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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 29 2020 15:49 GMT
#551
I don't think there are two mafia teams in a mini lmao
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 29 2020 20:16 GMT
#611
Nice to come back to seeing Rayn retread the steps I already took against his advice.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 29 2020 22:40 GMT
#626
Trusting Dirk is difficult for me. The aware miller-ish aspect adds a layer of strangeness to what is already quite a convoluted role. If anything his post seems to be focused mainly on keeping himself alive for a vague promise of maybe helping town in 5 cycles, which is a long time. This sounds more like an actual survivor claim than any "actually town but may appear 3p" like he said. I don't think he's telling the 100% truth. Then again, the precedent in this very game is to hide one's own power level, so to speak, so I don't exactly think that means he's mafia. Another great candidate to check with the Library.

I don't think we should be asking about what corruption will do when we have so many claims to evaluate. Perhaps if it increases to 2 we could see what would happen at 3 but right now at 1 there's not much point if I read the OP correctly.

Rayn's return to the thread has been less than inspiring. Among a litany of list posts his seems mostly aimed at staying stuck in his reads he made hours ago and dismissing anything that has happened since. That said he is no stranger to confirmation bias so it's not particularly alignment indicative for him to not have developed further.

What's hilarious about this is that I actually find myself agreeing with him about the corruption level now that I think about it. I might choose to go myself and gain some information. I don't think I'm going to take any action involving my role as it exists now. That may change later on, because I don't know much about my role!

I didn't realize a different mini actually had multiple scum teams, but the OP reads as if there's only one (especially given the stated 1 KP) so until I have reason to believe otherwise I am going to play under that assumption. I don't see much merit in speculating about the two scum team theory.

I already stated why I take Hapa's claim at face value and dismissing that read because it looks like buddying is absurd. If I am indeed mafia, why would I buddy with a competing alignment? If we were both mafia, why would we need to "buddy up"? Rayn's reasoning here is obviously flawed, and as he himself admitted he has too many scumreads for them all to co-exist.

Shockey's list post was particularly awful. It is early sure but that was a series of thin one-liners that displayed a lack of critical thought about the game, especially as it pertains to me. I have not refused to cooperate with anyone. I have stated how I wanted to play the game and I have done so. Rayn's meta-defense of my scumread of Shockey for his posting leaves me less than enthused if this is what I should expect from a player who thinks they are analytical. Rayn's seeming certainty of Shockey's alignment is unsettling, to say the least. I have to assume knowledge outside of the thread, and the withholding of that knowledge is inherently anti-town in my opinion.

There are a lot of players in this game I don't have much of an opinion on because of their sparse, conversational and interaction based posting. Grack seems to be solely reactive. Onegu, likewise, seems to be mostly reactive outside of his claim. Ticktock's posting appeared rather bland and inoffensive, but was more substantive in comparison.

One person I absolutely do not care for is Acro. He is hyper-focused on Hapa's claim to a fault. His comments on anything outside of that since the early parts of the game are sparse. He wrote a whole bunch of nothing about my spat with Rayn and has followed up on literally nothing except his evaluation of a single 3p claim. This fixation is something that appears genuine, but could easily come from mafia. I do not trust him.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 30 2020 05:51 GMT
#668
I hope people become more forthcoming on Day 1. All this secrecy hurts town. Too many questions.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 30 2020 06:05 GMT
#671
Shockey if you're town you should at least explain something about your role at this point.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 30 2020 06:12 GMT
#674
Rayn ITT: ignore/dismiss everything I post in favor of continuing to scumread me for my first post in the game.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 30 2020 06:14 GMT
#675
On October 30 2020 15:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2020 15:05 yamato77 wrote:
Shockey if you're town you should at least explain something about your role at this point.


I sell insurance, you know, protection.

Why would you think your night action is worse than visiting the database if your claim is true?
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 30 2020 06:20 GMT
#677
On October 30 2020 15:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2020 15:14 yamato77 wrote:
On October 30 2020 15:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On October 30 2020 15:05 yamato77 wrote:
Shockey if you're town you should at least explain something about your role at this point.


I sell insurance, you know, protection.

Why would you think your night action is worse than visiting the database if your claim is true?


I didn’t say that.

You have repeatedly said that you are the best person to check the database which implies that you have nothing better to do or that you have some sort of special interaction with the database which runs counter to the claim.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 30 2020 06:24 GMT
#679
If I was mafia I would just kill Hapa for his claim Rayn. That's why I said he should be protected.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 30 2020 06:28 GMT
#681
Also I wrote a lot of words about you because I think you're wrong about a LOT of stuff (obviously including my alignment) and it's important to contend with those incorrect assertions.

I'm not sure if I should or should not think this could come from scum Rayn. I absolutely think it's possible you are intentionally misleading a lot of people about a lot of things. I am very suspicious of you.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 30 2020 06:31 GMT
#684
On October 30 2020 15:28 Onegu wrote:
Hey question. I know I'm a idiot but with the corruption at 1 right now and it only having shit happen at 1,3,5 don't we want as many people as possible going tonight? To get the most clues?

That is correct. Assuming we don't value keeping the corruption as low as possible for as long as possible. But this early with no real town consensus I think it's inevitable that it will go up.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 30 2020 06:35 GMT
#688
Onegu you should read the damn thread.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 30 2020 06:43 GMT
#692
I still strongly dislike Shockey and his dodging of my line of questioning when he's obviously still here reading the thread is really strange. If you're town you already put a target on your back with your claim so just COME OUT WITH IT.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 30 2020 06:56 GMT
#695
I'm checking Rayn. I don't trust him. His "claim" makes no sense to me and he refuses to say anything to anyone and is basically only antagonistic to people trying to build trust and consensus.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 30 2020 07:04 GMT
#699
On October 30 2020 16:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You mean like my claim doesnt make sense because i am refusing to claim??? lolol

You claimed your role makes you sure that Shockey is town and you posted in the thread that you activated some part of your role, though no host message followed like it did Dirk's.

And yes, your refusal to be more forthcoming is ridiculous.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 30 2020 07:10 GMT
#704
On October 30 2020 16:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2020 16:04 yamato77 wrote:
On October 30 2020 16:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You mean like my claim doesnt make sense because i am refusing to claim??? lolol

You claimed your role makes you sure that Shockey is town and you posted in the thread that you activated some part of your role, though no host message followed like it did Dirk's.

And yes, your refusal to be more forthcoming is ridiculous.

I already said the first part is not true.
Everything else is nonsense. Me using a power and not telling what i did is in no way scummy.

So you lied in the thread, called me mafia because my read on Shockey was "too easy", repeated my exact line of questioning re: Shockey's motivations and still think I'm mafia because I "write too much".

I think you just don't really read my posts. This is exactly what I expect unfortunately so whatever. Continue to be wrong if you must.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 30 2020 07:16 GMT
#710
On October 30 2020 16:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont understand what you mean by your line of questioning re: Shockeyy?

Then you're not reading my posts, as I said.

In a gesture of good faith, I will go IN MY OWN FILTER and show you the posts you made later on basically verbatim:

On October 29 2020 04:53 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 04:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I have one question about the game:

"Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways."

So is there more than just town/mafia? :D

Btw I commit to checking out the database. I personally think I'm the best person to check it out.

Why do you think you're a good candidate?


On October 29 2020 05:37 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 05:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On October 29 2020 04:53 yamato77 wrote:
On October 29 2020 04:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I have one question about the game:

"Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways."

So is there more than just town/mafia? :D

Btw I commit to checking out the database. I personally think I'm the best person to check it out.

Why do you think you're a good candidate?


I just am. I have no malintent for our database.

I wish for you to be more forthcoming about your claim here. What do you intend to do if you do go to the database? Why should we trust you?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 30 2020 07:18 GMT
#712
On October 30 2020 16:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
I think you just don't really read my posts. This is exactly what I expect unfortunately so whatever. Continue to be wrong if you must.
i also thought you think i am mafia and not "wrong"? Which is it?

Who knows. I don't have to know your alignment on Night 0. I am suspicious of you. I attempt to work under the assumption that you're town and wrong in order to make you see the light of day but you generally refuse to be reasoned with so I grow weary. At some point I have to just treat you like you're mafia if you refuse to cooperate.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 30 2020 07:27 GMT
#715
On October 30 2020 16:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2020 16:16 yamato77 wrote:
On October 30 2020 16:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont understand what you mean by your line of questioning re: Shockeyy?

Then you're not reading my posts, as I said.

In a gesture of good faith, I will go IN MY OWN FILTER and show you the posts you made later on basically verbatim:

On October 29 2020 04:53 yamato77 wrote:
On October 29 2020 04:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I have one question about the game:

"Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways."

So is there more than just town/mafia? :D

Btw I commit to checking out the database. I personally think I'm the best person to check it out.

Why do you think you're a good candidate?


On October 29 2020 05:37 yamato77 wrote:
On October 29 2020 05:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On October 29 2020 04:53 yamato77 wrote:
On October 29 2020 04:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So I have one question about the game:

"Other factions may be able to use the database in their own ways."

So is there more than just town/mafia? :D

Btw I commit to checking out the database. I personally think I'm the best person to check it out.

Why do you think you're a good candidate?


I just am. I have no malintent for our database.

I wish for you to be more forthcoming about your claim here. What do you intend to do if you do go to the database? Why should we trust you?

I have eead those posts, I dont understand why this is a reason for me to change my read on you?

Think critically about this game and how I've played. I come into the thread with a Shockey scumread and you DECLARE that he's town. You lied. You call me mafia (at least partly) because my scumread of Shockey is "too easy". You then recent your claim and try to ask the EXACT SAME QUESTIONS to Shockey about his motivations and the inherent logical inconsistencies in his posts that I already pointed at while apparently continue to believe that my suspicion of him comes from a mafia perspective?

How does that make sense, exactly? Why should I trust a player who plays like this? How am I supposed to interact with you? These are questions I do not have an answer to. I just have to assume your alignment at some point because I cannot make a whole lot of sense out of what's going on there.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 30 2020 07:33 GMT
#717
I personally think the best lynch tomorrow is Acro. Onegu and Grack I don't really expect much from as town, so it's a crapshoot to try to lynch them. I made my case on Acro and that has largely gone unresponded to so I stand by it.
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