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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2020 18:10 GMT
#1641
i am like 50% the game is solved this phase. if you think it will help i will claim, iamp. that is if you think i am not 100% town. i am if i claim but i dont want to do that for nothing.

i think onegu is taking shit about the threads because he didnt think TT is town and his explanation smells like ass.

i know hapa is bs. i dont know why and i dont know if it hursts us but i know hapa is bs.

Koshi is probably town.

Slam can be mafia.

TT can be mafia.

Grack can be mafia.

Everyone else is town i think, Dirkzor can be 3p but i care less about him than i care about hapa.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 03 2020 18:10 GMT
#1642
On November 04 2020 03:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 03:01 iamperfection wrote:
On November 04 2020 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2020 02:52 iamperfection wrote:
what do you think of dirkzor's self vote for mayor ?

i dont think dirkzor can sway the vote in any way if he is mafia.

it just seems so detached from what is going on

do you think dirkzor thinks he is gonna win the mayoral race?

No. Just for show then?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 03 2020 18:11 GMT
#1643
On November 04 2020 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am like 50% the game is solved this phase. if you think it will help i will claim, iamp. that is if you think i am not 100% town. i am if i claim but i dont want to do that for nothing.

i think onegu is taking shit about the threads because he didnt think TT is town and his explanation smells like ass.

i know hapa is bs. i dont know why and i dont know if it hursts us but i know hapa is bs.

Koshi is probably town.

Slam can be mafia.

TT can be mafia.

Grack can be mafia.

Everyone else is town i think, Dirkzor can be 3p but i care less about him than i care about hapa.

Nah you don't have to claim
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2020 18:14 GMT
#1644
If you believe hapa do you believe him in that grack is not town by dumb tell, because hapa dismissed that?
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 03 2020 18:17 GMT
#1645
Hapa almost town hero.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 03 2020 18:17 GMT
#1646
No almost town elder
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2020 18:18 GMT
#1647
On November 03 2020 05:17 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2020 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1.Iamperfection
2. Hapahauli
3. Grackaroni
4. Onegu
5. Dirkzor
6. Acrofales (mafia)

7. ShoCkeyy
8. Alakaslam
9. Tictock
10. Koshi
11. Raynpelikoneet
12. Yamato77

now who gets lynched who is not mafia in each thread? maybe shockeyy was the assumed scapegoat in the second thread. Maybe acrofales was the only mafia in first thread? I wouldnt bank on onegu/grack 1v1 and you definitely dont want to lynch yourself and you cannot pretty much lynch anyone out of iamp/hapa/dirk.


This is really interesting, and I think it heavily discounts the Onegu mafia theory. If you are Acro and set up the threads in this way, who is the mislynch target in 1-6? Onegu and Grack are the only realistic mislynch targets here.

Acro doesn't really attempt to push Grack at all, and instead pushes Onegu and Shockeyy for most of the day.

So we have to believe that Onegu and Acro had a plan to bus each other hard for town cred (unlikely, given how inactive Onegu was and generally is), or that Acro's motivations have more face-value to them.

The other thing that sticks out to me is Acro's attempt to goad me into shooting Onegu:

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On October 30 2020 03:35 Acrofales wrote:
If so shoot onegu.


Show nested quote +
On October 30 2020 03:46 Acrofales wrote:
On October 30 2020 03:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I know why I would want Onegu shot. Why do you?

He has no intention to play the game. I know onegu is often like this, but more likely he is *completely* useless when scum. He is now *completely* useless and I don't want to waste time, thought or effort on him. So having a self-claimed 3p shoot him seems like a neat solution! And then when he flips scum, you are super unlikely to be scum with him, and it is also less likely you have some weird cultist crap. Could still be SK, but that sounds easy to deal with.


Now I was Roleblocked (seemingly by mafia), so this may have been an "empty" play by Acro. However, if Acro seriously thinks I have KP, and he successfully "convinces" me into shooting Onegu, mafia is committed to Roleblock me for the rest of the game.

I am inclined to take Acro's words at face value once again - mafia generally don't goad third parties into shooting scumbuddies.

first post is not town it's a rehash
On November 03 2020 05:34 Hapahauli wrote:
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On November 03 2020 05:27 iamperfection wrote:
for both grack and onegu why did they lynch their partner then if mafia ?
Surely just lie about your vote no to waste time?


Let's look at the hypothetical scenario of "scum-Grack" where the declared votes in-thread are:

Acro (5): Hapa, Grack, Shockeyy, Onegu, Dirkzor
Onegu (1): Acro

... in the 5 vote scenario, it doesn't matter what a "scumbuddy" does - Acro still dies, making the scummer's action a moot issue. I believe this is what everyone thought the vote-count was going into the lynch.

Now let's play the 4 vote scenario with "Scum-Grack" with how the vote count actually played out.

Acro (4): Hapa, Grack, Onegu, Dirkzor
Dirk (1): Shockeyy
Onegu (1): Acro

If Dirk swaps his vote to create a no lynch, the effect is the following:
1) Acro is confirmed mafia;
2) Shockeyy is confirmed town.
3) Exactly 1 mafia is in the group of "Hapa/Grack/Onegu/Dirk", which means that 0-3 players can be confirmed town if that mafia dies.

I don't think that is a great outcome for mafia.

this is not good

worst posts hapa did all game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2020 18:21 GMT
#1648

If Dirk swaps his vote to create a no lynch, the effect is the following:
1) Acro is confirmed mafia;
2) Shockeyy is confirmed town.
3) Exactly 1 mafia is in the group of "Hapa/Grack/Onegu/Dirk", which means that 0-3 players can be confirmed town if that mafia dies.

And how is this outcome worse than what it is atm?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2020 18:22 GMT
#1649
1) Acro is confirmed mafia -- yes
2) Shockeyy is confirmed town. -- yes
3) Exactly 1 mafia is in the group of "Hapa/Grack/Onegu/Dirk", which means that 0-3 players can be confirmed town if that mafia dies. --- is it?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2020 18:23 GMT
#1650
but acro doesnt even flip
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2020 18:25 GMT
#1651
0-3 players can be confirmed town if that mafia dies

it's an upside that ZERO players might not be able to confirmed? really hapa? really.............. i know about statistics and if your chances are from 0 to 3 then you are as good as nothing.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 03 2020 18:26 GMT
#1652
Dear Rayn,

I love you, but you are bad. Bad at this game.

Please ever so kindly extricate your head outside of your asshole so I do not have to deal with your paranoid delusions.

Sincerely,
Hapa
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 03 2020 18:27 GMT
#1653
On November 04 2020 03:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
0-3 players can be confirmed town if that mafia dies

it's an upside that ZERO players might not be able to confirmed? really hapa? really.............. i know about statistics and if your chances are from 0 to 3 then you are as good as nothing.

He was talking from mafias perspective
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2020 18:30 GMT
#1654
i agree that i probably look like shit after this, but i want to kill hapa because he is not being honest. most of the people may not see it. it's okay, i dont even think we NEED to kill hapa. i want all the town win and not some smuggy 3p's who are shit. hapa is a smuggy 3p and we are in a good position to have 1 mafia dead and no towns so far.

call me scummy for trying to sway the lynch away from mafia idc. another thing is that i wanna see TT flip before i decide if to lynch slam or not, and hapa being very not town gave me a chance to try.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2020 18:31 GMT
#1655
On November 04 2020 03:27 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 03:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
0-3 players can be confirmed town if that mafia dies

it's an upside that ZERO players might not be able to confirmed? really hapa? really.............. i know about statistics and if your chances are from 0 to 3 then you are as good as nothing.

He was talking from mafias perspective

what no? lol
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 03 2020 18:32 GMT
#1656
On November 04 2020 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i agree that i probably look like shit after this, but i want to kill hapa because he is not being honest. most of the people may not see it. it's okay, i dont even think we NEED to kill hapa. i want all the town win and not some smuggy 3p's who are shit. hapa is a smuggy 3p and we are in a good position to have 1 mafia dead and no towns so far.

call me scummy for trying to sway the lynch away from mafia idc. another thing is that i wanna see TT flip before i decide if to lynch slam or not, and hapa being very not town gave me a chance to try.

Like hapa is most responsible for getting acro he had the most sway in that thread he is a non issue. Plus I need him for a little bit anyways.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 03 2020 18:33 GMT
#1657
On November 04 2020 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 03:27 iamperfection wrote:
On November 04 2020 03:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
0-3 players can be confirmed town if that mafia dies

it's an upside that ZERO players might not be able to confirmed? really hapa? really.............. i know about statistics and if your chances are from 0 to 3 then you are as good as nothing.

He was talking from mafias perspective

what no? lol

He was talking about the secret voting in response to my question why any of the 4 voters would not just lie if they were mafia.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2020 18:34 GMT
#1658
On November 04 2020 03:32 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i agree that i probably look like shit after this, but i want to kill hapa because he is not being honest. most of the people may not see it. it's okay, i dont even think we NEED to kill hapa. i want all the town win and not some smuggy 3p's who are shit. hapa is a smuggy 3p and we are in a good position to have 1 mafia dead and no towns so far.

call me scummy for trying to sway the lynch away from mafia idc. another thing is that i wanna see TT flip before i decide if to lynch slam or not, and hapa being very not town gave me a chance to try.

Like hapa is most responsible for getting acro he had the most sway in that thread he is a non issue. Plus I need him for a little bit anyways.

sure. dont blame me though if he blows the game away or something.
i just want to kill him because he is not town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2020 18:35 GMT
#1659
On November 04 2020 03:33 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2020 03:27 iamperfection wrote:
On November 04 2020 03:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
0-3 players can be confirmed town if that mafia dies

it's an upside that ZERO players might not be able to confirmed? really hapa? really.............. i know about statistics and if your chances are from 0 to 3 then you are as good as nothing.

He was talking from mafias perspective

what no? lol

He was talking about the secret voting in response to my question why any of the 4 voters would not just lie if they were mafia.

Okay let's say we dont even care about wht we are talking about.
"0-3 players confirmed town" how good is that? :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 03 2020 18:36 GMT
#1660
0-3 players can be confirmed town if that mafia dies

really, 0-3 IF mafia dies...................
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