 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv do you think DP is mafia or town atm? Don’t know This line of posts bothers me because it feels like you're setting up for a soft push on DarthPunk but you're not willing to actually stand behind it. You constantly undercut your own read, to me that's scummy. Either stand behind your read or don't reveal it until you have more certainty, otherwise it feels like mafia leaving behind little post-it notes to muddle up the thread, you'll be easily positioned to vote DP but you'll never have to accept responsibility if he flips green. Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 02:31 marvellosity wrote:On May 24 2023 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Good morning y'all, I have completed my first read of the thread. I'm currently feeling pretty good about Koshi and that's about it. I was ready to insta townread VE then he stopped posting as much come back friend. I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread. Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless.I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention. Given my activity trying to draw MB out on their reasoning, these 2 don’t mesh so well. It's funny that you bring up your questioning as a defense because that's exactly what I was expecting to hear when I was first reading the thread. I'll reference back to my earlier point that your activity hasn't been really pro-town and more an attempt to look involved without having to put your neck on the line. And as to those points not meshing... the discussion was useful because it revealed you as being useless. + Show Spoiler +useless in the context of the game <3
But I <3 Socrate-
Oh shit shutting up (sorry, Socrates!)
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Ok now I know not to invite Jiyu to do this
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On May 24 2023 10:11 DarthPunk wrote:Catch up post:Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 23:32 LightningStrike wrote:
Hey I was busy last night and didn't check to see if the game started and caught up now!
Marv looks town to me? I think he would of folded as mafia considering he is known for that given the pressure he was getting from DP but he continued posting his thoughts like I remembered how he was in XXX in 2015. You don't think it is possible that scum!marv would be able to post under pressure. I also remember Marv just folding as scum a few times back in the day, but I always considered that a symptom of burnout more than anything else because I also recall some monster scum games from him. Is there any other reason that marv looks town to you? Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 23:32 LightningStrike wrote:
DP I didn't like his early posting towards Marv (Even suggesting Marv is mafia??) and then gave a hard townread on dmb?
I don't like this because it feels like it is a gross simplification of what actually happened and ignores a lot of the nuance. I feel like I have been fairly open with my thought processes and ideas as they have changed, so I am unsure how this is genuinely where you could land in your analysis. Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 00:11 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 23:35 Koshi wrote:On May 23 2023 23:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 23 2023 23:02 Koshi wrote:On May 23 2023 22:59 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 23 2023 22:40 DarthPunk wrote:
I think Marv is town for the record. Me too. Most people here were directly at the beginning going hard on him, with almost no reason. Like you on Vivax and rayn? It seems like you guys stucking in an old game here where he maby scammed you hard und you still angry or scared of him. New game new Mafia... nope She’s bang on, I thought….. lol. Its a trauma response. Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 00:15 Koshi wrote:On May 24 2023 00:07 Vivax wrote:On May 23 2023 23:37 Koshi wrote:On May 23 2023 23:35 Koshi wrote:On May 23 2023 23:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 23 2023 23:02 Koshi wrote:On May 23 2023 22:59 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 23 2023 22:40 DarthPunk wrote:
I think Marv is town for the record. Me too. Most people here were directly at the beginning going hard on him, with almost no reason. Like you on Vivax and rayn? It seems like you guys stucking in an old game here where he maby scammed you hard und you still angry or scared of him. New game new Mafia... nope Mafia Vivax is not scary at all. She‘s talking about marv though  Ah true. Marv probably told her in Discord. Brb checking their posting times. Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 00:16 Koshi wrote:On May 24 2023 00:15 Koshi wrote:On May 24 2023 00:07 Vivax wrote:On May 23 2023 23:37 Koshi wrote:On May 23 2023 23:35 Koshi wrote:On May 23 2023 23:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 23 2023 23:02 Koshi wrote:On May 23 2023 22:59 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 23 2023 22:40 DarthPunk wrote:
I think Marv is town for the record. Me too. Most people here were directly at the beginning going hard on him, with almost no reason. Like you on Vivax and rayn? It seems like you guys stucking in an old game here where he maby scammed you hard und you still angry or scared of him. New game new Mafia... nope Mafia Vivax is not scary at all. She‘s talking about marv though Ah true. Marv probably told her in Discord. Brb checking their posting times. Checked it. They post at different times and ignore each other to make it less obvious they are plotting on Discord. I don't think this is helpful. I would rather see some empathetic engagement and give her some space to do other things. Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 02:40 Alakaslam wrote:
Dammit I have no reads outside the one that, if you don't see it
You stupid m8 I am really struggling with posts like this in this game. I get the need to flex and what have you but don't you think making your reads and reasoning clear for others is an important part of town play? I just want people to share a clear position with shared reasoning and then have that either stand up to scrutiny or not. Otherwise I will just keep asking apparently stupid questions. Such as: what read is this? why is it so obvious? Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 02:43 Alakaslam wrote:
Maybe 1 soft sr but
Seriously
I'm not one to lynch people for 1 post. What post are you referring to? This is really unhelpful, i'd love to be able to understand your thought processes but I just can't without enough information. QUOTE] On May 24 2023 02:46 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Good morning y'all, I have completed my first read of the thread. I'm currently feeling pretty good about Koshi and that's about it. I was ready to insta townread VE then he stopped posting as much come back friend. I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread. Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless. I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention. Your mb and Marv read stuff seem to contradict each other? Vivax though seems pretty townie atm. Why is he unimpressive to you?
What makes vivax seem pretty townie to you?
On May 24 2023 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not sure I'll ever get used to being able to read the whole thread over the course of one cigarette. Not sure if good thing or bad thing, I guess we'll find out come D2 or 3.
1) [UoN]Sentinel
2) Alakaslam
3) Chezinu
4) Vivax
5) LightningStrike
6) DarthPunk
7) Onegu
8) Koshi
9) die_meatbaby
10) raynpelikoneet
11) Meapak_Ziphh
12) marvellosity
13) VisceraEyes
I think there's exactly one mafia inside marv/DP but I don't know which and I don't want to lynch either today. I'm leaning toward DP being the maf based on interactions with not-marv.
I hate this.
On May 24 2023 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think mayor today should be DMB. The discord stuff is about Viv and rayn right? I disagree with his reasoning, but it feels SOOOOOOOO townie, like...newer mafia would be scared to even MENTION Discord right? IDK meta is meta but I'd follow meat anywhere this phase. Including (ugh) onto one of my townreads.
MZ town for wanting to townread me. That's a town thing to want. I have a lot of townreads, so I think there's at least 1, maybe 2 mafia in the lurking class. I think a D1 lurker lynch is in order, my vote will reflect that.
I really don't like this post VE. first of all, we have similar reasons to read DMB as town, and you have a really strong town read on her, generally when people say things that I agree with I lean toward them being town, not mafia.
Secondly I don't understand why if you think one of Marv or myself is mafia that you would not want to lynch one of us.
On May 24 2023 03:47 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not sure I'll ever get used to being able to read the whole thread over the course of one cigarette. Not sure if good thing or bad thing, I guess we'll find out come D2 or 3.
1) [UoN]Sentinel
2) Alakaslam
3) Chezinu
4) Vivax
5) LightningStrike
6) DarthPunk
7) Onegu
8) Koshi
9) die_meatbaby
10) raynpelikoneet
11) Meapak_Ziphh
12) marvellosity
13) VisceraEyes
I think there's exactly one mafia inside marv/DP but I don't know which and I don't want to lynch either today. I'm leaning toward DP being the maf based on interactions with not-marv.
I think mayor today should be DMB. The discord stuff is about Viv and rayn right? I disagree with his reasoning, but it feels SOOOOOOOO townie, like...newer mafia would be scared to even MENTION Discord right? IDK meta is meta but I'd follow meat anywhere this phase. Including (ugh) onto one of my townreads.
MZ town for wanting to townread me. That's a town thing to want. I have a lot of townreads, so I think there's at least 1, maybe 2 mafia in the lurking class. I think a D1 lurker lynch is in order, my vote will reflect that. So you’d follow a newbie you are pretty sure is townie over a vet (yourself) who you presumably know is townie? Okay VE
On May 24 2023 03:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you don want to lynch EITHER of your scumreads, but instead follow a total newbie even onto one of your townreads?
Also this.
@VE was that hyperbole or would you actually just vote whoever meat baby decides?
On May 24 2023 04:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 04:34 marvellosity wrote:On May 24 2023 04:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 24 2023 02:46 LightningStrike wrote:On May 24 2023 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Good morning y'all, I have completed my first read of the thread. I'm currently feeling pretty good about Koshi and that's about it. I was ready to insta townread VE then he stopped posting as much come back friend. I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread. Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless. I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention. Your mb and Marv read stuff seem to contradict each other? Vivax though seems pretty townie atm. Why is he unimpressive to you? I don't think so at all, the MB discussion provided plenty of opportunities for people to come up with reads (again I'm in the "slight town" category) but Marv just danced around and asked questions rather than provide reads. So yes, the conversation was productive and Marv was also a useless part of it. You realise getting someone to give answers - by asking questions - is what allows others to make reads? It's not your job to make reads for others, its your job as a townie to come up with your own reads based on the thread as you read it. If you're asking questions it should be with the intention of refining or correcting your own reads. You still haven't been able to provide even one "I think I'm leaning scum on person X" post that you're willing to stand behind. DarthPunk doesn't count because you're not willing to stand behind it.
Do you think it is more likely that mafia or town would seem indecisive? I think it would have been fairly straightforward for scum!marv to have called me mafia based on my weak posts, instead he said he didn't know and seems orientated toward information gathering which is a pretty townie place to be day one. ( representing genuine inquisitiveness is hard to fake)
On May 24 2023 04:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 24 2023 04:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 24 2023 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not sure I'll ever get used to being able to read the whole thread over the course of one cigarette. Not sure if good thing or bad thing, I guess we'll find out come D2 or 3.
1) [UoN]Sentinel
2) Alakaslam
3) Chezinu
4) Vivax
5) LightningStrike
6) DarthPunk
7) Onegu
8) Koshi
9) die_meatbaby
10) raynpelikoneet
11) Meapak_Ziphh
12) marvellosity
13) VisceraEyes
I think there's exactly one mafia inside marv/DP but I don't know which and I don't want to lynch either today. I'm leaning toward DP being the maf based on interactions with not-marv.
I think mayor today should be DMB. The discord stuff is about Viv and rayn right? I disagree with his reasoning, but it feels SOOOOOOOO townie, like...newer mafia would be scared to even MENTION Discord right? IDK meta is meta but I'd follow meat anywhere this phase. Including (ugh) onto one of my townreads.
MZ town for wanting to townread me. That's a town thing to want. I have a lot of townreads, so I think there's at least 1, maybe 2 mafia in the lurking class. I think a D1 lurker lynch is in order, my vote will reflect that. Ok let's walk through this so that I understand. You say that there's one mafia between Marv/DarthPunk and it's probably DP, does that mean you'd want to lynch Marv if DP flipped town? I'm always a little hesitant to accept reasoning like that. Right now I've got a slight town read on DP but if we lynched Marv and he flipped green, I don't think that would necessarily be alignment indicative to DP. I'm not usually one to draw it out like that either, that's just how I'm seeing things now...and like I said it's kinda moot right now because I don't want to lynch either of them. They're both maf players that will help me catch their teammates at least early on, so I'm into letting them. That reasoning is....commonplace, so marv taking issue with it is...interesting. He REALLY don't like the idea of lynching into lurkers it seems, which makes me WAAAAAAY more into doing so. Like I said, he helping me out :D Hmmm ok I can't townread you anymore. This is... not great if you think someone is mafia, even if they're the most mafia ever and it's gonna be a quiet day because they're so obvious there won't be much discussion, you still lynch the people you are sure are scum. Like if you believe marv is mafia you should be wanting to lynch him ASAP even if for some reason you feel his anti lurker lynching stance is helping you.
@Marv: is this the kind of nonsense you referred to VE starting out with?
On May 24 2023 04:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 04:46 marvellosity wrote:On May 24 2023 04:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 24 2023 04:34 marvellosity wrote:On May 24 2023 04:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 24 2023 02:46 LightningStrike wrote:On May 24 2023 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Good morning y'all, I have completed my first read of the thread. I'm currently feeling pretty good about Koshi and that's about it. I was ready to insta townread VE then he stopped posting as much come back friend. I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread. Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless. I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention. Your mb and Marv read stuff seem to contradict each other? Vivax though seems pretty townie atm. Why is he unimpressive to you? I don't think so at all, the MB discussion provided plenty of opportunities for people to come up with reads (again I'm in the "slight town" category) but Marv just danced around and asked questions rather than provide reads. So yes, the conversation was productive and Marv was also a useless part of it. You realise getting someone to give answers - by asking questions - is what allows others to make reads? It's not your job to make reads for others, its your job as a townie to come up with your own reads based on the thread as you read it. If you're asking questions it should be with the intention of refining or correcting your own reads. You still haven't been able to provide even one "I think I'm leaning scum on person X" post that you're willing to stand behind. DarthPunk doesn't count because you're not willing to stand behind it. It’s not a townie’s job to help other townies make reads. Better to leave them in the dark. Got it MZ👌 I’m aware this is incredibly WIFOM, but do you not think a mafia marv is capable of making reads (and further, forseeing it might be necessary)? The way you help townies make reads is by providing your own and then discussing them, not by just asking questions for the sake of questions.
I don't agree with this, at least at the start of the game. Later on it is fair enough to expect people to take positions, but generating information from others is super important also.
On May 24 2023 05:02 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 03:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you don want to lynch EITHER of your scumreads, but instead follow a total newbie even onto one of your townreads? Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 03:47 marvellosity wrote:On May 24 2023 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not sure I'll ever get used to being able to read the whole thread over the course of one cigarette. Not sure if good thing or bad thing, I guess we'll find out come D2 or 3.
1) [UoN]Sentinel
2) Alakaslam
3) Chezinu
4) Vivax
5) LightningStrike
6) DarthPunk
7) Onegu
8) Koshi
9) die_meatbaby
10) raynpelikoneet
11) Meapak_Ziphh
12) marvellosity
13) VisceraEyes
I think there's exactly one mafia inside marv/DP but I don't know which and I don't want to lynch either today. I'm leaning toward DP being the maf based on interactions with not-marv.
I think mayor today should be DMB. The discord stuff is about Viv and rayn right? I disagree with his reasoning, but it feels SOOOOOOOO townie, like...newer mafia would be scared to even MENTION Discord right? IDK meta is meta but I'd follow meat anywhere this phase. Including (ugh) onto one of my townreads.
MZ town for wanting to townread me. That's a town thing to want. I have a lot of townreads, so I think there's at least 1, maybe 2 mafia in the lurking class. I think a D1 lurker lynch is in order, my vote will reflect that. So you’d follow a newbie you are pretty sure is townie over a vet (yourself) who you presumably know is townie? Okay VE Did you guys plan this mindmeld in mafia!Discord?
Meh that is the normal reaction to that post if you are experienced.
On May 24 2023 05:12 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 05:07 marvellosity wrote:
VE - I told you already. Trusting another townread over yourself is at best bizarre.
Also thinking I’m scummy for not wanting to lynch into lurkers is also at best bizarre. It’s not like mafia are known for wanting an easy lynch on a lurker or something, is it VE? (He asks pointedly) That's not what I find off-putting, and I think its adorable that you think it's easy to lynch a lurker in this environment. Chances are we will, as a collective, vote-switch onto someone active like DP or Koshi based on something either you or rayn said, it will be a whole thing, and then the lurkers will live on until tomorrow. PLEASE tell me you think anything else will happen so I can laugh at you relentlessly.
True. Lol.
On May 24 2023 05:50 Koshi wrote:I can always lynch marv but the mindmeld with rayn was a total win. That is so hard to do as mafia.
I think they are both town but still don't agree that this is very strong FWIW.
On May 24 2023 06:24 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 05:46 Koshi wrote:
Ok I can't vote marv anymore.
I am saving the last pages for work. Because it is late and I dont want to think.
##unvote
##Vote: mebaby
Tbh I am not super duper happy with Vivax I think but this scumread from mebaby is totally insane. Like Vivax didnt even post a lot. Twice. And rayn was more active and was in the thread at the same time.
I can only imagine this is some weird crossover shit from irl mafia where the mafia has to fake reads in a fast pace game. Sorry was working last few hours... You really think they going to make a new girl directly mafia? I heard most of you weren't playing in years in this game is like legendary rematch after years... you think they taking the chance to ruin this game and make a new member (who never played) a mafia?
Would you please answer the question I asked you earlier?
On May 24 2023 06:28 Koshi wrote:
Also we are perfectly capable ruining this game without your help so no help needed.
:D
On May 24 2023 06:30 Koshi wrote:
Do you feel lost in the game? Do you need some advise on how to proceed?
On May 24 2023 06:31 Koshi wrote:
Finding towns is equally important as to find mafia. Do you have strong townreads and if you do, who and why?
On May 24 2023 06:32 Koshi wrote:
I just want to know how you think and approach the game.
On May 24 2023 06:33 Koshi wrote:
Like you said marv is getting attacked because x people pressured him because theybdont want to lose against mafia!marv again. Who are those people and do you now read them town?
Sharing is caring and can help us read you better.
I really like this from Koshi, I thought the tunnel was getting unproductive so giving space and trying to engage with meat baby is really positive. Koshi strong strong town read.
On May 24 2023 06:49 Vivax wrote:
VE seems like another VE compared to how he approached the game initially. Might rethink the TR down the road. I take issue in the fact that his first post had that ‚aha‘ component while the followup ended up all over the place with little regard as to who the vote ends up on.
As for MB, I don‘t read the derpy reasoning as AI. Knowing the character of the player, it could be mild trolling or a beginner‘s approach to pressuring me.
I‘m probably biased, but the mech talk appears disingenous enough to be town imo. I prefer to leave that slot to others to figure out. By others I mostly mean my townreads Koshi, Rayn, LS atm.
Got to filter MZ still.
Why is Lightning Strike town??
On May 24 2023 07:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 05:02 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 24 2023 04:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 24 2023 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 24 2023 04:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 24 2023 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not sure I'll ever get used to being able to read the whole thread over the course of one cigarette. Not sure if good thing or bad thing, I guess we'll find out come D2 or 3.
1) [UoN]Sentinel
2) Alakaslam
3) Chezinu
4) Vivax
5) LightningStrike
6) DarthPunk
7) Onegu
8) Koshi
9) die_meatbaby
10) raynpelikoneet
11) Meapak_Ziphh
12) marvellosity
13) VisceraEyes
I think there's exactly one mafia inside marv/DP but I don't know which and I don't want to lynch either today. I'm leaning toward DP being the maf based on interactions with not-marv.
I think mayor today should be DMB. The discord stuff is about Viv and rayn right? I disagree with his reasoning, but it feels SOOOOOOOO townie, like...newer mafia would be scared to even MENTION Discord right? IDK meta is meta but I'd follow meat anywhere this phase. Including (ugh) onto one of my townreads.
MZ town for wanting to townread me. That's a town thing to want. I have a lot of townreads, so I think there's at least 1, maybe 2 mafia in the lurking class. I think a D1 lurker lynch is in order, my vote will reflect that. Ok let's walk through this so that I understand. You say that there's one mafia between Marv/DarthPunk and it's probably DP, does that mean you'd want to lynch Marv if DP flipped town? I'm always a little hesitant to accept reasoning like that. Right now I've got a slight town read on DP but if we lynched Marv and he flipped green, I don't think that would necessarily be alignment indicative to DP. I'm not usually one to draw it out like that either, that's just how I'm seeing things now...and like I said it's kinda moot right now because I don't want to lynch either of them. They're both maf players that will help me catch their teammates at least early on, so I'm into letting them. That reasoning is....commonplace, so marv taking issue with it is...interesting. He REALLY don't like the idea of lynching into lurkers it seems, which makes me WAAAAAAY more into doing so. Like I said, he helping me out :D Hmmm ok I can't townread you anymore. This is... not great if you think someone is mafia, even if they're the most mafia ever and it's gonna be a quiet day because they're so obvious there won't be much discussion, you still lynch the people you are sure are scum. Like if you believe marv is mafia you should be wanting to lynch him ASAP even if for some reason you feel his anti lurker lynching stance is helping you. I know you've played with BC before MZ, this is HOW he plays and I've seen the merit of it over many games. I accept that marv is mostly not lynchable D1, and I'm not interested in getting into a shitfest trying to make that happen - it will probably just get ME lynched. DP is in a similar place, but for his activity vs game-solvability. And because I don't know WHICH or IF either one is maf, I'm just not interested in pursuing that today. You can dislike my playstyle, but it's not scummy. It's just my playstyle. I have plenty of people I'd rather try and lynch D1 instead of you anyway.
Like who?
On May 24 2023 07:28 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 06:33 Koshi wrote:
Like you said marv is getting attacked because x people pressured him because theybdont want to lose against mafia!marv again. Who are those people and do you now read them town?
Sharing is caring and can help us read you better.
Chezinu // seems like town
What?...
Please explain this.
On May 24 2023 07:29 Koshi wrote:
Also imho marv is looking more and more as a sponge absoring information and potentially making it rain knowledge while dp is just sitting in marv's ass doing nothing.
Not sitting in his ass, he is just making sense.
On May 24 2023 07:29 Koshi wrote:
So this 1 mafia in marv/dp theory is not so horrible.
Disagree.
On May 24 2023 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
People i don't want to lynch:
Koshi
Lightningstrike
marvellosity
Probably not Darthpunk either. From what i know DP is very aware of the state of the game when he is mafia, not afraid to engage in conversations with his scumbuddies, basically he tends to look very town especially early on. This game i feel like DP is more like.. clueless(?) at times, and i think it's more likely genuine "i don't know what's going on" rather than "i pretend i don't really know what's going on". If DP would be mafia he would probably be mafia with two peopel who haven't posted yet.
VE goes to the same category. I don't really agree with his conclusions, hell i don't even know why he writes what he writes but i don't really think VE as mafia would write what he writes.
Vivax looks active and i'd say more likely town too. I didn't hate his last post, although there is a creeping suspicion about him and meatbaby goin like "hey can i say this in thread" -- "yeah it's fine, noone will believe you anyways and it's great distancing anyways", but i don't really have any other reason to think Vivax is mafia atm, and that reasoning in itself is stupid.
Would lyncherino:
meatbaby -- what Koshi said
MZ is tricky. Last couple (three?) games i have been mafia and every time MZ goes to post something D1 i go like "man how the hell can anyone think anything like that (he has been town)?!?!?!" and then i go "man, how the hell can anyone think MZ is mafia?!?!?" and everyone wants to lynch him.. I don't get the same feeling at all here. Maybe it's because i am not mafia and i am looking at the game differently with not all the information. I can see MZ genuinely thinking marv is mafia but something just doesn't sit right there.
Slam is the least of these three. It's not really alignment indicative for him to "cling" on someone and answer to (all of) their posts, but nothing really makes me think he is town. Probably not mafia together with marv is my best conclusion atm.
Everyone who has not posted can also die for all i care. Or anyone who has posted and i had not in my list.
I like this post, just don't really get the lightning strike read. Thanks for actually sharing your thought processes.
I have caught up now.
I think Koshi is pretty town.
Marv and Rayn and MZ town but less clear than Koshi
Meat baby - While I think my initial reaction was not incorrect, I don't like that she didn't answer my questions to try and draw out more information about her rayn read, and I really think her chez read makes no sense as a townie. If you are making genuine reads or analysing the game at all then how is Chez town? Worries me that it was clearly not genuine, so what else is not genuine?
If she had just said "no idea" that would be infinitely more reasonable right, especially cause she said that about someone else who had actually posted. Just complete wtf?! moment that is not consistent from what I would expect from newbie townie.
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Ok, fair cop.
It's Marv town. How people sr him right now is beyond me.
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I am here now, yes.
I had to go get my car. Anyway, I disagree with M_Z that causing newbies to speak up and elaborate is not conducive to finding scum, and I didn't need to have it explained that the situation proposed was a win-win.
Basically, that is more than enough to know that Marv has like a 90% possibility of rolling town.
I have no idea why people think there has to be some diad between him and you.
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Sorry to have you waiting an hour.
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Also, I think being socratic is a means to showing results. Expecting them D1 is questionable.
In the Flamu sense of the word.
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Because of that evil list post, and little else. It felt more wrong than VE's and I didn't like it out of VE either.
Honestly*, I want to *. Given ** as a caveat.
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I'm gonna hang around a bit. I haven't caught up but I will try to stay current as well.
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On May 24 2023 07:28 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 06:33 Koshi wrote:
Like you said marv is getting attacked because x people pressured him because theybdont want to lose against mafia!marv again. Who are those people and do you now read them town?
Sharing is caring and can help us read you better.
Sentinel // don´t know, too less writing from him since we started Alakasla // same as sentinel Chezinu // seems like town 4) Vivax // mafia 5) LightningStrike // pretty shure town 6) DarthPunk // not quiet shure yet 7) Onegu // also not shure 8) Koshi // def. town 10) raynpelikoneet // Mafia 11) Meapak_Ziphh // also i think town for right know 12) marvellosity // town (could chance depends on his next posts) 13) VisceraEyes // town But as you said you can lose the game perfectly with out me
Wait where did Chezinu post?
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Dude chezinu hasn't posted;
Maybe in QT though?
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