I don't usually do something like this but now i will. I think in case there is a cop / tracker they should be checking into TT and Jock aka the off-wagon voters. We can figure out the Slam wagon. If you're a tracker you're basically a cop now because the last mafia has to send in the night kill.

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July 09 2020 19:12 GMT

#434

On July 09 2020 17:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
Slam susses me all day and then without explanation other than 'i can see it being trfel' just switches his vote. What is that? Why?

This post VE?

raynpelikoneet

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July 09 2020 20:10 GMT

#460

I am trying to figure out why Jock didn't vote.

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July 09 2020 20:12 GMT

#461

I am going to do what i can tomorrow, but i am working from 7 hours from now and after that we are leaving to meet relatives. So high chance is you're not gonna get much help from me before sunday. Aka there is a chance that you're not gonna get help from me much at all...

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July 09 2020 20:15 GMT

#463

On July 10 2020 05:13 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I thought Jock voted for me? :O

yeah i meant on the main wagons.

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July 10 2020 07:35 GMT

#493

Hmm... i dont really believe that. I dont think you suspected me, or chezinu, cake hadnt even voted until last second and slam was the opposing wagon which you should have voted if you suspected him.

I dont think it really adds up.

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July 11 2020 07:58 GMT

#571

Well in my opinion this makes VE town. I didnt really think he is mafia anyways after our chat N1. And i dont think shockeyy ever invents the whole rolename thing from the start of the game as mafia. Its just wayyy too convoluted and i think he actually really believed in it. I am not lynching into trfel wagon. And there i find there to be a big contradiction in jock's not voting for any wagon. I cant multi quote on phone easily so just look at my filter and my discussion with him during N1, or i can clarify that when i get back home tomorrow.

##vote jockmcplop

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July 11 2020 17:24 GMT

#578

Like idk. My case is just very simple. Jock didnt want to vote for Trfel. The reason he didnt want to vote for slam either is because shockeyy who he thought is mafia is voting for slam (so he didnt think slam is scum). He didnt ever think either one of me and chezinu is mafia. Cake had not voted until very last second. But this is why he didnt want to save trfel:

On July 10 2020 16:02 Jockmcplop wrote:

Show nested quote +

Basically after the last game I didn't wanna be the guy who lynched someone last second for bad reasons again, and i wasn't that sure of my reason for wanting slam dead. I also wasn't overly bothered about saving trfel, even though i was suspicious of his wagon.

Who could this magically suspicious person in Trfel wagon be now???? Because i just can't see any from his pov.

I just think this does not add up.

raynpelikoneet

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July 11 2020 17:30 GMT

#580

I also think it makes sense from mafia pov to not vote for either of the wagons since you dont controbute EITHER towards a mislynch or lynching a townie (both of which can be seen bad by townies). Cake was on slam until last second, so slam was already getting lynched there.

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July 11 2020 17:31 GMT

#581

Ebwop: controbute towards a mislynch or lynching your teammate, i got lost with words but you get what i mean.

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July 12 2020 12:51 GMT

#627

Im home in an hour. Jock be around if you can.

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July 12 2020 14:05 GMT

#632

On July 12 2020 21:51 Jockmcplop wrote:
if its for an inquisition, no thanks

No it's not lol, you too know you effectively killed yourself in case youre mafia.

##unvote
##vote shockeyy

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July 12 2020 14:06 GMT

#633

VE and Cake, who would you have killed if you were mafia? What would your game plan be after Trfel is dead?

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July 12 2020 14:23 GMT

#637

Well it's really whatever... Basically the only three people i can see making this night kill were shockeyy, jock and Cake. Which is even more likely in my opinion that VE isn't actually mafia. I think i know VE well enough that i know what he would do if he was mafia but let's see what he answers.

I don't think it was really a smart play for cake to vote Trfel instead of Slam on D1 if she was scum. But idk... The TT kill is really really weird and me myself saw it a possible attempt to frame Cake for the kill. The problem is that noone is trying to take advantage of that. Basically if Cake is mafia the game becomes harder for her as he pretty much eliminated a suspect that is going to be lynched over her anyways. I mean like, she only has to say "i hammered Trfel you didn't even vote for him" against TT and that will be enough like 99% of the time. However i am not completely sure this is how Cake thinks but what she just said in pretty much in line with this.

raynpelikoneet

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July 12 2020 14:33 GMT

#639

I dont understand what you mean?

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July 12 2020 14:39 GMT

#642

On July 12 2020 23:35 CopCake wrote:
That a play to “frame cake” can never happen unless you decide to make it, you are the only person that know how good I can be as a “red role”, the times I have been mafia on TL I Have been terrible.

I dont think that has anything to do with what i know or dont know, because noone here in this game knows what i know or dont know. I think that's a reasonably possible play for someone to try.

raynpelikoneet

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July 12 2020 14:39 GMT

#643

It doesn't matter though since it didn't happen apparently.

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July 12 2020 14:42 GMT

#646

Alright so yeah, i think VE would definitely shoot into Trfel wagon in case he was mafia. It's simply just the best play ESPECIALLY if you voted not Trfel. I don't think VE makes "weird" night kills, he plays the "easiest possible route for a win" game.

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July 12 2020 14:42 GMT

#647

On July 12 2020 23:41 CopCake wrote:

Show nested quote +

Not with the “I got tfrl lynched” card. Hard to pull off.

The thing is if you did not vote for Trfel everything is hard to pull off.
And everyone who voted for Trfel can just kill everyone else in the Trfel wagon beside themselves and win.