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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2020 15:58 GMT
#181
but since grack said that i vote that AT LEAST grack goes :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2020 15:59 GMT
#182
so hapa is 3p.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
October 28 2020 15:59 GMT
#183
On October 29 2020 00:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 00:49 Acrofales wrote:
On October 29 2020 00:42 iamperfection wrote:
On October 29 2020 00:39 Acrofales wrote:
On October 29 2020 00:34 Hapahauli wrote:
On October 29 2020 00:24 Acrofales wrote:
On October 29 2020 00:19 Hapahauli wrote:
Slightly town.

I did like his thoughts about the game mechanic. However, him thinking critically about the game mechanic can mean any number of things:
1) Pro-town contribution from a player who is thinking about how to get information for the town;
2) A third-party who's win-condition is somehow tied to usage of the TL Mafia Database;
3) A mafia member who has enough extra information about the Database to know that his idea is either pro-mafia or ultimately harmless to mafia's objectives.

I lean towards #1, because the information deficit of town is a disadvantage to town in the theme games I have played.

Do you always post this... constructed?


I try to present my reads in a very constructed format.

That all being said, I'm having a bit of a hard time thinking about how I want to approach this game, because my role has two win conditions. One is that I can win with town, and the other is... a bit strange, but potentially pro-town. I may choose to reveal more as I learn more about the setup.

I hate survivor claims. But yeah, feel free to afk all game. Zzzzz.

What no we force him to win with town I will make him

Okay... lead the way. But color me skeptical that you can force a survivor to do much of anything. I briefly entertained the idea that he's a scummer fake claiming early on to afk all game but it just seems so... lazy. I mean. Maybe? I guess we just don't let him use it as a "get out of lynch free" card.

For starters, @Hapa: you have to visit the TL Database tonight. You don't get to use your Night Actions as I don't trust you.


I wish I could say I was purely a survivor, but my alternate win-con is a good deal more complicated than that. After all, it's a Greymist game.

That all being said, I don't mind visiting the database, but I have a couple of questions:

1) I thought we were playing "resistance" for Database slots.
2) Why do you believe you can force me to do anything, if you freely admit that you can't generally force survivors do to anything?
3) Why do you discount the possibility that my win-con may have something to do with the Database?

Why do you care why he cares ?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2020 16:00 GMT
#184
and i mean like just a fucking 3p, not a "town but shit"
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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 28 2020 16:00 GMT
#185
On October 29 2020 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
but since grack said that i vote that AT LEAST grack goes :D

That'll show me.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
October 28 2020 16:01 GMT
#186
Also one person suggested the resistance shit nobody really got behind it? Misreading thread why?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2020 16:01 GMT
#187
On October 29 2020 01:00 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
but since grack said that i vote that AT LEAST grack goes :D

That'll show me.

It's no bad if youre town, it's bad for you if you are scum, so good for me anyways <3
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2020 16:02 GMT
#188
On October 29 2020 01:01 iamperfection wrote:
Also one person suggested the resistance shit nobody really got behind it? Misreading thread why?

yes i got it
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2020 16:07 GMT
#189
iamp:

who do you feel comfortable reading in the playerlist and who not:
+ Show Spoiler +
1. Iamperfection
2. Hapahauli
3. Grackaroni
4. Onegu
5. Dirkzor
6. Acrofales
7. ShoCkeyy
8. Alakaslam
9. Tictock
10. Koshi
11. Raynpelikoneet
12. Yamato77
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
October 28 2020 16:10 GMT
#190
Ah, I thought that Acro had suggested the resistance game, and it was actually Dirkzor.

If I was purely 3p, I wouldn't claim. A pure 3p wouldn't likely get any advantage from giving town information.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2020 16:10 GMT
#191
On October 29 2020 01:10 Hapahauli wrote:
Ah, I thought that Acro had suggested the resistance game, and it was actually Dirkzor.

If I was purely 3p, I wouldn't claim. A pure 3p wouldn't likely get any advantage from giving town information.

I guess that makes you mafia then
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
October 28 2020 16:11 GMT
#192
Here we go again.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2020 16:12 GMT
#193
On October 29 2020 01:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Here we go again.

Oh i am not gonna "go"
It's okay, you do you.
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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 28 2020 16:13 GMT
#194
On October 29 2020 01:10 Hapahauli wrote:
Ah, I thought that Acro had suggested the resistance game, and it was actually Dirkzor.

If I was purely 3p, I wouldn't claim. A pure 3p wouldn't likely get any advantage from giving town information.

I'll give you that.

I think it's a terrible idea to volunteer that you have an alternative win-con as 3P. All it does is generate suspicion on you and give an easy push for mafia.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
October 28 2020 16:14 GMT
#195
On October 29 2020 01:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
iamp:

who do you feel comfortable reading in the playerlist and who not:
+ Show Spoiler +
1. Iamperfection
2. Hapahauli
3. Grackaroni
4. Onegu
5. Dirkzor
6. Acrofales
7. ShoCkeyy
8. Alakaslam
9. Tictock
10. Koshi
11. Raynpelikoneet
12. Yamato77

Everybody but acro
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2020 16:14 GMT
#196
oh god...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2020 16:15 GMT
#197
On October 29 2020 01:14 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 01:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
iamp:

who do you feel comfortable reading in the playerlist and who not:
+ Show Spoiler +
1. Iamperfection
2. Hapahauli
3. Grackaroni
4. Onegu
5. Dirkzor
6. Acrofales
7. ShoCkeyy
8. Alakaslam
9. Tictock
10. Koshi
11. Raynpelikoneet
12. Yamato77

Everybody but acro

Okay. Good.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18299 Posts
October 28 2020 16:16 GMT
#198
On October 29 2020 00:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 00:49 Acrofales wrote:
On October 29 2020 00:42 iamperfection wrote:
On October 29 2020 00:39 Acrofales wrote:
On October 29 2020 00:34 Hapahauli wrote:
On October 29 2020 00:24 Acrofales wrote:
On October 29 2020 00:19 Hapahauli wrote:
Slightly town.

I did like his thoughts about the game mechanic. However, him thinking critically about the game mechanic can mean any number of things:
1) Pro-town contribution from a player who is thinking about how to get information for the town;
2) A third-party who's win-condition is somehow tied to usage of the TL Mafia Database;
3) A mafia member who has enough extra information about the Database to know that his idea is either pro-mafia or ultimately harmless to mafia's objectives.

I lean towards #1, because the information deficit of town is a disadvantage to town in the theme games I have played.

Do you always post this... constructed?


I try to present my reads in a very constructed format.

That all being said, I'm having a bit of a hard time thinking about how I want to approach this game, because my role has two win conditions. One is that I can win with town, and the other is... a bit strange, but potentially pro-town. I may choose to reveal more as I learn more about the setup.

I hate survivor claims. But yeah, feel free to afk all game. Zzzzz.

What no we force him to win with town I will make him

Okay... lead the way. But color me skeptical that you can force a survivor to do much of anything. I briefly entertained the idea that he's a scummer fake claiming early on to afk all game but it just seems so... lazy. I mean. Maybe? I guess we just don't let him use it as a "get out of lynch free" card.

For starters, @Hapa: you have to visit the TL Database tonight. You don't get to use your Night Actions as I don't trust you.


I wish I could say I was purely a survivor, but my alternate win-con is a good deal more complicated than that. After all, it's a Greymist game.

That all being said, I don't mind visiting the database, but I have a couple of questions:

1) I thought we were playing "resistance" for Database slots.
2) Why do you believe you can force me to do anything, if you freely admit that you can't generally force survivors do to anything?
3) Why do you discount the possibility that my win-con may have something to do with the Database?


(1) What gave you that idea? Dirkzor and Slam want to play resistance. I don't see how that helps at all. I'd rather send people I don't trust to stop them from doing anything else at night.
(2) You're right. But I *can* vote for you. And if enough other people agree you are anti-town 3p and need to die.. well... good luck surviving being thrown out of the airlock.
(3) Right. But why do I care about your wincon unless it's anti-town. Is visiting the database anti-town? it sounds pretty useful to me. And I don't trust you to use your night actions to further town's goals. Anyway, it doesn't really matter: if we don't tell you to go to the database you might go anyway, regardless of what we instruct you to do. So how is your wincon relevant to this?

Anyway, it's mostly to stop you from using any night actions that might harm town. At least if you go to the database we can somewhat verify that you did, as presumably the info you get can be doublechecked with the player you ask for info on.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 28 2020 16:19 GMT
#199
On October 29 2020 01:13 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 01:10 Hapahauli wrote:
Ah, I thought that Acro had suggested the resistance game, and it was actually Dirkzor.

If I was purely 3p, I wouldn't claim. A pure 3p wouldn't likely get any advantage from giving town information.

I'll give you that.

I think it's a terrible idea to volunteer that you have an alternative win-con as 3P. All it does is generate suspicion on you and give an easy push for mafia.

why is hapa not mafia? your post implicates that there is no chance he is mafia.
table for two on a tv tray
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 28 2020 16:21 GMT
#200
On October 29 2020 01:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 01:13 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 29 2020 01:10 Hapahauli wrote:
Ah, I thought that Acro had suggested the resistance game, and it was actually Dirkzor.

If I was purely 3p, I wouldn't claim. A pure 3p wouldn't likely get any advantage from giving town information.

I'll give you that.

I think it's a terrible idea to volunteer that you have an alternative win-con as 3P. All it does is generate suspicion on you and give an easy push for mafia.

why is hapa not mafia? your post implicates that there is no chance he is mafia.

It's possible but then I think he'd probably be a mafia with an alternate win condition which is a little stranger than town with one imo.
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