[M][N]Oil Futures Mafia

On April 29 2020 04:35 Alakaslam wrote:
Meanwhile my family is almost entirely built on Oil money from a Utah well.

Yeeaaaaahhhhhhhh! We are in paydir-S H I T

On April 29 2020 04:44 Alakaslam wrote:
SUP KURUMI U SKUM? WHAT KIND OF PM COLOR U GET EH

On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:


He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player.

On April 29 2020 09:45 Alakaslam wrote:

Meh, NAI but also unnecessary. Just kinda bad. I cant always be here, I don’t have to go on and on about my daily teaching schedule or coronavirus actually making me busier and whatnot. I just show up when I can. Because I’m town, and therefore dont give a shit what people think.

On April 30 2020 00:27 Jockmcplop wrote:
-snip-
Holy wall of text Batman.

You also seem overdefensive in this post (for someone who doesn't have any votes on them.)



Are you sure trfel was lying and didn't just get into the game more than he expected to?

On April 30 2020 00:42 Jockmcplop wrote:


I don't know whether to disagree with you or scumread you.

I can't see how you've had such a reaction to rayn and trfel questioning how you started the game. You seem genuinely pissed off and i don't get why. Trfel's post is one that you see in about 70% of game openings and sometimes its a town post; sometimes its a mafia post, but you really can't tell from whether someone follows up on day 1 by being exactly as active as they said they would.

I also really don't buy this theory that rayn and trfel are mafia coming after you for pinging trfel. Mafia are probably trying to hide or just watch right now. Maybe one of them is, but both, like this on day one? Nah

-snip-

On April 30 2020 04:47 Alakaslam wrote:

Very town looking of Kurumi here. But I love giving policy advice as mafia too, hmmm.....

On April 30 2020 04:47 Alakaslam wrote:

Very town looking of Kurumi here. But I love giving policy advice as mafia too, hmmm.....

On April 29 2020 23:21 Jockmcplop wrote:
Hi everyone here's a catch up post:

+ Show Spoiler +

I remember the other game you are talking about and reading through the thread I did get flashbacks. I don't really get how you go from noticing the similarities to rayn having motivations other than scumhunting.

Like you think rayn saw that trfel as lynchbait worked in the last game for town so he's leveraging the same idea as mafia and hoping that no-one will notice, with probably half the people playing in both games?

I can't really see it.

Its simpler just to think that trfel as lynchbait worked last time, kurumi wasn't here last time, rayn is thinking it might work again and get us a day 1 hit.

The one thing I do agree with here is it looks like rayn is assuming you are town. I guess I can understand that based on meta (maaaaaaayyyyyybe), and he did say he townread you so its probably just a read more than an assumption.

As for trfel's opening, stuff like that isn't really worth discussing unless he disappears at times that are overly convenient for mafia.

+ Show Spoiler +
@Glowingbear why is this such a bad post to you? I mean I don't agree with it really or see how it will have the intended effect but it doesn't seem so bad from an AI perspective

@Kurumi:

+ Show Spoiler +

Would you say that trfel asking the questions he asked brought more information into the thread?

I mean, I now know who you have played with before and am better able to judge the different way you might interact with me compared to say rayn... which is useful.

On April 30 2020 00:03 Kurumi wrote:
Slam, everyone, please don't spam post, it really doesn't help.

I decided to make a list for summary's sake and that we hopefully don't miss out something later.

No contribution so far:

Grackaroni (posted, but it is literally an introduction post and a youtube-link post)
Fecalfeast (admitted to not reading the thread)
Koshi (no posts at all)
Jockmcplop (no posts at all)
Chezinu (but talking Chezinu and contributing is a whole can of worms)


Low-effort/medium activity

Shockeyy (claims town and wanting to lead it, pings me through quoting Vivax, scumreads Alakaslam, notes that Trfel has played games back-to-back and understands their desire to be lazy)
Alakaslam (notes the cop-outs, pings me, claimed town, seemingly agrees with me, Vivax, torn about Trfel anyway)
GlowingBear (pings Vivax, then votes them without providing more reasoning, interacts with Trfel on basis of past games, although seemingly agrees with me, is interested in how Trfel is going to play)

Funnily enough, if someone were to put a gun to my head right now, I'd say all three are Town. That only means I at this moment lean Town more on them than Scum and it's flimsy enough to flip fast. If I were to pick the strongest town feel out of these three, it would be Slam because I liked him noticing the cop-outs and well, I like that he seems to agree with me

Active

Vivax (pinged me, wanted to interact with people and did, pressured Fecalfeast through a vote on good reasoning after I asked for who I should be looking into, most importantly, came to the exact same conclusions I have right now.)
Kurumi

Trfel
raynpelikoneet

I have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will.

And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting?



Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool.

So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy.

##vote Trfel

+ Show Spoiler [unofficial votecount] +

On April 30 2020 09:30 Alakaslam wrote:

He seems to be coasting on an easy LHF. I don’t believe the reasons he has raised for scumreading me, and he is one of very few who goes that far (not that I have shined a holy light of townieness, in other words).

In that context it just looks scummy to me.

On April 30 2020 04:57 Alakaslam wrote:

Sure but there is always wifom; he could know that and pull early legwork so he can coast a bit if he needs to.

Or to solidify town credibility and lead mislynches. I do think he is town largely because I agree with him, but I agree with scum a lot so idk.

Meanwhile my gut loves to OMGUS on ShoCkeyy. It’s actually quite the motivator but I don’t like the idea of OMGUSing.

On April 30 2020 05:23 Alakaslam wrote:
On reflection while I ate lunch.

##Vote: ShoCkeyy

Don’t want to lynch the more active player between the two.

On May 01 2020 03:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Rayn, please just re-read the thread and the interactions between GB and Koshi. I feel like most people here don't read and just base decisions on others decisions. I'm putting pressure on Slam, because I personally think that Koshi and Slam are partners. Could Jock be in there? sure? But what GB is saying about Koshi relieving pressure on Jock is true. I personally hope that Jock didn't roll mafia again, but that Koshi play right there can be two things. True mafia work, or town work. Slam voting me, 15 mins after not wanting to vote for me screams setup play between the two for D2.

On May 01 2020 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

i also claimed like three times.

On May 01 2020 03:18 Alakaslam wrote:

I dont know why you think rayn is town when he gaslights you like that

“Trust me even if I am mafia”

“Ooh, I like that you so townie m8”

Lol wtf

On May 01 2020 03:19 Alakaslam wrote:

Tell me about GB in a couple sentences. Why he scum? I have 10 minutes.

no

if I pushed someone then i didn't just shitpost and leave

On May 01 2020 03:29 Alakaslam wrote:
And i have more time now FF thanks though! We can flesh out GB more. My vote is available to the highest bidder.

On May 01 2020 03:28 Alakaslam wrote:

He says we are mafia together. Ironic much?

On May 01 2020 03:31 Alakaslam wrote:

I dont care about my image I care about finding scum. If you want to waste your vote on me then go ahead and do it.

On May 01 2020 03:33 Alakaslam wrote:

No you arent. That is why I am trying to understand your stance I am considering voting GB myself.

On May 01 2020 03:31 Trfel wrote:
GlowingBear is busy at work. He flailed at Koshi for a while, nothing super notable though.

Consider maybe switching to Kurumi? Mostly the same reasons as before. I just feel like Kurumi hasn't contributed much actual thought to the thread.

On May 01 2020 03:40 Koshi wrote:
I dont think this is a good d1 lynch. I feel townies voiced concerns about Kurumi and mafia called him town.

That's my read on Kurumi.

On May 01 2020 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nice that you decided to magically appear just now.

On May 01 2020 03:44 Kurumi wrote:


I waited until my lynch was more or less assured, I asked for a replacement 11 and half hours ago because I couldn't muster any interest to play this game. So to make sure you don't make me suffer another fucking cycle I decided to come and say hi. You mad?

On May 01 2020 03:47 GlowingBear wrote:


Why would your lynch be guaranteed? Nobody was actually hard scumreading you

On May 01 2020 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do people so hard want to ruin the game every single fucking time i am town?

On May 01 2020 03:52 Alakaslam wrote:

Yes

##Unvote
##Vote: ShoCkeyy

On May 01 2020 04:43 Alakaslam wrote:
I now have GB as top town.

On May 01 2020 05:25 Alakaslam wrote:

“Slam you shit at scum, cant you see? How can you be this stupid slam?”

Trash your vote then, you all ready know I dont give a cuss what you think of my alignment or anyone else for that matter, if I get lynched I get lynched. Go back to being productive and stop insulting my scum play.

On May 01 2020 07:59 Trfel wrote:
Vivax, who is your top scumread right now?

On May 01 2020 08:13 Alakaslam wrote:
GB almost certainly town and ShoCkeyy inadvertently revealed Rayn imo

On May 01 2020 08:13 Alakaslam wrote:
GB almost certainly town and ShoCkeyy inadvertently revealed Rayn imo

On May 01 2020 13:52 Alakaslam wrote:
I am now pretty sure Rayn is mafia. Will shower then return.

On May 01 2020 14:10 Alakaslam wrote:

I didnt know he did that. No that is not why.

On May 02 2020 01:00 Alakaslam wrote:
Hey so @ Jock

If you read ShoCkeyy’s filter you will see him making little remarks as if he is trying to convince me I am scum like twice a day.

I will do exactly whatever the fuck I will do and I’m not changing to make ShoCkeyy think I am town.

On May 01 2020 08:13 Alakaslam wrote:
GB almost certainly town and ShoCkeyy inadvertently revealed Rayn imo

On May 02 2020 10:31 Alakaslam wrote:

Cause I’m an arrogant SOB but when I’m scum I’m so slick and refined that anyone who knows me can see it right away

On May 04 2020 03:51 Alakaslam wrote:

Well fuck I am sorry but can we get a more recent count? I have no clue what is going on because yesterday I was having mad mutual masturbation all day and all night because she’s worried about sex during pregnancy sonce she hasnt seen a doctor ywt and learned wisdom

On May 04 2020 03:51 Alakaslam wrote:

Well fuck I am sorry but can we get a more recent count? I have no clue what is going on because yesterday I was having mad mutual masturbation all day and all night because she’s worried about sex during pregnancy sonce she hasnt seen a doctor ywt and learned wisdom

On May 05 2020 04:26 Alakaslam wrote:
He was actually the cop

Wow.

Ok well I was pretty convinced you were scum.

On May 05 2020 04:41 Alakaslam wrote:
I just thought of something I want to say.

Why the hell have people been scumreading based on changing minds?

If you are gonna scumread someone for changing their mind. Then you should also believe that day1 lynches usually hit scum. Because, town MUST change their mind on occasion as new information comes up, and town often WILL change their mind even with no new info as they look at the same shit with a new lens.

Scum are more likely to have a consistent plan and stick to it (which doesn't mean their reads will be consistent!) so tbat is the thing to watch for.

On May 05 2020 05:50 Alakaslam wrote:
I mean fuck it. If it is against my wincon to play the fucking game then I’ll just go silent and vote so that more townies dont get ahat on because I am smart enough to see they are town

On May 03 2020 20:31 Chezinu wrote:

STOP IT!!!

LET ME TROLL CLAIM!!!!

On May 03 2020 19:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think the following people are town.
Vivax, Trfel, Koshi. I mean like i am just going to assume they are town.

The next important thing is the votecount and GB's alignment. If GB is town, mafia didn't care about the lynch. If GB is mafia, mafia still didn't care about the lynch. I kind of agree with Vivax that GB not voting for the counter wagon -- while incredibly stupid, most likely makes him town. The only person from the "not taking a stance on lynch" by the eod was Slam who was swapping his votes after Kurumi started posting. I don't think that looks townie and i think Slam is the only person aside from the people who were on Kurumi and GB can actually be mafia.

I don't think either of Shockeyy and Grackaroni were reading either of Kurumi/GB mafia. I actually think Shockeyy tried to make people switch to Slam, i think that's minor town points for him. I kind of thought Grack has to be mafia based on him not wanting to do anything about the lynch, especially when his biggest scumread is voting for Kurumi the most obvious decision to make is to try make people vote for either Slam, or join the opposing wagon. However, i have zero understanding of why Grack continued like he did after D1. Basically if Grack is mafia, he built up a scumread on me all game jsut to throw it into the trash for whatever reason come D2??? I don't think that makes any sense at all from mafia perspective.

So GB goes to probably town pile and Grack goes to town pile, Shockeyy goes to possibly town pile and Slam is like ????? maybe scum?

The thing to note is that i still think there is a possibility of GB being mafia, just because FF suspected him, and while he writes a lot of posts pretty much everything he votes for is "because he didn't post in X amount of time" and i think that's super weak. Wasn't it for the eod i would definitely think GB is mafia and i don't think it's completely out of the possible universes that he is in fact mafia. Hell it's definitely in his range of mafia plays to even be mafia with Jock, or Slam.

Anyways the most likely answer based on the above there is, is that:
One of GB/Jock is mafia (my preference is Jock)
One of Slam/Shockeyy is mafia (prefer Slam)
Chezinu is mafia.

The problem i have with Slam is his read change with me and Shockeyy. I switched my vote from Jock to GB to Shockeyy to Kurumi. Sure Slam can think that somehow makes me mafia (it shouldn't), but for that he has some weird association that this ALSO makes Shockeyy town. I dont think he should ever have that association based on what i did. I think this is more likely trying to get Shockeyy back off from him, based on that at the point this happened there were two votes on him (aka possibility of him being lynched -- especially if Shockeyy and Grack are town as i assume if Slam is mafia). Furthermore if this was his genuine thought process i don't have a slightest clue why he changes his vote to vote WITH his biggest scumread rayn???? I know he voted GB in the end but at that point it probably didn't matter anymore and he shouldn't have voted for Kurumi in the first place at all if what he said before that was genuine.

I know some people are saying Jock is re-evaluating the game after the FF flip but i don't really see it. I honestly first thouhg Jock is town because why would he kill FF, his scumread (unless GB is mafia too -- but right now i don't expect that to be true). Just look at Jock's re-evaluation:
- First he says he needs to re-evaluate things because FF his scumread died
- He never evaluates GB, which is the first thing he should do
- The he says he need to reread Shockeyy because "a lot of alignments depend on Shockeyys" (i dont even understand why he thinks that because he never explains anything about it)
- But he doesn't really reread Shockeyy on any level, he just comes back with some random posts and says that Shockeyy is town because ??? and Koshi and Shockeyy are opposing alignments and because of a BAD post Shockeyy made on Koshi that could make him think Shockeyy actually could be mafia but without no investigation on that ever in the game he just ends up on Shockeyy being town again and Koshi being mafia.
- Basically he never re-evaluated anything and just ended up with whatever he had before the night kill. That's literally ALL his posts during D2 so basically he hasn't done anything lol...

Chezinu kind of always has to be mafia unless the mafia team is exactly Jock, Gb and Slam. But i don't think that's the most likely answer anyways. Noone is willing to even CONSIDER Chezinu as mafia aside from Vivax and Trfel (who are basically town anyways), so yeah.... I don't think not considering Chezinu mafia as mafia, if Chezinu is not, is a good play for mafia because he is probably almost a free lynch. So i think Chezinu has to be mafia.

##vote Chezinu

On May 05 2020 12:09 Alakaslam wrote:
The reason it feels hopeless to me is no one can come to a consensus on anyone let alone the right people.

I dont care if Trfel is active as all hell and... saying big cases and wondering who is scum all the time. It still looks textbook scum to me but it is like pulling teeth to get anyone to agree with that.

In fact. After what GB said

##Unvote
##Vote: Trfel

I seriously think he is more likely to flip red than Jock is. Because I may SR jock but that is only because I think the dead hate him except that the dead also hate me, so I’d better not read based on the incorrect dead (and the provably incorrect dead at that).

On May 05 2020 14:36 Trfel wrote:
If I may, what kind of involvement with theater? And thanks, I really do appreciate it

The more I think about it, the more your team does make sense. In some ways it makes more sense than my team. For example, I think it's weird putting you and Jockmcplop as mafia together, given how you went after Jockmcplop's joke vote so solidly and for so long. And I don't have many good reasons for Alakaslam to be mafia besides POE But for some reason it still feels like it has to be right.

On May 05 2020 15:12 Jockmcplop wrote:



Not even a hint in your filter of this before today. It came out of nowhere, even for you.

On May 05 2020 15:45 Jockmcplop wrote:
Given that if you lynch me its game over.

On May 06 2020 02:01 Alakaslam wrote:

If I was mason with ShoCkeyy I wouldnt have hard suspected him early.

On May 06 2020 02:13 Koshi wrote:

Why?

On May 05 2020 21:16 Vivax wrote:
Yo.
So, Jock, here we are.

##Vote Jock

As you might have figured out yesterday, I have some issues with some reads of yours.
Last day you had Trfel and me in your PoE, today also but now you're saying we're mutually exclusively mafia. The reasoning for that is nowhere to be seen. Adding a / is convenient when you're limiting yourself to three scumreads, I can understand that, but it's just lazy.

In theory, you are now in a spot where you can singlehandedly save town. Everyone reads your posts. What do you do? You post a list and kinda say 'meh but if I die town loses'.

If I were in your spot I'd be on a crusade right now to lynch my scumreads, I'd try to find every single scummy fucker on my wagon and call them out. But we get a meek list with poorly explained reads and somehow I'm mafia with Chez even though we're on the same page with thinking that his play this game has just been blue hunting.

Also, he's claiming a roleblock. Question to everyone: Did anyone get roleblocked N1? I went back and looked through every single post after N1 which was a massive pain in the butt and I can assure you I didn't spot any roleblock, unless Jock put one in a spoiler.

So here's my problem: Chez is basically coming at mylo, pretended not-so-subtly to be blue all game long, didn't get shot, and after N2 claims that there's a mafia roleblocker that didn't do anything N1.

To add insult to injury, Shockeyy said he was masoned with someone who was roleplaying and who he thought was Chez, and that mason is almost guaranteed to be mafia because he didn't claim to confirm Shockeyy's claim.

So Jock, I am mafia with Chez?

On May 05 2020 21:30 Vivax wrote:
One more alternative scenario that just eluded me and the only one in my opinion that excuses Chez roleblock claim is that scum thought Fefe was veteran for some reason and roleblocked him the same night of the kill, which I find pretty unlikely, so I didn't even think of that before.

Either way, I don't believe a word of what Chez is saying.

On May 05 2020 22:22 Vivax wrote:


It doesn't matter to me. One to me is confirmed scum, the other is a guaranteed loss for town if he's town so we might as well lynch jock because lynching chez just buys us more time to lynch jock.

If you catch my meaning, I'd take the riskier lynch today even over confirmed scum because if Jock is town we most likely lose even if we lynch scum now.

On May 06 2020 08:40 Trfel wrote:
Huh, interesting. I guess I never thought about it like that.

Have you had a chance to re-evaluate Jockmcplop yet? Not trying to rush you, just wondering.

On May 06 2020 11:13 Trfel wrote:
Is there any way I can convince you to switch back to Jockmcplop?

On May 07 2020 02:46 Alakaslam wrote:
Hmm. Claim looks fake due to the overall context. I feel comfortable with my vote.

##Summon Chezinu

I think U are the real bloo m8

On May 07 2020 03:01 Jockmcplop wrote:


I'm here until EoD.

Why would he not claim earlier in the day and have your vote somewhere other than the scum he claims he caught? It doesn't make sense.

If he wasn't going to claim because he didn't see himself being in danger he would have wanted to signal that he had caught scum asap in the thread, but instead of that he spent the whole day telling everyone that i'm mafia.

Unless he always planned to claim at EoD but that doesn't make sense from a town perspective either.

My vote is in the right place for sure.