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Tictock wrote:
When I said "from Trfel's filter the cake read kinda makes sense" what I meant is that his cake read didn't just appear or change when he reappeared.
In my opinion it did just appear. Even if you forget what he said N1 and D1 on the last hour, still. I don't see any hint that Trfel would think that Cake is scum. Like here:
Trfel wrote:
I asked CopCake about her townread on Jockmcplop because she didn't say a key part of it, that Jockmcplop's post felt genuine/sincere. Without that statement, there is no actual reason to townread Jockmcplop. (1) I know it wasn't likely to really go anywhere, but it's the start of the game, I'll jump on anything I can Just like raynpelikoneet's entrance. (2)To me it was the worst entrance at that point in the thread, because he didn't interact with anyone despite several people having already posted. (3)But it's not a big deal and I don't think much of it.
(1) If I'm understanding this right he is saying that his question to Cake didn't lead to any opinion about her and there wasn't even really a change to lead anywhere.
(2) Trfel is saying that even rayns hi was scummier than Cakes townread on Jock. And (3) he doesn't really think that even that was scummy.
So how you are thinking that Cake read didn't just appear?
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Sho wrote:
If TT and Trfel are scum buddies, is TT bussing his partner?
I think it is possible. Looking to Tictocks filter I don't see anything to make it impossible. I mean he didn't suspect Trfel until N1 and then Trfel had drawn attention to himself already.
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rayn wrote:
so where is your vote gonna go?
To Trfel.
Tictock wrote:
Zey, was that post from D1?
If so I skimmed over that bit, but I'm confused why you keep hammering me on this. You seem to just be furthering the argument that Trfel's actions and reads are completely mismatched, and I've been making the same argument.
Yes it was. And I kept hammering because in my mind either I have really missed something (witch I really didn’t thought that would be so likely) or you are wrong and Cake read really just appeared. And if the second one is correct I think it is important because I don’t understand how you have come conclusion that Cake read didn’t appear. I might understand that if you just skimmed something to get more “content” to your post and didn’t bother to really read your top suspects posts when you are making post which you have advertised saying you have lot to say about Trfel. Doesn’t seem really townish to me.
jeekaka wrote:
@Zey can you give me some kind of reads list to show where you are at the game, except in the Trfel/Tictock world.
Okay. I’m probably going to get nervous breakdown or something for trying to write longer text in english but I can try. :D So this is what is going on my mind when I’m thinking about players:
The most scummy
Trfel (First he was just doing something that might seem like chasing scums but not really chasing scums. His explanation for his question to rayn feels like he’s trying make it seem better than it was. His top scumread was Sho which seems to me like picking an easy target. And then there was end of D1 with his townread-Cake becoming scummy in 4 minutes and all the excuses afterwards. And there's weird trust to Vivax. I don’t why he trust him. I mean the reasoning what I founded was basically “Vivax acts like scum-Vivax do but it doesn’t tell anything because I haven’t been so active either”. If Trfel think Vivax is town, then he needs to think that rayns case about Vivax is wrong but he hasn’t really commented that (not the main points).)
Tictock (I don’t like how he was picking easy target. I don’t also follow why he is thinking Vivax is mafia? What I have understand, he thought Vivax is town until he didn’t like how Vivax suspected him, and then he was pretty sure that Vivax is mafia with Trfel. And then there is the thing, where Tictock seems to have only skimmed his top scumreads posts and I don’t get it.)
Vivax (I think rayn has a good case here. But I need to admit that without rayns case I wouldn’t have a clue about Vivax. I don’t know why but Vivaxs post are hardest to me to read. It’s like I have translated words that I don’t understand, I have asked my husband to translate hardest sentences and still don’t understand what he means. So I’ve kinda give up on that and have accepted that I just don’t understand him. I mean I read his post and try to understand it but if I don’t ... I’m not gonna waste my time there anymore. I think it’s more efficient if I read others post and try to fact check their accusations and stuff like that.)
ShoCkeyy (He seems to be that kind of player that it is hard to say which side he is. I have played before with someone like him so the weird stuff what he has done is more likely just his style not about his role. There isn’t anything that I could say he is town thought. So I have tried to keep on my mind the reasons why others think he is town or scum. What I have seen couple of players have suspect him with reasons that I think is only about his style (except for not playing for fun, which doesn’t seem like that to me). Jeekaka is thinking that Sho might be scum but the reasons are more about that Sho fits in many scumteam. Vivax seems to be only one who think Sho is town. The reasoning isn’t so bullet proof but it seems to take consider Shos playstyle. But I can’t really trust Vivax opinion because I think there is good change that he is mafia. So basically if Vivax isn’t scum it will make Sho townier to me. But otherwise I don’t know is he scum or not. But I think Trfel, Tictock and Vivax are more likely to be scums than Sho.)
raynpelikoneet (He hasn’t done anything scummy but not either anything that would make me say this is why rayn can’t be scum. Still I would say he is second towniest here because the feeling what I got D1. D1 I couldn’t follow without asking why rayn did vote Vivax. It might be only my bad english skill but still it makes me think little bit that as scum rayn would be more careful with his post. I mean I would expect scum-rayn to make a clear case and stick with it or make a new clear case. Keep posts like it would be really easy to follow his thoughts.)
jeekaka (I haven’t seen anything that would suggest that she is scum. Seems like she really thinks who might be scum and why, she has observed even little things etc. And there is tinfoil hat. <3)
The most towny
But yeah, I’m gonna vote now ->
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rayn wrote:
Can you explain it to me like i am 5 because i don't even see whta Vivax is saying. Like i read it well but i dont understand it because i dont think that's what happened.
Don't you really? Because even I understand what Vivax is saying about me not "having fun". And I think it pretty obvious that I'm basically doing just what I need to. So yeah, I'm not having fun. jeekaka was quite right about my fun: I love love love solving the puzzle. Analyzing posts, trying to figure out scums and all the EoD stuff is so fun. But here I don't have things that makes it fun: I don't understand the post, I can't figure out the tones. I feel like I have maybe only 5 % information that I would have if the language would be different (or if this would be live game, I find it somehow easier). And then I need to write in english also. So I'm constantly using google translator and asking from my husband what some word is in english and either isn't good way. Google translator sucks and my husband needs to ask the context and after that mostly says that he knows how to say it but it's like mostly filled with fancy word that I don't understand and after that he asks how I would say it. So I find the maybe 10 % about what I wanted to say is something that I know how to say if I really really cut my sentences and all. (And after that I watch clock and find out that writing my tiny tiny message has taken like an hour to write.) I just need to admit that I'm not that kind of player or not that good in language that I could play in english. I hope that this game is the last time that I need to figure that out that I can keep it in my mind.
So I should read all the filters again. I should check with players can be scums together. But really I wouldn't want to read even one word of english right now because of my frustration. But still I'm gonna do that because I committed in this game and I don't want to town lose because of me and D3 is lylo so. (And I'm also gonna pray that scums will kill me, even thought it's not so likely.)
I hoped that I didn't offend anybody. You guys seem nice and I like the game, but I just hate playing in english.
Oh, this took only like 50 minutes to write, apparently I'm fast to whine about english in english. x)
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Sho wrote:
Zey vote tictock so we can win as town already please.
I don't think rayn is scum so who ever we vote rayn needs to vote him too.
Rayn can you tell why you think Vivax is town? And why you voted Sho and not Tictock?
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Vivax wrote:
I don't even know if he ever called him mafia but if he did it must have been forgettable.
This doesn't sound town to me. Makes me think that Vivax is just trying to make rayn seem bad.
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Sho wrote:You’re going to have to change that mentality, Rayn is taking advantage of it, he voted for me as I predicted because he’s mafia, and he’s going to try and push “Shockeyy is scummy”. He didn’t vote Tictock because Rayn and Tictock are teammates.
If he is mafia with Tictock why he said on the last minute of N2 that he think Vivax is town?
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Sho wrote:
But it is coming from Town, he’s speaking the truth.
I don't think so? I mean yes he might be right about that rayn never called you mafia or something. But if rayn thinks that I'm town and he thinks that Vivax is town then there is only left you and Tictock to be scums because of PoE. So there's no need to mention it that he thinks you are scum. And Vivax has used himself PoE tactic and he should know that rayn thinks that I and he are towns (because rayn and Vivax discussed about rayns read on me and I don't think he could have missed rayns post about himself). So I think it's okay to wonder why rayn voted you (and not Tictock because Tictock had already one vote and vote was given by someone he think is town) but I don't understand why Vivax seems to demand that rayn should have made case against you to vote you.
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Sho wrote:
Because he knows Vivax is town?
If Tictock and rayn are scums they need one more vote for you that they win. After reading my list about players rayn should think that I'm going to vote Tictock and I maybe can vote Vivax but it's not likely that I vote you without good case (and here he hasn't really done that). And to his perspective it should be okay to lynch Vivax so why bother? So it's not good thing to do if they want to get my vote with theirs votes. Are you gonna vote yourself? I don't believe so. So they aren't getting your vote either. Are they getting Vivax vote? I don't think they are counting for that because Vivax said that he is 100 % sure that you are town.
Tictock and rayn scumteam would have better chances if rayn trys to convince others that Vivax is scum. I think my vote would have gone easily there and that would have been only thing they would need to win.
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Vivax wrote:
Why shouldn‘t rayn vote TT here
Why shouldn't rayn vote TT here if rayn is scum?
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Vivax wrote:
Rayn needs reasons to justify staying alive. He is a common N1 and N2 kill.
Townreading me after voting me for two days straight just was a method of giving hinself an excuse for that imo
I don't think rayn needs reasons to justify staying alive. Yes, he might be common N1 and N2 kill but that doesn't give a reason to scums to kill him in this game. Both Jock and jeekaka were townier than rayn so I'm not surprised that rayn is alive. And if somebody ask why can't scum-rayn just say that scums are trying to frame him and that's why he is still alive? And if he is accusing you being scum and he was right at N1 that you are making a case against him then there is a new reason why he can accuse you being scum: you are the one who is trying to frame him. So there is another ways to justify that he is alive and there is ways that don't pee in his cereals.
Vivax wrote:
I saw the jockey vote similarly to a scumclaim.
Sorry, I don't understand. Can you explain?
Sho wrote:
Based on your last paragraph then why does Rayn vote me and not stick to his consistent vote on Vivax?
Because he really is town and change his mind about Vivax? So if he thinks Vivax is town of course he don't give him vote.
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ShoCkeyy wrote:
Literally Rayn shot Jee cause she’s the only one that apparently would go against Rayn. Zey looks like she would never go against Rayn unless Jee says so. It’s ridiculous, but hey, abuse the system!
So you still think rayn is scum. Please tell me where I got wrong then. Why did rayn say on the N2 that he thinks that me and Vivax are town? Why he decided as scum to make such opinions that he is forced to vote you (which is so unlikely to get any townies votes (if the case is that he is scum with TT)) or his scumpartner?
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rayn wrote:
Zey is not mafia and Tt and vivax are not in a million years mafia together.
Can you tell me why TT and Vivax aren't mafia together?
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Vivax wrote:
Well no he isn't forced to vote Shockeyy. He could vote TT too, but decided not to for reasons I can only guess.
Well that's my point (except you shouldn't guess reasons anymore because rayn already told us why he is voting Sho). If Sho thinks that TT and rayn are scums together then why rayn decided N2 to say that he thinks that you and me are town. Because then he can D3 only vote TT (his scumpartner) or Sho (and nobody townies wants to lynch him). So what is scum-rayns plan for victory?
Vivax wrote:
Can you tell me why you don't want to vote TT if you think he could be scum?
I haven't said that I don't want to vote TT.
Vivax wrote:
It's such a strange question. The only team that could be floating around your head is Shockeyy + Vivax if you think Shockeyy is mafia. Maybe Shockeyy + TickTock, in which case you should have no problem voting TickTock like now.
I don't understand. Whose mind? And if somebody thinks that scumteam is Shovax or ShoTock he should always vote Sho, not Tictock?
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Okay. I'm going to walk with my dog now but before that I want to say this: I don't think there is any change that Vivax is town because either he isn't reading posts at all or he just twist things how ever he wants. Either way it's scummy as hell.
rayn, wouldn't you be okay with voting Vivax?
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Vivax wrote:
So it's either you + TT and rayn is not playing to win, or it's rayn + TT but you think of rayn as your tip town friend without reconsidering.
If you want me to reconsider rayn you need to do more than just twist rayns words, repeat yourself and act like a child.
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Sho wrote:
EVERYONE that has died at night has literally looked at tictock as scum.
Except jeekaka said that TT is her top town. So you are lying here.
Sho wrote:
Even if you don't think Rayn is mafia, is there a reason you don't think Tictock is mafia?
If rayn isn't mafia, then there is left only you, Vivax and TT. So at least one of you and Vivax must to be mafia. And you both seem soooo desperate to lynch TT that I'm thinking that I might be wrong about TT and you and Vivax are mafia together after all.
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Sho wrote:
Can you Zey just add your vote on me then? Just vote me out already so the game can end already.
Okay.
Vivax wrote:
And you also know that zey is helping you for no reason other 'but muh forum friend'
Yeah. I have been playing 10 years with only friends and still I don't know how to lynch them or do anything else but what they tell me. And yeah I haven't told any reason (like pointed out that there is no sense that rayn would say N2 that both of you and me are town but somehow you and Sho hasn't been able to show how I'm wrong) except that he is my friend. Yep, you got that right. So now I'm going to do what true friend does: I have no brains on my own so I'm gonna listen little voice of rayn and gonna vote Sho.
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Tictock wrote:
I have to asssume everyone thinks Sho/Me are the team here, but since I know we are not I have to assume both mafia are piled on a town!Sho train here.
Actually I think that Vivax/Sho are the team here because I don't see a reason why sum!rayn would have said that he thinks me and Vivax are town at N2 (and either Vivax or Sho hasn't been able to tell me good reason either). So if rayn is town either Sho or Vivax needs to be scum here but both were yesterday so desperate to lynch you that I think it would be more likely that you are town here. I would prefer lynching Vivax because he has twisted rayns words so much that it's remarkable how good his imagination is. There is no way that Vivax is town here. But apparently rayn is more confident about Sho and I don't think it's good idea to divide votes so I'm voting Sho. To me this thing were Sho and Vivax join voting Sho seems their last try to make people think that they can't be scums here.
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TicTock wrote:
I'm gunna yolo call the scumteam Rayn/Zey just off of what I recall and what I see right now.
If the scumteam is me and rayn, please tell me why didn't I vote you when Sho and Vivax did everything to convince me to do so?
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