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Trfel
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On August 17 2020 12:46 Eywa- wrote: Can I ask you to explain this? I don't understand how LightningStrike town slipped here.I think LS town slipped when I was "fishing" for the medic in response to HoldenGolden. That would mean Damdred and Trfel are mafia. | ||
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On August 18 2020 01:56 Dadred wrote: Yes I get it, it still seems super super suspicious to me though. But Eywa- is continuing to be insufferable and literally impossible to work with.I'm not I'm telling him he's acting scummy that's totally different. Trfel you've played with me probably 20 games plus, how many times have I dug my heels in and not lynched someone just because of a gut read. Why would I ever want to lynch a town Read that makes no sense. I guess in the end I'm not sure who is mafia after all  Other than LightningStrike that is.Please can we just lynch the obvious mafia? | ||
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Trfel
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On August 18 2020 02:17 Dadred wrote: Why doesn't the innocent LightningStrike apply to his scumgame too? Admittedly I'm not LightningStrike expert, but I don't see why him quoting past games or missing jokes or stuff like that has any bearing on his alignment.I'm sorry I just don't think he is scum, he is just innocent LS here. Even my joke that went over his head he over explained his reasoning even went and quoted old games. I'm not voting LS today. My take on his play is that most of his play this game looks like his normal play, but there are a few key things that stick out and make him mafia. So I understand that he looks like he could be town from his general play, but have you thought about those things I've commented on? I mostly just ask because Eywa- openly said he didn't even bother to read my posts :/ | ||
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Trfel
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Correct me if I'm wrong but you're saying LightningStrike is town because if he is mafia we lose? I don't get it. | ||
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On August 18 2020 04:53 Dadred wrote: It would have to be Eywa- or you, from my perspective. Fecalfeast claimed doctor, so he is town. Mr. Cheesecake/Onegu was likely shot Night 1, and even if not, I was reading him as town anyway.You know, I believe that all posts deserve to be read. I did read your post and I like the attention that you played especially around the Holden lunch to how LS read on FF does not quite align with his words in the thread. So I'm going to divert for a second if you will ok teams, we are at the point where it's ok to talk about teams of people. Who would be the teammate to LS? Honestly, both combinations I could see. Eywa- has had a weird townread on LightningStrike the entire game and I have not been able to understand it (like I can't understand what Eywa- is saying, not even if it is justified or not). LightningStrike has been weird towards Eywa- too. And I already commented on why I find your read on LightningStrike suspect. At the moment I'm not super confident who is mafia. I really hope Eywa- is mafia because I really hope he wouldn't play this obnoxiously as town, but unfortunately I can't say that for sure... so I'm leaning towards you being mafia. But I am still working on it. | ||
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Trfel
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On August 18 2020 05:12 Dadred wrote: Yeah, I know I need to figure out what's going on. Can you at least see why your read on LightningStrike seems so suspicious to me though? Like I get that reads can change and people can defend light townreads or even null reads (heck, I hard defend null reads all the time myself), it just doesn't read like that's what happened to me though. And maybe I'm wrong in that, if I am wrong it's my fault. That said it's the only solid reason I have, so I do need to re-evaluate.You know old damdred would turn toxic here. But man it's nice actually just having a conversation. Here's the world I'm working with there's only three possible yes that probably can exist I think. And this is just from a bird's eye view. Damdred/LS Ewya/LS Trfel/Ewya This is the world everyone should be living in today. I'm sort of starting to lean one way between the bottom two teams but I don't want to say quite yet. Here's the deal about me though, I always change my mind on the fly whenever I do and tbh I always dig my heels in when I want something over something else especially when someone I'm townreading is being lynched. I think Ewya has been the scummiest person today. He's lived in a world where I've been mafia from the start with no way around it and thought you were scum yesterday called Shockeyy a townread at points but also had you as scum. And voted with you, with his scum read and voted a townread. I really hope you also go back and read how he's painting every thing I say or do today as scum because he needs one ml to win. Just look at how the two sides in the me v Ewya are playing. One is wanting time to evaluate after two flips of information while the other is instantly pushing a lunch with no reevaluation for days. Trfel we have to lunch between the two of us today. If I don't get lynched I will listen very seriously on LS but this between me and Eywa has to be determined. I agree that Eywa-'s play has been detrimental to town, unfortunately I don't know if that is a mafia tell for Eywa- honestly. Like from my perspective, you have objectively been "townier," but it's not about who looks better or plays better, it's about who is what. And that's tougher. | ||
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Trfel
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I understand where you're coming from. I am also not necessarily in a huge rush because for town to get a majority (four votes) we do need Onegu's vote. So until Onegu posts (and Onegu, please do post, we don't bite) if I don't know who is mafia I'm going to keep reading and trying to figure it out. | ||
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I think the issue I've run into is that I'm too much of a feelings based player. I don't know if I could ever lynch a player who is kind and working with me over a player who refuses to re-evaluate or answer questions or read my posts. But that doesn't make it right necessarily. I will keep thinking about it and at some point soon share my thoughts. But I will defer to Fecalfeast/Onegu ulrimately. | ||
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Trfel
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On August 18 2020 07:24 Fecalfeast wrote: No worries. Like I said, we can't lynch without Onegu anyway, as it requires four for majority. So I really hope Onegu comes before tomorrow or it's a lost game.I don't want to kill today I've been sweating all day at work and have barely skimmed anything but i think we should take one of our 2 extra days now | ||
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Trfel
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We need Onegu to show up. Badly. | ||
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Prepare at 3 days 0 hours Lynch at 2 days 0 hours Silent night ends at 1 day 0 hours Final lynch. So we still have 48 hours for Onegu to show up, right? Or am I missing something? | ||
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I still don't know for certain who is mafia between Damdred and Eywa-. Tonight I am leaning more towards Eywa- but I keep rereading their filters and being confused. I think I'm going to look at an Eywa- meta game or two. | ||
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Trfel
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My best guess at a meaningful way to distinguish Eywa-'s town game from his scum game is that when Eywa- is town, he cares more about who is lynched and seeing his scumreads get lynched. In the Eywa- mafia game I read, Eywa- made his scumreads known but seemed less invested in following through on them. It's tricky because he still discussed and argued about them, it just lacked the same conviction I saw from his town play, if that makes sense. But I don't know how that applies to Eywa-'s play in this game. It's a bit different with the majority lynch and timed game as opposed to the normal plurality lynch, it makes it more compelling to just lynch anyone instead of being selective about lynches. I guess in the end, I don't get the impression that Eywa- has been too invested in this game or really caring about what happens. He certainly pushes his reads, but doesn't fight or push back when people disagree or don't listen. So my conclusion of the meta attempt is slightly scummy with a very large side of me being bad at meta. I am not sure how meta reads would apply to Damdred given that he hasn't played in so long, I know years of inactivity changed my play significantly. | ||
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Trfel
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The way this game works is a majority lynch system (as opposed to the typical plurality lynch system). For today, there are six players alive, so four votes are required to lynch. Every 24 hours, there is an official vote count and if some player has a majority of votes (for today, 4+), they are lynched. The game also has a time limit, ending with a town loss in 4-5 days, so we can't take too long. As such, it is critical for town to vote together. And your vote is much needed in this. Fecalfeast has claimed doctor and has not been counterclaimed, so he is town. Fecalfeast targeted Mr. Cheesecake Night 1 (who you replaced), and there was no kill Night 1, so it is likely that mafia shot Mr. Cheesecake but Fecalfeast saved it. That leaves four unconfirmed players: Dadred/Damdred (who replaced the inactive GTacc), Eywa-, LightningStrike, and myself. Two of which are mafia, two of which are town. And it's MYLO, with mafia having a roleblocker, so a mislynch now loses the game. Naturally I would like to point you to some of my posts/reads to get you going, but I'm biased, so I will leave this post neutral and unbiased. | ||
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On August 19 2020 04:52 Fecalfeast wrote: To be honest, even though I agree with your conclusion, I kinda disagree with the analysis. Mafia stacking a town wagon doesn't necessarily mean the other wagon was mafia.Very cool if you're actually town to hold the game hostage like this. Do you disagree with my wagonalysis? | ||
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Trfel
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I'm around if anyone wants to talk about anything. Though other than agonizing over Eywa- and Damdred, I don't know how much there is to talk about. | ||
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