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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 06 2020 05:31 GMT
#507
On June 04 2020 02:07 Vivax wrote:
What do you peeps think of zeys read progression on Trfel? Reads a bit like she got talked into it.
On June 04 2020 03:16 Vivax wrote:
And shockeyy as mafia is more disinterested and less shitposty and reactive.

You need to really be on him constantly to pull info out of him
On June 05 2020 02:53 Vivax wrote:
I encourage peeps to look at TT's filter. It's kinda telling at quick glance.

- Settles for a very early cop townread.
- Agrees with cop early on Shockeyy being scum.
- His followup before deadline doesn't reflect any intention of directing the lynch either way, when he really should have a clear cut opinion of what the game should be doing.
- Most posts are rather focused at discussing stuff from all sorts of topics. Like asking me about what I was saying about cake, but not really coming out with something from it that would make him say I'm wrong and cake is town. Or I'm mafia and cake is town. He just kinda okay's the replies he gets and minds his own business.
- Instead asks me why he should consider zey, then asks Jock why he should consider me. Two posts he's doubting his Trfel read, then his read on me.

He has a very hands-off approach to the game. He did look at zey but didn't come out with a conclusion, just a question of whether zey thinks he's scum. Then he voted me for the sake of not voting cop. Again, easy out.

You don't get the feeling TT analyzes posts and asks question to reach a clear-cut way of seeing the game that he can stick to and influence the lynch the way he likes. It's really just a pretense to be insecure, while usually that should push townies towards reconsidering things in a hurry, he appears more calm and mechanical.

Shouldn't he have had a clear opinion to lynch Shockeyy considering he was questioning my townread on him?
That read just sort of went away towards the end and he was just contemplating Trfel, myself, even after I apparently swayed him that Shock could be town.

tl;dr: I don't think Ticktock has a real opinion on things and he's struggling to make it look like he does.
On June 05 2020 03:53 Vivax wrote:
Will consider looking into him a bit harder.
But basically he's been very townie last game and lynched regardless, so maybe now he cba to try too hard.
But that's the point, he's not trying to look like he's trying hard and the way he casually called out rayn felt townie to me.
As mafia he was more...Contributive, but in a quantity over quality way. While he talked about a lot of stuff you didn't get a picture of where his head was at, much like I feel about TT this game.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 06 2020 05:42 GMT
#509
On June 06 2020 14:34 jeekaka wrote:
You read Shock and Tictock very differently than Vivax though.

What are your thoughts of them in comparison to Vivax's thoughts you just quoted?
I'm kinda reconsidering my Tictock read currently, instigated by what Vivax is bringing up.

ShoCkeyy is really hard to read, I understand where Vivax is coming from and it makes me question my read on ShoCkeyy too. I think Vivax's read makes sense even if I disagree with it to some extent.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 06 2020 05:53 GMT
#511
Have you re-evaluated Tictock lately? What do you think of the concerns Vivax and I have expressed about him?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 06 2020 06:14 GMT
#514
I started to vote for ShoCkeyy because I thought he was the most suspicious person. If I really wanted to save myself here I would scumread Vivax. But my best read on Vivax is not mafia.

I am not sure if I will continue voting for ShoCkeyy, mostly because I am starting to get suspicious of TicTock. But I am not sure if there is a better target I don't know.

I didn't make any excuse for Vivax, I just don't really think he is mafia here. I explained it in the previous page.

Do you want to know my thoughts on that discussion as it relates to my alignment, or Zey's, or what? Honestly I kinda skimmed that part because it was hard for me to understand what people were saying As far as it relates to my alignment, I tried to answer it last page. I did come up with my scumread on CopCake out of thin air, in a matter of minutes. I had to, it was coming down to the deadline, there was no time for more. And I did feel like raynpelikoneet's Hi post was the most interesting entrance to the thread. I explained why last page as well.

Or did you want to know my thoughts about Zey? I don't recall getting anything meaningful from Zey's alignment, it seemed kinda like a meh trail of questioning that doesn't give much info with respect to Zey's alignment.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 06 2020 06:15 GMT
#515
TicTock, if you are indeed town, I'm going to need to ask you to re-evaluate some things. Take another look at ShoCkeyy. Take another look at Vivax. Take another look at me. I don't really know why you think I am mafia, do explain? No silly associations, facts please.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 06 2020 06:51 GMT
#524
I dunno Tictock, I'm having trouble getting much useful information from the posts you spoilered. Sorry

But seriously, I don't know why people really think I am mafia here. I can understand not thinking I am town, but I don't understand why everyone is so convinced I am mafia.

Yes, my activity was quite poor earlier. However, I've changed that now. I'm here, I'm present, I'm playing, I'm contributing quality thoughts. That's more than you can say for many of the players in this game.

So what if I find different things interesting than other people? Isn't that the beauty of the game, that different things stick out to different players? What a boring game it would be otherwise. How does that make me mafia?

Yes, my reads can change quickly. If you want meta, that's been a major mark of my town play the past few years (and unfortunately, is one of the main reasons why my lynch % has increased significantly), because I don't spend the time to review every little thing like I used to, so new information/new perspectives readily changes my reads. Fluid reads is generally considered a towny trait, as mafia have trouble changing their reads quickly. Especially when justified.

The one suspicious thing I've done is being wrong on CopCake. Granted, that was quite poor, and for that I (once again) apologize to all. But understand that I was in a rush to try and find something, as voting is mandatory in this game. Look at my play here, trying to analyze all of the possibilities and figure out the best lynch. This is how I play when I have more time and can analyze things more effectively. But in a five minute window or so, I'm not really sure what you expect from me.

I am really hesitant to say this, because saying this was a huge part of why I got lynched last game, but I'm probably not going to be around much tomorrow Which basically paints a huge target on my back saying "here mafia, come and lynch me." But it's unavoidable, I am busy with my family. Which is a lot of why I am spending so much time tonight trying to figure out the best lynch, because I can't tomorrow.

So there. Do whatever you want. But I think I've played a very reasonable game, I think I've put forth a decent scum pool and as time permits I'll keep working to find the mafia. I encourage everyone to re-evaluate and take a look at what I've posted. I encourage those scumreading Vivax to take another look. I am confident that mafia is riding all of the easy Trfel/Vivax scumreads and not justifying them well, just following thread sentiment (because they aren't well-justified reads). If you lynch me, that's on you.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 06 2020 06:55 GMT
#525
On June 06 2020 12:18 Trfel wrote:
Looking through TicTock's filter, I think he could definitely be mafia here too. Probably not with ShoCkeyy, which puts me in an awkward position.

It's his read progression on ShoCkeyy and Vivax that makes no sense to me. He scumreads ShoCkeyy for posting useless things, sure. Then he eventually kinda backs off on ShoCkeyy some (? unclear what he really thought about ShoCkeyy) due to trusting Vivax, a null to slight town read. Then he decides that me and Vivax are mafia but still thinks ShoCkeyy is town, presumably based on Vivax's reasoning.

The ShoCkeyy read feels forced here. It goes away when it's convenient and comes back when it's convenient, regardless of what logic would suggest. The scumread on Vivax came up out of nowhere, too.
Honestly I feel pretty good about Tictock's filter, except for this.

Tictock, any comments?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 06 2020 06:58 GMT
#526
I guess I should say, I'm sorry again for my lack of motivation and commitment this game. I think I underestimated the mental effect that last game's lynch had on me. Shouldn't have signed up to play this one I gave it my best given the circumstances though.

Gonna take a shot in the dark and say it's ShoCkeyy/Zey, probably my final guess tonight.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 06 2020 20:07 GMT
#546
Anyone here?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 06 2020 20:22 GMT
#548
I think I'm going to switch votes to Zey.

Read Zey's filter and honestly tell me she is town this game. Null at best.

The list post is another example of Zey failing to evaluate this game. Look at how she is suspicious of four-five people in a game with two mafia, yet she's okay with that. She's not engaging to try and figure things out, not really interacting, just answering questions/requests. Also note that her top scumread posted a ton of posts and a ton of new content, and Zey just completely ignored it. Didn't re-evaluate, didn't even mention why it means they are still mafia. Passed over all of their explanations of old questions, too.

Honestly reeks of mafia.
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