TL Endures Mafia - Page 15

marvellosity

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May 27 2023 01:29 GMT

#1890

PS I think VE’s reaction to that is probs mafia pissed off that DMB is “confirmed” town through all the mechanics talk. Look how angry he is about it.

marvellosity

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May 27 2023 01:29 GMT

#1892

On May 27 2023 10:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv,

VE / LS / Onegu, thoughts?

I mean sure why not. Although I expected Onegu, if mafia, to be here making more randomly aggressive posts?

marvellosity

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May 27 2023 01:31 GMT

#1893

Plus I am not over DP saying he has “too many townreads”

Still struggling with that one… at that point I had precisely 2 (rayn/Koshi)

marvellosity

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May 27 2023 01:34 GMT

#1895

On May 23 2023 20:15 DarthPunk wrote:
Ok die meat baby is a hard town read at this point fwiw.

Hard townread on Mb at 5he point that Koshi was going the other way…

Townread on TtT for thread entrance, contrary to you and me rayn

“Too many townreads”

Having too many townreads is a mafia with perfect information.

marvellosity

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May 27 2023 01:35 GMT

#1897

On May 27 2023 10:34 marvellosity wrote:

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I speak from experience - I’ve fallen into this trap as mafia. Srsly, how do you have too many townreads in this game?

marvellosity

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May 27 2023 01:38 GMT

#1900

On May 27 2023 10:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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On May 26 2023 11:11 DarthPunk wrote:
So I am going to address the shit where Rayn thinks I am soft blaming him for the lynch on vivax, and I guess I sort of am, (although I also take responsibility for being wrong/bad or whatever makes you feel better) because from my perspective I was very open to being on either wagon at the time.

On May 25 2023 08:29 DarthPunk wrote:

On May 25 2023 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On May 25 2023 07:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

On May 25 2023 06:13 Onegu wrote:

On May 25 2023 06:08 marvellosity wrote:
Onegu, less blabla, more desperately trying to make yourself useful - I thank you

Love you Marv but you should know that is not likely to happen. I got the message 30 minutes ago that this game started.

Maybe this is helpful

##Vote: Marvellosity

I want marv dead more than anyone in this thread but I don't like this
.

I mean like shiiiittt...

Yeah this is bad. lol.

On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote:
I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.

On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:

On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote:
I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.

Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad

Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?

On May 25 2023 08:33 DarthPunk wrote:

On May 25 2023 08:32 VisceraEyes wrote:

On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote:
I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.

Hmph....

I fell more strongly about a Vivax lynch. I also think you are looking better recently so that's good. :D

On May 25 2023 08:44 DarthPunk wrote:

On May 25 2023 08:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

On May 25 2023 08:32 DarthPunk wrote:

On May 25 2023 08:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

On May 25 2023 08:30 DarthPunk wrote:
I could also get on the MZ wagon by the way.

Out of all the people who want to kill me, this one makes me the most sad

Im really open minded, just do more, tell me why I should lynch Lightning strike? Cause that dude is seriously not engaged. Is that normal?[/QUOTE

On May 25 2023 08:37 LightningStrike wrote:
Hey just got home from dinner and I see a Vivax train is started -_- Seriously though I don't like it and it formed very fast too like wtf?????

I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline.

I don't know enough about his meta game to say that low activity is alignment indicative but I will say I've hated how all of his reads are either "town" or "null"

Also his above post has the exact same vibe as this one:

On May 25 2023 05:58 LightningStrike wrote:
And all caught up now if MZ is town he been 100% confirmed bias towards Marv unless Marv is actually mafia which I doubt because Marv rolls over and let people lynch him as mafia more than anything. MZ if you are town please just chill out take a deep breath and reevaluate Marv. Regarding dmb: I get why people are scumreading her but how fast the wagon is forming is giving me second thoughts to be honest.

Who do you want to lynch LS? Since all the wagons are forming "too fast"

Ok I like this post, but it could be argued that I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline. could also apply to you.

On May 25 2023 08:56 DarthPunk wrote:

On May 25 2023 08:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
AND TO BE CLEAR ONEGU IS NOT EVEN MY TOP SCUM READ.

I feel like people aren't reading my posts clearly. I'd still rather lynch Vivax or LS or even Marv like I've been saying for a while. But again, town can play bad, one of my current suspects could flip town, Marv could wow me and turn into the towniest townie who ever town'd and I'd almost immediately slot Onegu into that spot.

I really don’t get how you can think Marv is a good lynch at this point.

Because I was open, and I had a strong town read in the thread with me, I asked rayn several times why I should not be on vivax.

On May 25 2023 08:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Anyway, Rayn tell me why we shouldn't lynch vivax today for not being curious as to the alignment of others when that is, by his own admission, the primary reason for his engagement as town, when in this game he has posted a lot and not been curious?

On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:

Just putting it out there.

I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.

On May 25 2023 09:06 DarthPunk wrote:

On May 25 2023 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On May 25 2023 08:59 DarthPunk wrote:

Just putting it out there.

I dont mind if you lynch Vivax. You may do as you please.

Ok let me rephrase. Tell me (why) you won’t lynch vivax

On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:

On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On May 25 2023 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:

On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked.

Why bad? Genuinely curious.

youre voting wrong

In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong?

On May 25 2023 09:24 DarthPunk wrote:

On May 25 2023 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On May 25 2023 09:16 DarthPunk wrote:

On May 25 2023 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On May 25 2023 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:

On May 25 2023 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE is town though, bad imo, but town. No questions asked.

Why bad? Genuinely curious.

youre voting wrong

In the post you linked you literally acknowledge that vivax could be mafia? Why is he voting wrong?

because things may and will change in hours between the posts.

OK, that is fine.

But that is the reason you gave for not voting him. If there are other reasons since then, could you let me know what they are?

I am also voting Vivax, so if that vote is wrong, hen I would like to know why.

This is very strange to me because I asked you earlier why I shouldn't lynch vivax and you said you wouldn't stop me but now the Vivax vote from VE is wrong and we are not going to lynch mafia.

Like I was genuinely frustrated that I wasn't given clarity at the time when I was repeatedly trying to get some.

On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:

On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.

Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?

VE posts this interpretation

On May 25 2023 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:

On May 25 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:

On May 25 2023 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Disclaimer; i am not voting vivax over meapak whatever the situation is when i am awake during D1. Just that you know.

Yeah I know this. I just don't know why this is the case. Are you just being stubborn?

Because from his perspective it's optimal play, mafia whoever they are are going to try and influence the vote IF his reads are right. Taking his vote out of the manipulable votes reduces mafia's power to affect the outcome IF his reads are right. And he's reinforcing anyone who values his reads that he's not moving his vote so they shouldn't either in the case that I keep trying to lynch Vivax.

Which rayn says is very smart post. So I take that to be the reason that Rayn is giving for not wanting to lynch Vivax. I actually don't like this reason because it prevents me from being able to play the game, if every lynch is already decided by the euros before a lynch, so in my mind I discount it.

On May 25 2023 09:43 DarthPunk wrote:

On May 25 2023 09:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Or he's mafia and knows it's a mislynch. Take your pick DP.

I don't think he is mafia. I also am not convinced MZ is town, I'm just trying to understand the thought processes going on.

I am really open to either. I just want some fucking clarity and engagement on the topic. Which I was not provided.

On May 25 2023 10:39 DarthPunk wrote:
Day One Vote Count

Meapak_Ziphh (5) marvellosity, Koshi, Vivax, raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike, ~~Alakaslam~~
Vivax (5): die_meatbaby, VisceraEyes, die_meatbaby, DarthPunk, Meapak_Ziphh, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (1): Onegu
die_meatbaby (0): Koshi, Vivax, Darthpunk, raynpelikoneet, Onegu
Marvellosity (0): Koshi, Onegu
Onegu (0): VisceraEyes, die_meatbaby
Chezinu (0): Alakaslam, Vivax

Not Voting (2): [UoN]Sentinel, Chezinu

Don't know what to make of this.

Trying to figure out where the scum are and the town reads are. ( a major criticisim later) At this point Rayn has left the thread.

I am posting this and then dropping the topic mainly because I want to:

1.) be clear around my thinking at the time of the wagon on vivax forming

2.) clarify that yes, if Rayn had given me any strong reason to vote MZ over Vivax when we were interacting in the thread prior to the lynch I would have done so.

3.) Point out that I don't think it was as clear and obvious as people are making it out to be prior to the lynch, and if it was, then some clear communication about that fact would have changed the outcome.

I am struggling to figure out this is what DP is interested in close to deadline N1?

Like sure. But these are the questions.

1. Why did he hard townread MB when the rest of town (especially marv, Vivax, rayn) did not feel that way
2. Why did he townread TTT when neither of us felt that way
3. How did he at all have too many townreads during N1 I think it was when I had 2

It stinks to me

marvellosity

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May 27 2023 01:39 GMT

#1902

On May 27 2023 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:

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Or it could be that the maf are good at appearing town and I was lost at that time.

I don’t blame you for thinking this but it’s just not right.

Anyway gotta get back to work

No. Because so many people look suspicious to some extent, regardless of if they are mafia or town. This is not a game where a million people look townie.

marvellosity

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May 27 2023 01:40 GMT

#1903

Like I just can’t get over DP’s lack of suspicion and lack of paranoia about people.

marvellosity

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May 27 2023 01:41 GMT

#1905

Slam, Chez, Onegu, LS etc are all doing a good job of appearing town are they? Really????

marvellosity

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May 27 2023 01:41 GMT

#1906

Ttt, VE,,, like I can’t even

marvellosity

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May 27 2023 01:42 GMT

#1908

Sorry I’m flying out again but needed to get that off my chest.

marvellosity

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May 27 2023 01:43 GMT

#1911

On May 27 2023 10:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why isn't mafia pushing LS if DP is mafia? Oh fuck i already realise this is a stupid question so i am just gonna leave it here lol...

❤️

marvellosity

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May 27 2023 01:43 GMT

#1913

On May 27 2023 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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What does this mean?

Just more people who don’t look “too townie”

marvellosity

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May 27 2023 14:39 GMT

#2049

On May 27 2023 15:59 TankTopTiger wrote:

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VE's case on vivax was weak. There's no reason to jump on it unless you've got your own reasons for thinking vivax scum. I happened to think vivax was a good lynch at the time (better than MZ), but at no point was it because VE made a compelling case.

For scumDP, it made little sense to hammer a weak case on a (to be confirmed) town. Instead they could have just let MZ die and had you lot in the gallows the next few days.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but DP was nowhere near the hammer.

marvellosity

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May 27 2023 14:41 GMT

#2050

On May 27 2023 18:02 TankTopTiger wrote:
I think it comes off as bad but I don't know LS. They have a lot of posts (on their acconut)but are those mafia game posts (I assume so).

With VE, at times he wrote succinctly and showed awareness. This is part of the reason why his shit-postery feels so wrong to me, because I know he's hiding his power level one way or another. With LS, it seems to me like he posts in a stream of consciousness way even before the game began.

Overall the tone of LS's post is off. He's trying to be hyperbolic similar to how Koshi was after N1 post but Koshi seemed pretty emotional while LS does not. I agree it's out of place for LS's level of engagement, but I'm so used to inconsistency in lower engagement players I don't consider it that worthy of note.

I like this

marvellosity

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May 27 2023 14:45 GMT

#2051

I was very not-sober last night for a lot of my posts. And my head hurts today so I’m struggling to concentrate on what I want to do here.

The little musing my brain does have available though, I still think what I said about DP was right. I’m struggling to reconcile how another town player who isn’t massively dissimilar to me has/had so many more townreads than me.

Still don’t like VE either though so I don’t know what to do.

marvellosity

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May 27 2023 14:47 GMT

#2052

Will read your VE post properly in a bit DP, have to admit I couldn’t face he size of it right now

marvellosity

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May 27 2023 21:57 GMT

#2068

Rayn I am around in about 15 minutes until I fall asleep if you’re gonna be about

marvellosity

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May 27 2023 21:58 GMT

#2069

On May 28 2023 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think VE is angry at wrong things and i think it makes him mafia.

I think this might be right

marvellosity

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May 27 2023 22:23 GMT

#2076

On May 28 2023 07:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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I think you should vote for VE.

I am going to as I don’t seem to be getting the interest I think I should be getting on my points on DP. Which has made me doubt my thoughts, but then I keep ending up thinking I’m right, so not letting that one go either.

But I think VE is maf too so if that’s the wagon we’re getting I’m happy to go with you rayn

##vote: VE

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