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I had to take a detour to read the wall of Grack.
On October 30 2020 04:21 Dirkzor wrote:
Grack is most likely scum. Not that many posts. Just enough to not be at the bottom. No real follow through on anything. He don't like my claim but doesnt do anything with it beside stating it. Why not push me if you think im a liar.
Your push on me seems to have started when I called out your claim to begin with, and now when I mention it again you're complaining that it's unoriginal and people have already talked about it lol. I understand why people are null/scum on me for not contributing but then you start coloring people as scum by association with me. What kind of response did you expect people to give about me.
On October 30 2020 04:50 Dirkzor wrote:Actually. The more i read shockeys filter the more i think a Grack + Shockey scum team fits. Show nested quote +slight mafia lean
grack - i think it's easy to look town with how Grack posts, while still being mafia, so i'm null.. Its like what? is it a mafie lean or a null? Reads to me like you wanted to bus your teammate just a little by putting him under slight mafia and then couldnt think of a thing that makes him scum so you wrote null... You also called him town and scum in the same sentence. You have zero interaction with grack and vice versa Soon going to bed.
On October 30 2020 05:25 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2020 05:10 Onegu wrote:On October 30 2020 04:59 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Interesting that both Dirk and Onegu decided to claim I'm mafia at the same time : )
Also it seems like Grack and I are never around at the same time which is why there's never discussion between us. I have a slight scum read on grack, but that doesn't mean I need to claim he's mafia. I don't know who the fuck is mafia just yet which is why he's also a null. Like I personally don't think there's a problem having some one on null/mafia lean in a list. The first part of this is laughably bad. When 2 people call you scum doesnt even matter. Do you think we are both scum and said in our QT hey lets say shockeyy is scum in 10. 9. 8. 7. 6. 5. 4. 3. 2. 1. The second part I have no idea about. Dont care about grack as I havent seen him say anything about me... Why dont you care about grack? even if he havent said anything about you, caring about him figuring out his alignment is important yes? Also i agree that 2 people posting at the same time would be weird as scum. But you jumping on my (and others) scum read is not...
On October 30 2020 16:29 Dirkzor wrote:
If i die tonight i think you should get rid of grack.
twice he have called my claim sus without really doing anything with it. Trying to build pressure without taking responsibility. And rest of posting are just sort of there.
I could do more to try to lynch you. From what I recall from the thread I was the one that gave your claim the most trouble. I think Koshi thought it was non-town as well in the other thread but that came later.
On October 31 2020 23:57 Dirkzor wrote:
I still think grack is out best lynch followed by onegu at this point. Hopefully i get around to make a real case on grack later. For now lets just say he havent done anything. He promised a filterdive that never came. He pushes only a little bit but never for reals (my claim and also in the shocks/acro case). His post with colors is just soo over the top to me.
@other thread: you going to no lynch or what is the plan? What are your thoughts on grack as a lynch here?
I hope you get to that case on me Dirkzor because I want you to be better. We wouldn't want somebody trying to build pressure for a lynch without taking responsibility.
@other thread. Could you give me some reasons for lynching Dirkzor?
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On November 01 2020 01:34 Dirkzor wrote:
How do you call that an original thought when you yourself just rehashed hapas post.
Even me talking about corruption counter at the beginning have been mentioned before.
Im not upset you don't believe me claim. To be honest of im surprised more havent been critical. Im mad because it seems like your not even trying. I want you to do better.
Also I didn't rehash Hapa's post. He gave 3 options and I tried to point towards why it's more likely the second option.
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Hapa why did you mention having an alternate win condition to begin with? Just in the interest of full disclosure or you wanted to use it to make reads from the beginning?
My impression is that you jumped on Slam because it seemed like the thread was turning on you and he was sheeping Rayn's opinion uncritically. Going back and quoting Slam talk about how much he likes scum hunting to say that it was a contradiction was not the best look imo.
I also didn't really appreciate the C+ or w/e. You say I'm thinking about your claim logically. Even if I am mafia I won't be able to know whether you are town or 3rd party, so why should I be more or less paranoid about you based off my alignment.
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On October 30 2020 04:59 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Interesting that both Dirk and Onegu decided to claim I'm mafia at the same time : )
Also it seems like Grack and I are never around at the same time which is why there's never discussion between us. I have a slight scum read on grack, but that doesn't mean I need to claim he's mafia. I don't know who the fuck is mafia just yet which is why he's also a null. Like I personally don't think there's a problem having some one on null/mafia lean in a list.
Though you're not making me look great lol.
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On October 30 2020 16:27 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2020 16:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 30 2020 16:16 yamato77 wrote:On October 30 2020 16:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont understand what you mean by your line of questioning re: Shockeyy? Then you're not reading my posts, as I said. In a gesture of good faith, I will go IN MY OWN FILTER and show you the posts you made later on basically verbatim: On October 29 2020 04:53 yamato77 wrote:On October 29 2020 04:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I have one question about the game:
"Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways."
So is there more than just town/mafia? :D
Btw I commit to checking out the database. I personally think I'm the best person to check it out. Why do you think you're a good candidate? On October 29 2020 05:37 yamato77 wrote:On October 29 2020 05:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:On October 29 2020 04:53 yamato77 wrote:On October 29 2020 04:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I have one question about the game:
"Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways."
So is there more than just town/mafia? :D
Btw I commit to checking out the database. I personally think I'm the best person to check it out. Why do you think you're a good candidate? I just am. I have no malintent for our database. I wish for you to be more forthcoming about your claim here. What do you intend to do if you do go to the database? Why should we trust you? I have eead those posts, I dont understand why this is a reason for me to change my read on you? Think critically about this game and how I've played. I come into the thread with a Shockey scumread and you DECLARE that he's town. You lied. You call me mafia (at least partly) because my scumread of Shockey is "too easy". You then recent your claim and try to ask the EXACT SAME QUESTIONS to Shockey about his motivations and the inherent logical inconsistencies in his posts that I already pointed at while apparently continue to believe that my suspicion of him comes from a mafia perspective? How does that make sense, exactly? Why should I trust a player who plays like this? How am I supposed to interact with you? These are questions I do not have an answer to. I just have to assume your alignment at some point because I cannot make a whole lot of sense out of what's going on there.
I don't think this is very out of character for Rayn. No doubt he feels confident in his ability to read ShoCkkey over everybody else and even while reading it at the time it was clear Rayn didn't have any extra information on ShoCkkey from his role.
I do think Yamato seems pretty townie from the way he's approached his reads on ShoCkkey and Rayn. Plus he's always been super bad/inactive as mafia historically, but of course there's been lots of time for him to improve as well.
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There's no reason why Koshi would never ever be mafia in this game.
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On November 01 2020 04:37 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2020 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:
There's no reason why Koshi would never ever be mafia in this game. What does this even mean? its mean absolutely nothing. No one in this game would never ever be mafia. (beside oneself). This is what i mean. You don't try enough. Its just so much nonsense (most of the time). Show nested quote +On November 01 2020 01:58 Grackaroni wrote:I had to take a detour to read the wall of Grack. On October 30 2020 04:21 Dirkzor wrote:
Grack is most likely scum. Not that many posts. Just enough to not be at the bottom. No real follow through on anything. He don't like my claim but doesnt do anything with it beside stating it. Why not push me if you think im a liar. Your push on me seems to have started when I called out your claim to begin with, and now when I mention it again you're complaining that it's unoriginal and people have already talked about it lol. I understand why people are null/scum on me for not contributing but then you start coloring people as scum by association with me. What kind of response did you expect people to give about me. On October 30 2020 04:50 Dirkzor wrote:Actually. The more i read shockeys filter the more i think a Grack + Shockey scum team fits. slight mafia lean
grack - i think it's easy to look town with how Grack posts, while still being mafia, so i'm null.. Its like what? is it a mafie lean or a null? Reads to me like you wanted to bus your teammate just a little by putting him under slight mafia and then couldnt think of a thing that makes him scum so you wrote null... You also called him town and scum in the same sentence. You have zero interaction with grack and vice versa Soon going to bed. On October 30 2020 05:25 Dirkzor wrote:On October 30 2020 05:10 Onegu wrote:On October 30 2020 04:59 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Interesting that both Dirk and Onegu decided to claim I'm mafia at the same time : )
Also it seems like Grack and I are never around at the same time which is why there's never discussion between us. I have a slight scum read on grack, but that doesn't mean I need to claim he's mafia. I don't know who the fuck is mafia just yet which is why he's also a null. Like I personally don't think there's a problem having some one on null/mafia lean in a list. The first part of this is laughably bad. When 2 people call you scum doesnt even matter. Do you think we are both scum and said in our QT hey lets say shockeyy is scum in 10. 9. 8. 7. 6. 5. 4. 3. 2. 1. The second part I have no idea about. Dont care about grack as I havent seen him say anything about me... Why dont you care about grack? even if he havent said anything about you, caring about him figuring out his alignment is important yes? Also i agree that 2 people posting at the same time would be weird as scum. But you jumping on my (and others) scum read is not... On October 30 2020 16:29 Dirkzor wrote:
If i die tonight i think you should get rid of grack.
twice he have called my claim sus without really doing anything with it. Trying to build pressure without taking responsibility. And rest of posting are just sort of there.
I could do more to try to lynch you. From what I recall from the thread I was the one that gave your claim the most trouble. I think Koshi thought it was non-town as well in the other thread but that came later. On October 31 2020 23:57 Dirkzor wrote:
I still think grack is out best lynch followed by onegu at this point. Hopefully i get around to make a real case on grack later. For now lets just say he havent done anything. He promised a filterdive that never came. He pushes only a little bit but never for reals (my claim and also in the shocks/acro case). His post with colors is just soo over the top to me.
@other thread: you going to no lynch or what is the plan? What are your thoughts on grack as a lynch here? I hope you get to that case on me Dirkzor because I want you to be better. We wouldn't want somebody trying to build pressure for a lynch without taking responsibility. @other thread. Could you give me some reasons for lynching Dirkzor? This is so much bull. You can't use my word and turn them around. Thats not how this works. You didnt give my claim trouble. You posted 2 times: one that i was 3rd party with my own agenda and what can be summed down to "hmm" with fancy colors. Thats not giving me trouble. + Show Spoiler +On October 30 2020 01:25 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2020 01:18 iamperfection wrote:
The counter is at 1 anyways everyone could go tonight no? We could theoretically. It might make sense if we think Mafia have better actions than town but it's kind of hard to check who actually goes from the options available. Maybe you could make everybody visit the person above/below them and check whether they have a role that was in a previous aperture game. With that option I think you could at least potentially catch some people lying. On October 30 2020 10:16 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't know why people would trust the Dirkzor claim.
Press the SPACE TIME DESTABILIZATION in thread to get a powerful ability in 5 phases times. Also you return 3rd party/non-town to checks.
hmmm.... I will give my shockey/grack moment was a bit of an overreach. But i wanted to see what came of it. But, as i wrote in a separate post, your whole: "I dont know mafia KP mechanics" sorta gives you a saving grace for now. I don't think mafia would fake not knowing their own abilities.
Rayn said in the other thread that Koshi was never ever mafia in this game and I was just responding to that. Although I will admit that I also really enjoy posting nonsense. I'm in the process of making a reads list now. I'm not one to usually make lots of early reads unless there's something that really pings me on way or the other, so I tend to do a lot of shit posting to whatever I see in the thread early on.
Your claim being suspicious has been pretty much the only read I'd posted in D0/N0. I think it's pretty clear why I think it's suspicious.
On October 30 2020 00:18 Grackaroni wrote:
It seems like Dirkzor is pretty clearly third party but needed to destabilize in the thread to setup for his win condition. I think he knew that he would be a likely check and wanted to preempt that by just telling us he'd return as 3rd party/non-town.
On October 30 2020 10:16 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't know why people would trust the Dirkzor claim.
Press the SPACE TIME DESTABILIZATION in thread to get a powerful ability in 5 phases times. Also you return 3rd party/non-town to checks.
hmmm....
When I mentioned while doing my reread that you also started out being cautious about what the next level of corruption would do and then came into the thread looking to catch 3rd parties and you lashed out at me for mentioning it again. And what I said was pretty blatantly different from what Hapa said.
Using people's words and turning them around on them is kind of how mafia works. If you're bothered that I'm not putting enough effort or that I'm casting suspicion on your claim I understand that. For what it's worth I don't think my dumb tell is worth removing me from the lynch pool. I could easily be lying about what I do/don't know.
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Back to my attempt at sleuthing.
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Iamperfection - Active thread presence/general townie vibes. Tried to clear me twice now so that's always a plus.
Yamato I think Yamato comes off pretty well so far. His frustration with Rayn brushing off his ShoCkkey posts because Rayn knows better seems genuine and I like the way he's pushing his reads.
Rayn Rayn has at least seemed confident in his read on ShoCkkey and seems to be in the process of writing some people off as town, which to me is a good sign for him as opposed to him just burying someone. I don't think he's cleared himself by any means but it doesn't seem like he's pushing a scum agenda at the moment.
ShoCkkey - I'm wavering a lot on this one. His list post was pretty atrocious and it was pretty much the only thing he posted that had anything to do with people's alignments. He gives a read on Dirkzor without even reading his claim, and what's the point of writing out a list if you don't have much to say to begin with.
We don't really have enough information to know what happened with the kill. It's possible ShoCkkey just bussed himself with Iamp to avoid checks and freaked out when it was visible from the actions that he did that so he started ranting about catching Acro with his pants down.
Hapahauli - He pinged the right posts if Acrofales is mafia. I think his filter is pretty lackluster compared to his norm. I don't see any reason for lynching him today and it seems like nobody else does either.
Dirkzor. I think his claim points heavily towards being 3rd party and he's been fixated on getting rid of me for not trying hard enough to lynch him during day 0. I could definitely try harder.
Acrofales I think the case he made on ShoCkkey was really bad. It was a huge reach to take that ShoCkkey called himself an analytical player and use that to say that he was too confident in having a town read on the player that everyone in the thread was town reading. I was also considering sending only Iamp as a potentially good option at one point, but I don't think I ended up saying it.
I think he dropped off quite a bit from the start of the game and he is guilty of playing thread cop like Hapa said. I did like his response though to why he was writing me off earlier.
On October 31 2020 02:10 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2020 01:58 Grackaroni wrote:On October 30 2020 20:28 Acrofales wrote:
Sweet! No NK and I wasn't roleblocked. Something weird happened. Shockeyy isn't supposed to be here, I don't think. It isn't entirely clear how the split works, but I thought it was by player list, and we should have Iamp here, not Shockeyy... Bus driver or something?
Oh, and I got a PM that I'm a planeteer. Lets explore space together.
@Koshi: you can't answer me, but pretty sure your ability can't have been this. This is about as close to an innocent child role I'm gonna get in a greymist game. It's absurd how good this ability is. We should even be able to use it afterward as a list cop ability, as I assume each side has at least 1 mafia or it'd screw over town. Too bad I got stuck with all the scummers over here.
@dirkzor: still think you're town, and I think hapa is 3p. So has to be onegu, grack or shockeyyy, who got put here through some kind of voodoo.
I smelt town on grack early on, so we lynch onegu or shockeyy. Will filter them this afternoon. I think it's a bit suspicious that Acro is sticking with his town read on me based off volunteering to go to the database when lots of other players did so afterwords including both Onegu and ShoCkkey. I haven't made any effort at all to analyze posts yet. I'm going to start filter diving tonight. My read wasn't off the volunteering, it was off the speed at which you volunteered. By the time onegu and shockeyy came in, plenty of time had passed for scum to come up with a plan to deal with the database and corruption, but you volunteered early and that struck me. Anyway, reading some filters.
I'm not nearly as confident as other people in the Acro lynch (it seems like he's close to universally scum read) but I don't think it's a bad lynch at the moment.
Onegu - playing anti-town and proud of it. Chose to go to the database without consulting people because Onegu won't be told what to do. Could easily be either alignment, but he's earned the red name all the same.
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I wanted to give a read on Koshi/Slam/TT but I couldn't make a decision. Definitely a hard lynch for the other side.
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Consider myself as a ##Vote: Acrofales at the moment.
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On November 02 2020 05:08 Hapahauli wrote:
The Acro lynch no-flip is... annoying. However, I don't see any reason to speculate on it for now, since it looks like he will flip alignment at some point down the road. It puts me in a position where I feel I have very little new information to go on to second check my reads. My reads haven't changed all that much. I think we can find 2 mafia in the group of TT/Onegu/Grack. My thoughts and paranoia may change if Acro flips town.
I do think Slam's story is fine (or at the very least, non-alignment indicative). It would make a lot more sense for mafia slam to swear that he voted, thereby creating a scenario with extra paranoia about all four voters on the TT wagon. Slam being "honest" about his fuck-up doesn't strike me as mafia motivated.
I also have been thinking about Shockeyy's claim more, and I do believe he is town. I do not see how targeting Iamp with a redirect ability (which seemingly checks out) is mafia-sided.
The "database plan" of sending Iamp alone is fine. I would be interested in getting information about Dirkzor's role, both to check his story and to get an idea of what the "reward" may be.
Onegu/I both voted for Acro. Why would Acro being town change your thoughts? Wouldn't it be if Acro was mafia?
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On November 02 2020 06:16 Dirkzor wrote:
Everyone agree that only iamp goes database tonight? I want written confirmation!
Sure.
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You can't really fault Slam for his vote unless both Slam and Ticktock are mafia. I get the impression that Slam was mostly looking to save himself, and Slam is pretty frequently self-sacrificing so I'm not sure he would lynch his partner before himself if they're a team?
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Well it sounds like you're going.
If you're really worried about roleblock I'm still not doing anything tonight. I'm not sure that mafia can reliably count on nobody else going to prioritize role blocking you. There are probably enough wildcards between 3rd party and independent minded townies.
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If this is your way of promoting your database plan I don't recommend it.
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It seems like Acro was trying to vote off ShoCkkey so I doubt he's mafia. I also didn't get the impression that the reaction over the bus driving between the two of them was pre-planned.
Dirkzor/Hapa aren't teammates with Acro, but I've never thought either of them would be red to begin with.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Onegu hammered his teammate. Otherwise there's 2 in the other thread.
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