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On June 10 2020 06:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2020 06:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I seriously doubt I'll play a game with Zey again. Well she was the most factually correct poster in the game D3. You and Vivax just created bullshit on the fly (as town lol) and tried to shove it down people's throats. Regardless of if you were right or wrong doesn't matter, i think i would have voted either of you in the end 100 times out of 100 if i was in her position.
So this post was bullshit?
On June 07 2020 09:11 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2020 15:51 Trfel wrote:I dunno Tictock, I'm having trouble getting much useful information from the posts you spoilered. Sorry  But seriously, I don't know why people really think I am mafia here. I can understand not thinking I am town, but I don't understand why everyone is so convinced I am mafia. Yes, my activity was quite poor earlier. However, I've changed that now. I'm here, I'm present, I'm playing, I'm contributing quality thoughts. That's more than you can say for many of the players in this game. So what if I find different things interesting than other people? Isn't that the beauty of the game, that different things stick out to different players? What a boring game it would be otherwise. How does that make me mafia? Yes, my reads can change quickly. If you want meta, that's been a major mark of my town play the past few years (and unfortunately, is one of the main reasons why my lynch % has increased significantly), because I don't spend the time to review every little thing like I used to, so new information/new perspectives readily changes my reads. Fluid reads is generally considered a towny trait, as mafia have trouble changing their reads quickly. Especially when justified. The one suspicious thing I've done is being wrong on CopCake. Granted, that was quite poor, and for that I (once again) apologize to all. But understand that I was in a rush to try and find something, as voting is mandatory in this game. Look at my play here, trying to analyze all of the possibilities and figure out the best lynch. This is how I play when I have more time and can analyze things more effectively. But in a five minute window or so, I'm not really sure what you expect from me. I am really hesitant to say this, because saying this was a huge part of why I got lynched last game, but I'm probably not going to be around much tomorrow Which basically paints a huge target on my back saying "here mafia, come and lynch me." But it's unavoidable, I am busy with my family. Which is a lot of why I am spending so much time tonight trying to figure out the best lynch, because I can't tomorrow. So there. Do whatever you want. But I think I've played a very reasonable game, I think I've put forth a decent scum pool and as time permits I'll keep working to find the mafia. I encourage everyone to re-evaluate and take a look at what I've posted. I encourage those scumreading Vivax to take another look. I am confident that mafia is riding all of the easy Trfel/Vivax scumreads and not justifying them well, just following thread sentiment (because they aren't well-justified reads). If you lynch me, that's on you. So Trfel does a last minute switch to Zey but honestly, this was the most useful post of Trfel before he got voted off. I'm on the possible TicTock/? team. Zey and Jee keep voting together which is understandable if they've played together before. They rather piggy back off each other especially with one being AFK most of the time. D1 Vote:CopCake (4): Vivax, ShoCkeyy, Trfel, Jockmcplop Vivax (3): raynpelikoneet, CopCake, TicTock Trfel (2): Zey, Jeekaka So if I look here, there's a definite three town on the copcake kill. Vivax to me actually feels very towny here, since town could of easily mislynched here and mafia didn't even want to touch with a twelve foot pool. Rayn sticks to Vivax D1 builds a "rapport" about Vivax to try and continue into D3 lynch. Now D2 Vote:Trfel (3): TicTock, Jeekaka, Zey Zey (2): Vivax, Trfel Vivax (1): Raynpelikoneet I see the need for tictock as mafia to vote for Trfel. They need to kill off Trfel and Jee and Zey were easily going to follow since they voted for Trfel anyways in the previous vote. Rayn wasn't going to move because he didn't even want to save Trfel. It's honestly believable that Tictock and Rayn are the scumteam.
She completely ignored anything we posted.
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On June 10 2020 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:And GB threw it in the end...
My return and needless effort were clearly to confuse OBS and keep them on their toes...
^.^
Tbh GB hit on the same stuff that made me decide to push Vivax at the end, I don't think I ever intended to try and lynch Vivax before that point.
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On June 10 2020 06:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GB:
"Last point: Shockey is listening to him. Why don't they just focus on voting rayn/TT instead of being upset all the time?"
Because we literally had some one who only played with Rayn... Like Zey didn't even try. She just stuck her fingers in her ear and was "LALALALA" There's no reason to keep trying after that. This game is very upsetting because Rayn abused it, and knew Zey wasn't going to go against him...
I seriously doubt I'll play a game with Zey again.
No.
Stop. Don't take the game seriously and don't attack people personally.
CopCake (4): Vivax, ShoCkeyy, Trfel, Jockmcplop
Vivax (3): raynpelikoneet, CopCake, TicTock
Trfel (2): Zey, Jeekaka
Vivax (1): raynpelikoneet
Trfel (2): TickTick, Jeekaka, Zey
Zey never followed Rayn, she did her own reads and followed them until the very end.
Just notice at the very last how you said TT+Rayn was the team and then when TT appeared you said it was Zey+Rayn. That is scummy.
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On June 10 2020 06:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Thoughts:
Pretty simple narrative on this game. Town wasn't too active and ate itself alive while mafia watched. I don't think mafia had to push any objectives this game (except for mayyyybe LYLO).
I noticed that throughout the early stages of this game (early D1 and early D2), town seemed very reluctant to vote and push suspicions. This inevitably led to a scramble to vote in the last hours of the day. While active towns can get away with these scrambles, the inactivity of the town made these lynches very easy to manipulate. Mafia could simply divert suspicion off of a mafia lynch, and ignore the town while townies lynched themselves.
I dont think we manipulated anything? I didn't really have to do anything D1 because Vivax read me town for sauying "hi" and "no"... D2 i couldn't do anything. D3 vivax and shockeyy just buried themselves with straight out lying for ???? reason :D
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On June 10 2020 06:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2020 06:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Thoughts:
Pretty simple narrative on this game. Town wasn't too active and ate itself alive while mafia watched. I don't think mafia had to push any objectives this game (except for mayyyybe LYLO).
I noticed that throughout the early stages of this game (early D1 and early D2), town seemed very reluctant to vote and push suspicions. This inevitably led to a scramble to vote in the last hours of the day. While active towns can get away with these scrambles, the inactivity of the town made these lynches very easy to manipulate. Mafia could simply divert suspicion off of a mafia lynch, and ignore the town while townies lynched themselves.
I dont think we manipulated anything? I didn't really have to do anything D1 because Vivax read me town for sauying "hi" and "no"... D2 i couldn't do anything. D3 vivax and shockeyy just buried themselves with straight out lying for ???? reason :D
I wasn't entirely clear.
I more meant that in an inactive town, mafia can easily manipulate a last-minute lynch if they need to. You didn't have to this game.
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On June 10 2020 06:15 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2020 06:12 GlowingBear wrote:On June 10 2020 06:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GB:
"Last point: Shockey is listening to him. Why don't they just focus on voting rayn/TT instead of being upset all the time?"
Because we literally had some one who only played with Rayn... Like Zey didn't even try. She just stuck her fingers in her ear and was "LALALALA" There's no reason to keep trying after that. This game is very upsetting because Rayn abused it, and knew Zey wasn't going to go against him...
I seriously doubt I'll play a game with Zey again. I understand you both being upset, but from someone who doesn't know your alignment, it felt suspicious to me. Edit: I mean, you could've just piled on TT and let Zey decide and come back near deadline. Throwing the game made you look more suspicious Bro, its not even about being suspicious, she barely played and as soon as Jee died, she immediately backed rayn for no reason. It's ridiculous. She didn't try to read anything that Rayn or Tictock posted, only Vivax and I. She literally only defended Rayn after Jee's death.
I'm not judging you, and I'm not judging her either. I'm just saying that, objectively, the way you both reacted to that didn't help your case. If you both thought Zey was helpless, then voting rayn until the very end was would have the same result, but at least would give you a better chance to win the game
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On June 10 2020 06:15 Hapahauli wrote:
Regarding the Drama...
As someone who's been in a "helpless" LYLO situation as town, I do sympathize with the raw frustration of watching a game slowly end over 48 hours.
That being said, I didn't get any sense that this game was marred by "cheating" or anything of the sort. It is natural for players to gravitate to what they are familiar with.
A clowny game or two is the price to pay for some new blood on the site. I would caution anyone from driving players away based on a "bad performance" in their first game on TL. I think it is easier for people to shift the blame on one person rather than blaming the town collectively for their mistakes... one person didn't mislynch 3 people single-handedly after all.
It's bullshit because any good player reevaluates their reads with new information, she never did. It was always Vivax and I were mafia while she was pied piper by Rayn...
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On June 10 2020 06:16 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2020 06:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 10 2020 06:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I seriously doubt I'll play a game with Zey again. Well she was the most factually correct poster in the game D3. You and Vivax just created bullshit on the fly (as town lol) and tried to shove it down people's throats. Regardless of if you were right or wrong doesn't matter, i think i would have voted either of you in the end 100 times out of 100 if i was in her position. So this post was bullshit? Show nested quote +On June 07 2020 09:11 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 06 2020 15:51 Trfel wrote:I dunno Tictock, I'm having trouble getting much useful information from the posts you spoilered. Sorry But seriously, I don't know why people really think I am mafia here. I can understand not thinking I am town, but I don't understand why everyone is so convinced I am mafia. Yes, my activity was quite poor earlier. However, I've changed that now. I'm here, I'm present, I'm playing, I'm contributing quality thoughts. That's more than you can say for many of the players in this game. So what if I find different things interesting than other people? Isn't that the beauty of the game, that different things stick out to different players? What a boring game it would be otherwise. How does that make me mafia? Yes, my reads can change quickly. If you want meta, that's been a major mark of my town play the past few years (and unfortunately, is one of the main reasons why my lynch % has increased significantly), because I don't spend the time to review every little thing like I used to, so new information/new perspectives readily changes my reads. Fluid reads is generally considered a towny trait, as mafia have trouble changing their reads quickly. Especially when justified. The one suspicious thing I've done is being wrong on CopCake. Granted, that was quite poor, and for that I (once again) apologize to all. But understand that I was in a rush to try and find something, as voting is mandatory in this game. Look at my play here, trying to analyze all of the possibilities and figure out the best lynch. This is how I play when I have more time and can analyze things more effectively. But in a five minute window or so, I'm not really sure what you expect from me. I am really hesitant to say this, because saying this was a huge part of why I got lynched last game, but I'm probably not going to be around much tomorrow Which basically paints a huge target on my back saying "here mafia, come and lynch me." But it's unavoidable, I am busy with my family. Which is a lot of why I am spending so much time tonight trying to figure out the best lynch, because I can't tomorrow. So there. Do whatever you want. But I think I've played a very reasonable game, I think I've put forth a decent scum pool and as time permits I'll keep working to find the mafia. I encourage everyone to re-evaluate and take a look at what I've posted. I encourage those scumreading Vivax to take another look. I am confident that mafia is riding all of the easy Trfel/Vivax scumreads and not justifying them well, just following thread sentiment (because they aren't well-justified reads). If you lynch me, that's on you. So Trfel does a last minute switch to Zey but honestly, this was the most useful post of Trfel before he got voted off. I'm on the possible TicTock/? team. Zey and Jee keep voting together which is understandable if they've played together before. They rather piggy back off each other especially with one being AFK most of the time. D1 Vote:CopCake (4): Vivax, ShoCkeyy, Trfel, Jockmcplop Vivax (3): raynpelikoneet, CopCake, TicTock Trfel (2): Zey, Jeekaka So if I look here, there's a definite three town on the copcake kill. Vivax to me actually feels very towny here, since town could of easily mislynched here and mafia didn't even want to touch with a twelve foot pool. Rayn sticks to Vivax D1 builds a "rapport" about Vivax to try and continue into D3 lynch. Now D2 Vote:Trfel (3): TicTock, Jeekaka, Zey Zey (2): Vivax, Trfel Vivax (1): Raynpelikoneet I see the need for tictock as mafia to vote for Trfel. They need to kill off Trfel and Jee and Zey were easily going to follow since they voted for Trfel anyways in the previous vote. Rayn wasn't going to move because he didn't even want to save Trfel. It's honestly believable that Tictock and Rayn are the scumteam. She completely ignored anything we posted.
yes it was bullshit. why the fuck do we need to kill trfel???? Just because you think something doesnt mean that TT "needs to do something".
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On June 10 2020 06:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2020 06:15 Hapahauli wrote:
Regarding the Drama...
As someone who's been in a "helpless" LYLO situation as town, I do sympathize with the raw frustration of watching a game slowly end over 48 hours.
That being said, I didn't get any sense that this game was marred by "cheating" or anything of the sort. It is natural for players to gravitate to what they are familiar with.
A clowny game or two is the price to pay for some new blood on the site. I would caution anyone from driving players away based on a "bad performance" in their first game on TL. I think it is easier for people to shift the blame on one person rather than blaming the town collectively for their mistakes... one person didn't mislynch 3 people single-handedly after all. It's bullshit because any good player reevaluates their reads with new information, she never did. It was always Vivax and I were mafia while she was pied piper by Rayn...
Being "tunneled" is a part of this game. Rayn was simply more persuasive than you. That is all.
Cake's post above shows that Zey wasn't really following Rayn blindly to begin with.
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I understand the frustration with Jeeka and Zey not being willing to look at a world with Rayn being scum, but I mean... WE played it that way kinda.
I know I made a couple mild attempts to pocket Jeeka at some point, and I have to assume rayn would be doing the same with ppl he has history with.
Besides, thats what a good mafia team does going into LyLo, making sure you have one townie pretty locked on your side or already convinced of the world you want to sell. To that point I have to give credit to Rayn picking Jeeka as the N2 kill, Vivax dying would have cleared up a ton of resistance in the game for us but Jeeka's townreads on us left the door open for wifom.
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On June 10 2020 06:15 Vivax wrote:
GB you were observer but if like me and Shockeyy you put effort expecting a fair game and instead get to face mafias personal army that happen to be newcomers you would be upset too. The jeekaka kill was also a joke.
I'd also rather have obsed this game than being trolled by rayn bringing his yes-men to a game.
Not just that, he thinks he won fairly LOL
As I said, I'm not saying you shouldn't be upset and I understand the OMGUSing. I'm not judging you. I'm just saying it also helped mafia.
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Why did she clear TickTock who didn't play for the entire day?
It's obvious she didn't want to lynch him but at the start of the day was still floating him around in mafia combinations.
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On June 10 2020 06:15 Hapahauli wrote:
Regarding the Drama...
As someone who's been in a "helpless" LYLO situation as town, I do sympathize with the raw frustration of watching a game slowly end over 48 hours.
That being said, I didn't get any sense that this game was marred by "cheating" or anything of the sort. It is natural for players to gravitate to what they are familiar with.
A clowny game or two is the price to pay for some new blood on the site. I would caution anyone from driving players away based on a "bad performance" in their first game on TL. I think it is easier for people to shift the blame on one person rather than blaming the town collectively for their mistakes... one person didn't mislynch 3 people single-handedly after all.
This.
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On June 10 2020 06:21 Vivax wrote:
Why did she clear TickTock who didn't play for the entire day?
It's obvious she didn't want to lynch him but at the start of the day was still floating him around in mafia combinations.
This... We literally suggested lynching Tictock, and she didn't want too, but some how kept defending Rayn who was also missing for an entire day. The most obvious scum tell, and she completely ignores it.
It's not cheating, but it's definitely abuse of bringing "friends" to play with you.
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On June 10 2020 06:21 Vivax wrote:
Why did she clear TickTock who didn't play for the entire day?
It's obvious she didn't want to lynch him but at the start of the day was still floating him around in mafia combinations.
Because you filled your D3 reads with bullshit and she thought you are mafia which means i am not because you called me mafia for bullshit reasons and she had no choice other than to vote for shockeyy because i refused to vote for you until the end.
You should actually read the game some time.
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How was it bullshit? Our reads were correct no matter what. You and Tictock were mafia, Zey was never going to vote against you, it's simple as that.
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On June 10 2020 06:24 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2020 06:21 Vivax wrote:
Why did she clear TickTock who didn't play for the entire day?
It's obvious she didn't want to lynch him but at the start of the day was still floating him around in mafia combinations. This... We literally suggested lynching Tictock, and she didn't want too, but some how kept defending Rayn who was also missing for an entire day. The most obvious scum tell, and she completely ignores it. It's not cheating, but it's definitely abuse of bringing "friends" to play with you.
People bringing "friends" is how this site grows. Hell, bring your friends and have them play! Yeah, it'll probably be a trainwreck their first game here, but I think it's worth it.
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On June 10 2020 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2020 06:21 Vivax wrote:
Why did she clear TickTock who didn't play for the entire day?
It's obvious she didn't want to lynch him but at the start of the day was still floating him around in mafia combinations. Because you filled your D3 reads with bullshit and she thought you are mafia which means i am not because you called me mafia for bullshit reasons and she had no choice other than to vote for shockeyy because i refused to vote for you until the end. You should actually read the game some time.
Yea just call everything I say bullshit, but I didn't weasel my way to an unfair win and then act high and mighty.
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Like i am super amused even if i made a post with big red letters in it these two idiots don't even realise they were just posting something that was and is entirely wrong.
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Zey clearly didn't even want to believe the results after Hapa announced it. She was never going to switch to Rayn even if we lynched one mafia correctly.
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