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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 26 2023 12:25 GMT
#1687
On May 26 2023 21:19 marvellosity wrote:
DP - VE?


I could lynch him, he is in the pool of lynch candidates for all the same reasons that have been stated. I think Lightnening strike is very much likely to be mafia though and I am less confident with VE cause I could see him doing all this as either alignment.

IM posting while playing hots and alt-tabbing so give me a bit.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 26 2023 12:26 GMT
#1688
On May 26 2023 21:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2023 22:06 DarthPunk wrote:
Tank top tiger looks very town to me based on the way he entered the thread. Fwiw

Elaborate on this too please, i find his entrance the exact opposite for what i have said already.


Ill tell you why, once ive got a bit more time. but he has played before. his other account is spaghetticus. He played in titanic II I think it was might be worth giving it a read.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 26 2023 12:33 GMT
#1690
On May 26 2023 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I had a suspicion it's him. I dunno if it's worth to read one game 10 years ago though.


He hasn't played since then, but it's pretty much the same, this is exactly what he would do as town, be really dense about thread presence, argue about semantics and his different perspective, look really bad because of it and then not adjust his play to looking bad.

It's a tone read, but I have known him for 20 years, played a bunch of IRL mafia with him etc. and it's like typical behavior.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 26 2023 12:42 GMT
#1694
On May 26 2023 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you think it is completely fine he doesn't care about the alignment of the opposing wagon but instead immediately attacks the leading person behind that wagon for whatever reason?


Is that what I said?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 26 2023 12:56 GMT
#1697
On May 26 2023 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2023 21:42 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 26 2023 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you think it is completely fine he doesn't care about the alignment of the opposing wagon but instead immediately attacks the leading person behind that wagon for whatever reason?


Is that what I said?

No but i am saying this is pretty much evidence of being mafia over anything else in the thread i can think of, do you think your meta read outweighs the hard evidence?


I haven't seen anything that makes me think he is mafia, and this would be the way that he tries to figure out the game as town,

I think he will slip up pretty badly if he is mafia, or not be able to keep up fake analyzing things so I am pretty confident that if he is mafia it will become more obvious to me than it is currently.

The thing with him is that he will go on his own reads, regardless of if it makes sense to anyone else or not, the thing you need to look at is if he seems to be figuring out the game or not, (in his own way) and in this game it looks like he is.

AS to dense about thread presence, like he just doesn't get that marv is looking town and unlynchable and pursuing it will likely get him mislynched as town, he doesn't care, because of whatever he is thinking at the time he will just go down that road.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 26 2023 12:59 GMT
#1699
On May 26 2023 21:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Is Titanic II the game where i got robbed SK victory for host ending a phase hour early for no reason and i only needed one more vote to ensure victory? The best and the saddest game of my life. So many games host has ripped me.


I think so, but I also think I stopped paying attention after I died. it was the game I was smurfing and everyone thought I was marv :D
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 26 2023 13:05 GMT
#1705
On May 26 2023 22:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ugh this is so annoying, why do people ignore hard evidence and go full meta?
Maybe i just push to lynch everyone who ignores hard evidence.


Great fucking question, remind me why we aren;t lynching LS again?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 26 2023 13:05 GMT
#1707
On May 26 2023 22:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My town core is now marv + slam + chezinu.


At least we agree on that.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 26 2023 13:14 GMT
#1711
On May 26 2023 22:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Lynch VE / TTT / DP
Off-hand Onegu / LS.


Can you explain why you think I am mafia?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 26 2023 13:15 GMT
#1712
On May 26 2023 22:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2023 22:05 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 26 2023 22:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ugh this is so annoying, why do people ignore hard evidence and go full meta?
Maybe i just push to lynch everyone who ignores hard evidence.


Great fucking question, remind me why we aren;t lynching LS again?

Where is LS ignoring hard evidence in your opinion?


I meant everyone ignoring the fact that LS is super scummy and town reading him for no reason.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 26 2023 13:20 GMT
#1715
On May 26 2023 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2023 22:12 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, the meta on TTT does make a difference though. It puts something nuts (his initial direction) into an understandable context.

I’m not saying it gives him a pass, but it does at least provide a counter argument. Sort of makes his stubbornness towards me make sense as well.

Looking forward to what he does for the rest of the day

Did you look at the game? Can you confirm that is his meta? Like i have multiple time just straight out lied about soemone's meta as mafia and noone has held me accountable for it because it is ME thinking THAT, and noone else. Same as DP's meta on him, even if DP is town does it hold water? Can you even count on it if you cannot check as it's only one game?


I mean, you asked me to explain why I thought he was looking townie when he entered the thread, if you want to believe it or not is your prerogative, I am not even saying we shouldn't lynch him, I am saying if you just wait it will become really obvious, (more obvious than just having different ideas about how to play etc.)

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 26 2023 13:21 GMT
#1717
On May 26 2023 22:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2023 09:42 DarthPunk wrote:

I won't be using meta reads, as they would not be contemporaneous.


!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I see this guy twice a week dude IRL, and played IRL mafia with him way more recently than any game on TL. not the same, I have known him for 20 years.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 26 2023 13:22 GMT
#1718
On May 26 2023 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Continues using 100% meta over anything he ACTUALLY said to figure out his alignment.


OK explain why trying to lynch marv is a good idea for mafia?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 26 2023 13:24 GMT
#1720
Anyway, I have collected sufficient GF agro and am going to bed.

I'm going to vote for LS. I suggest you all do the same.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 26 2023 13:27 GMT
#1722
On May 26 2023 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2023 22:22 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 26 2023 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Continues using 100% meta over anything he ACTUALLY said to figure out his alignment.


OK explain why trying to lynch marv is a good idea for mafia?

because he knows meapak is town.


That's really weak, imo. Because it still doesn't make it a good idea as mafia. Also plenty of people knew Vivax was town what does that actually mean.\

Trying to lynch marv in this town at this point is suicide for scum, hence our current conversation, I just don't see it.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 26 2023 13:29 GMT
#1724
On May 26 2023 22:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
especially for newbie mafia pushing for someone who you KNOW is wrong is not the worst idea.


This is wifom, but apparently thats allowed these days, do you really think his teammates would not have something to say about this out of the thread if this is the case.

I don't even know why I am fighting you on this. That is his meta read, if there is anyone in this thread that would know, it would be me. I want to give him some more time because I think it will be obvious one way or another, and there are better lynches available.

Like LS.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 26 2023 13:39 GMT
#1729
On May 26 2023 22:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I genuinely believe anyone with any grasp of how to play mafia would do the expected and try and figure out Meapak's alignment FIRST THING come N1, in his postition, as town. He doesn't seem like completely clueless in how to play.

As for where you say "plenty of people knew Vivax is town", it doesn't matter. If he showed that he really really strongly believes meapak is town then i would understand the immediate attack on marv, but he doesn't. Later on he even says (after i confront him) that he is going to read meapak / VE next.


Didn’t he say he read mz as town in his first post? I think the fact he relented to reconsider under pressure understandable and more town aligned than not.

Are you a bit too tunnelled here because what he does is not what you would do?

Anyway seriously logging off
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 27 2023 01:28 GMT
#1889
On May 27 2023 10:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Off-topic, are you living in (or used to live in) Perth DP? Or was it Mocsta, i think one of you was.


I’m reading the thread but I am working on my house with my dad so I’m not that available until later.

I live in Tasmania.

Something im thinking about is the resistance to a ls lynch. Like if he was town he should seriously be a good mislynch candidate right. But I have been calling him out for 2 days and there is very little traction.

Ve wagon is weird because he actually looked better since day one and his frustration with you felt genuine and his reads when they make sense make sense for the same reasons I have. But they don’t all make sense
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 27 2023 01:34 GMT
#1896
On May 27 2023 10:31 marvellosity wrote:
Plus I am not over DP saying he has “too many townreads”

Still struggling with that one… at that point I had precisely 2 (rayn/Koshi)


look at my vote analysis on day one, then one of my two maf reads flipped town. I was really struggling to figure out who was mad at that point.

At this point I’m thinking ls- onegu - and ?? Maybe ve but I don’t want it to be him cause then he has thoroughly bamboozled me.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 27 2023 01:36 GMT
#1899
On May 27 2023 10:34 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2023 20:15 DarthPunk wrote:
Ok die meat baby is a hard town read at this point fwiw.

Hard townread on Mb at 5he point that Koshi was going the other way…

Townread on TtT for thread entrance, contrary to you and me rayn

“Too many townreads”

Having too many townreads is a mafia with perfect information.

Or it could be that the maf are good at appearing town and I was lost at that time.

I don’t blame you for thinking this but it’s just not right.

Anyway gotta get back to work
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
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