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On July 14 2020 11:32 Jockmcplop wrote:
How does me asking why rayn said VE was mafia make me mafia?
It was stupid, yeah, but you can see why i made that mistake.
Rayn was basically saying i'm lying about everything and then saying he trusts my claim, except i didn't think any deeper than that and realise that VE is clear either way.
Anyway, fuck it idc if i die, just VE please don't assume i'm mafia because rayn will kill you tonight so if you can get some *other* mafia playing than talking about why i'm mafia done in the next few hours it will probably help.
Rayn's got chez in his pocket for lylo anyway so i think the game's lost.
If anyone reads this when i'm dead rayn is mafia.
Can i just say that again, rayn is mafia.
Its rayn.
Yo I want nothing more than for it to be rayn. You know it. But Ryan's case in d1 isn't a mafia case. Think about it man.
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On July 14 2020 11:42 Jockmcplop wrote:
He played a perfect game VE.
No matter that he lynched a town yesterday with us.
His game was 'perfect'.
100% of his actions went exactly as he wanted.
Perfect.
I promise you that no matter what happens, rayn will say his game was perfect. At least 90% of rayn's games were perfect in his mind.
So you're saying rayn's case on D1 was TMI? I mean I can see it. You saw me, I was skeptical at first - your prodding of Slam got me to consider him D1 and land me on the wrong side of the lynch, so obviously I thought rayn's case wasn't perfect.
The thing is Trfel's entrance and subsequent off-fuckery was objectively scummy so it doesn't matter whether it was TMI or not, he was just generally likely to attract votes. And rayn's stated reasoning for separating it from an inactive lynch made sense to me.
Why do you think it's more likely that rayn is mafia and bussed his partner then that rayn is town, got a bug up his ass for Trfel based on his entrance, and then bussed him to oblivion the way town rayn always does?
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Like if rayn is mafia, his game wasn't perfect. He idiotically bussed his partner D1, Trfel could've ridden for D1 and came back blazing D2 it happens ALL the time. There's no long-con justification for bussing your partner D1 in mafia it's a numbers game dog.
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Like if rayn makes it to D3 he JUST dies man, it will never ever work out for rayn just don't even worry about rayn. WHO IS IT IF IT'S NOT RAYN, JOCK?
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Not D3, final 3. If rayn is in the final 3 I can't see anyone alive in the game who doesn't get paranoid and lynch him. PLEASE stop worrying about rayn.
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I am man, but I'm trying to break you from this rayn train. He's toast if it's rayn dude I promise. I can't see a path to victory for him, EVERYONE will lynch him in the end.
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On July 14 2020 11:57 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2020 11:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like if rayn makes it to D3 he JUST dies man, it will never ever work out for rayn just don't even worry about rayn. WHO IS IT IF IT'S NOT RAYN, JOCK? Probably chezinu because all of that in the last post could apply to chezinu too, but to a lesser degree (ie he was 'less' comfortable at the time of TT's death).
I mean I've thought it was Chezinu for a while it's only RAYN that keeps me from voting him. And nostalgia.
God damnit, Cake was suspicious of Chez too and Cake died in the night.
Jockmcplop would you start a counterwagon with me?
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I'm going to try and find some sort of smoking gun that leads from Ticktock to Chezinu. Wish me luck.
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On July 09 2020 08:07 Tictock wrote:
Rayn I don't expect much, but can you throw a bit to help me understand why you feel Chez is town?
I get he is sorta claiming his "character name" but I don't see how that helps identify him as town. As far as I am aware we all received a character for flavor purposes but doesn't determine alignment.
Trfel's only post is hot garbage. Excuse into throwing shade based on what happend in another game.
This is the only thing I can see that might irk Chez into killing Ticktock. He shaded Chez and in the same breath invoked the role PMs, maybe he got a role read off him.
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On July 14 2020 12:04 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2020 08:07 Tictock wrote:
Rayn I don't expect much, but can you throw a bit to help me understand why you feel Chez is town?
I get he is sorta claiming his "character name" but I don't see how that helps identify him as town. As far as I am aware we all received a character for flavor purposes but doesn't determine alignment.
Trfel's only post is hot garbage. Excuse into throwing shade based on what happend in another game. This is the only thing I can see that might irk Chez into killing Ticktock. He shaded Chez and in the same breath invoked the role PMs, maybe he got a role read off him.
Reposted for visibility. Also Chez is renown for being a role-player. Not as in roleplayer as in playing a character which he's ALSO renown for, but also for sniffing out roles as both alignments. NOTORIOUS, I think he's as good as like BC or Ver at shit like that. I think his D1 would have been SEARCHING for posts like this that make Chez think that the player is thinking about their role vs being vanilla and forgetting it instantly.
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Mmmmmm......I can absolutely see Chezinu second-on-the-wagon on his partner too. Yeeeeesss I can see it quite clearly in my mind's eye it's quite easy. I can see it as if it were the truth.
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On July 14 2020 12:08 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2020 12:04 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 09 2020 08:07 Tictock wrote:
Rayn I don't expect much, but can you throw a bit to help me understand why you feel Chez is town?
I get he is sorta claiming his "character name" but I don't see how that helps identify him as town. As far as I am aware we all received a character for flavor purposes but doesn't determine alignment.
Trfel's only post is hot garbage. Excuse into throwing shade based on what happend in another game. This is the only thing I can see that might irk Chez into killing Ticktock. He shaded Chez and in the same breath invoked the role PMs, maybe he got a role read off him. Just saw this. Its not exactly a smoking gun. I know chez has payed close attention to rayn this game. Rayn suggesting we check me/tictock and then chez killing tictock does make alot of sense.
It makes perfect sense, that's 50/50 that he killed the person they checked. I was absolutely going to mention that Cake ALMOST CERTIANLY checked Ticktock and that whoever...
omg you just figured it out that's EXACTLY why Chez kills TT. Because he knows that if HE'S checked, then he's fucked anyway it's him vs the claim, but if TT is checked, then he just fucked the role because the role gets no result and their check is wasted.
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rayn come back and read this and either vote Chez with us and we'll hold hands and vote Jock tomorrow if we're wrong or explain to me why I'm wrong about my deep meta understanding of Chez' play and you're right about your "hehehe demons and Fischer and puppies he's town" read.
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I'm almost certain. I'm sad, I don't like lynching Chez, but I do it if I think he's mafia. And I really think he's mafia here.
Rayn vote Chez I'm almost certain he's mafia
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He's got you pocketed rayn, crawl out of the pocket. I'm holding it open dog just crawl out. We're waiting for you.
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Okay this is dicey. I just realized Chez is part of rayn's win condition if it IS rayn and so will not be convinced - and that will look identical to rayn having an unshakable town read on Chez as town if it's someone like Slam.
You're right, we have to be sure.
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Like the game very well could be decided on this lynch. :/
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And I'm the only clear.
Swell.
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Well I did already try. Read my posts, I didn't just repeatedly say "don't worry about it" until the end here.
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On July 14 2020 12:44 Jockmcplop wrote:
For my part, I hated the way rayn came into today like slam is the lynch but without even the slightest open mind toward me not being mafia. I cant square that circle. It looks pure scum. If there's some ironclad argument from earlier in the game that i'm not getting it coudl do with explaining now.
Here's why it makes sense from a town rayn mindset:
He's got this FIRM townread on Chez and me - so from his perspective it's either you or Slam, and if you survive another night you get auto-lynched the next day. It's the safe play because if he's wrong and it's Slam, he wins too.
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