EPTOn June 04 2020 03:13 Jockmcplop wrote:
The vivax lynch is good.
The vivax lynch is good.
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You need to really be on him constantly to pull info out of him | ||
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Apologies due to cop. I got too cocky :| and was kinda moody today, was really expecting to get lynched. | ||
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Vigging me wouldn't be a bad idea since I don't see too much reason to back away from the TT and zey reads tomorrow, and I don't think I can be townread either way. But I need to analyze the followup to the lynch still, I was out. | ||
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Trfel is still town hero. Maybe he is the new Palmar. | ||
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He has a hard time dealing with the British divas that show up from time to time. *cough* HF *cough* | ||
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- Settles for a very early cop townread. - Agrees with cop early on Shockeyy being scum. - His followup before deadline doesn't reflect any intention of directing the lynch either way, when he really should have a clear cut opinion of what the game should be doing. - Most posts are rather focused at discussing stuff from all sorts of topics. Like asking me about what I was saying about cake, but not really coming out with something from it that would make him say I'm wrong and cake is town. Or I'm mafia and cake is town. He just kinda okay's the replies he gets and minds his own business. - Instead asks me why he should consider zey, then asks Jock why he should consider me. Two posts he's doubting his Trfel read, then his read on me. He has a very hands-off approach to the game. He did look at zey but didn't come out with a conclusion, just a question of whether zey thinks he's scum. Then he voted me for the sake of not voting cop. Again, easy out. You don't get the feeling TT analyzes posts and asks question to reach a clear-cut way of seeing the game that he can stick to and influence the lynch the way he likes. It's really just a pretense to be insecure, while usually that should push townies towards reconsidering things in a hurry, he appears more calm and mechanical. Shouldn't he have had a clear opinion to lynch Shockeyy considering he was questioning my townread on him? That read just sort of went away towards the end and he was just contemplating Trfel, myself, even after I apparently swayed him that Shock could be town. tl;dr: I don't think Ticktock has a real opinion on things and he's struggling to make it look like he does. | ||
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On June 05 2020 03:10 ShoCkeyy wrote: Vivax why do you think Cop was town reading TT? Well she said it was for agreeing with him for a bunch of stuff basically. | ||
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But basically he's been very townie last game and lynched regardless, so maybe now he cba to try too hard. But that's the point, he's not trying to look like he's trying hard and the way he casually called out rayn felt townie to me. As mafia he was more...Contributive, but in a quantity over quality way. While he talked about a lot of stuff you didn't get a picture of where his head was at, much like I feel about TT this game. | ||
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Last game me and cake were both town I remember her for being a pita. Because she was somehow the only one still thinking I could be mafia in the thread. That she was more cautious in how she read me in this game set me off, though in hindsight I shouldn't have put so much weight into that. The Ticktock stuff on top really made me sure though. And tbh I was expecting to be lynched as well. I think, rayn, that right now you are again falling into the vet+active player bias you tend to for picking who to scumread. Do you have any reason to be discounting zey here? I don't think she has been particularly townie and esp. the way she read Trfel at the beginning felt like she felt pressured into forming a scumread from being pushed to discuss him. | ||
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Yep. Doesn't shift me particularly either way. His rayn scumread-ish is interesting but not worth putting much weight into if he doesn't pursue it further. I'm still in a TT+zey world. | ||
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Maybe I'm wrong and Trfel is mafia and zey is calling out both mafia? Idk, the other townies can decide that if Trfel just decides to not pursue his rayn thought further and let a mislynch happen. If he gets a burst in motivation I think that he can not only look very townie but also find the mafia. That said I'd like him to weigh in on the TT+zey scenario. | ||
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On June 05 2020 05:32 Tictock wrote: Wow this is such a forced narrative on me, the only truthful bit is that I kinda decided cake was town early and never felt the need to question that. I was the first person to be pushing Sho scum, and I still think he could easily be scum, cake and Trfel both kinda piggybacked on the points I made. Near EoD it was clear to me that my preferred lunch (Sho) wasn't happening, and started to reconsider and ask questions to decide where to vote. I had weak townreads on both Vivax and Trfel so I was trying to weigh who I might have been wrong about and would be more ok to vote. It is frustrating to play with some of you guys who base so much on meta. Like to me Sho was literally playing "to scummy to be scum" and even though everyone kinda agreed you all just give it a pass due to that being his D1 meta. I tried to argue my read but being constantly rebuked with that argument makes it feel fruitless to push it anymore. I mean when he replied to my stuff here my first reaction was to burst out laughing at the WOW THIS IS SUCH A FORCED NARRATIVE. But I still have to reply to this reply to my post, which I am probably not content with in how it responds to my accusation. Not now though I'd love to because I'm going for a bbq in the woods. | ||
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And TT wants the easy lynch. | ||
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On June 05 2020 23:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am gonna ask you this though: I understand certain people do certain things but why would you assume OTHER people play mafia similarily??? I think it's a really dumb assumption and doesn't make much sense. If it was like that you could always tell who is mafia when you lynch the first one lol.  As mafia you kinda feel vulnerable when someone calls you and your mate out and you tend to get pushed into the thinking that you are more obvious than you actually are, so you get a hang for bussing. I see that as fact but I also acknowledge that it isn't an argument either of them should be lynched for. But in case one of them flips scum I hope someone thinks back to this instead of giving out cred for bussing. | ||
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I also think I'm playing badly and need a stronger town to do the legwork. Played a bit of devil's advocate with myself and looked at jeekaka, half-assedly. Worst (?) I could find is this: On June 04 2020 14:07 jeekaka wrote: Shame you had to go before you had time to answer that question  I can see Vivax/Trfel world, I can see Jock/Trfel or even Shock/Trfel world where they want to save Vivax to be the next mislynch, and I can even see a distant rayn/Trfel world. In any case I want Trfel's head. On June 04 2020 05:35 jeekaka wrote: I think Vivax might be better lynch for today, as if town he could still be helpfull but he seems to be given up. Trfel is just away for whatever reason. But I'm getting too tired to really think. (After the lynch) On June 04 2020 12:30 jeekaka wrote: Wtf happened :D I basically fell asleep on my keyboard, now I feel bad I didn't switch to Vivax but I was so solid it was gonna be Trefl or Vivax I didn't really care. This actually makes me feel my vote was in the right place but still Yeah, kinda odd conviction shift, oversleeping to vote me, into actually locking in Trfel as the 100% scum when before it sounded like I was more likely. Not sure if slamdunk for a mafia argument, but worth mentioning/discussing I guess? | ||
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pre-lynch On June 04 2020 05:35 jeekaka wrote: I think Vivax might be better lynch for today, as if town he could still be helpfull but he seems to be given up. Trfel is just away for whatever reason. But I'm getting too tired to really think. post-lynch On June 04 2020 12:30 jeekaka wrote: Wtf happened :D I basically fell asleep on my keyboard, now I feel bad I didn't switch to Vivax but I was so solid it was gonna be Trefl or Vivax I didn't really care. This actually makes me feel my vote was in the right place but still On June 04 2020 14:07 jeekaka wrote: Shame you had to go before you had time to answer that question I can see Vivax/Trfel world, I can see Jock/Trfel or even Shock/Trfel world where they want to save Vivax to be the next mislynch, and I can even see a distant rayn/Trfel world. In any case I want Trfel's head. | ||
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