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I just thought of something I want to say.
Why the hell have people been scumreading based on changing minds?
If you are gonna scumread someone for changing their mind. Then you should also believe that day1 lynches usually hit scum. Because, town MUST change their mind on occasion as new information comes up, and town often WILL change their mind even with no new info as they look at the same shit with a new lens.
Scum are more likely to have a consistent plan and stick to it (which doesn't mean their reads will be consistent!) so tbat is the thing to watch for.
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On May 05 2020 05:21 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 04:41 Alakaslam wrote:
I just thought of something I want to say.
Why the hell have people been scumreading based on changing minds?
If you are gonna scumread someone for changing their mind. Then you should also believe that day1 lynches usually hit scum. Because, town MUST change their mind on occasion as new information comes up, and town often WILL change their mind even with no new info as they look at the same shit with a new lens.
Scum are more likely to have a consistent plan and stick to it (which doesn't mean their reads will be consistent!) so tbat is the thing to watch for. Why were you so confident ShoCkkey would be town at the end of the day? That was a large part of why I thought he would be scum.
-_-
How many times must I say it.
Rayn gaslighting him definitely painted him town in my eyes. His reaction to that was so townie it hurt. I cant believe people would scumread him after all that.
GB is also town. Clearly you are too (thanks rayn) but Trfel is not so clearly town but he is putting in a lot of work either way.
GB understanding Kurumi would be such a dumb thing as scum. He would be better off disagreeing IMO. Unless Kurumi was super wrong all over the place but I think that is still wifom? Maybe I should reread Kurumi.
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I mean fuck it. If it is against my wincon to play the fucking game then I’ll just go silent and vote so that more townies dont get ahat on because I am smart enough to see they are town
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On May 05 2020 05:54 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 05:50 Alakaslam wrote:
I mean fuck it. If it is against my wincon to play the fucking game then I’ll just go silent and vote so that more townies dont get ahat on because I am smart enough to see they are town I'm not shitting on you. I was just trying to understand your thought process. I didn't read the pages the previous night so that's my bad that Rayn was asking you that already.
I’m not saying you are shitting on me I am saying that you just said the reason ShoCkeyy got shat on was because I TR’d him?
So then I had better shut up and hope nobody lynches GB?!
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I dont get why so many people see trfel’s play as townie.
Lists, asking questions, never knows who is scum
Why hasnt he been lynched? Well because he has been active and there are so many inactives this game. But now we are past the point where that matters. I am really nagged by a feeling that Trfel is scum.
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On May 03 2020 20:32 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2020 20:31 Chezinu wrote:On May 03 2020 20:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 03 2020 20:26 Chezinu wrote:
I tried so hard to get mafia to shoot me last night... I think that I am done roleplaying. Only Grack cared. That is why he is town. wait, why did you want mafia to shoot you if you visited Vivax last night? STOP IT!!! LET ME TROLL CLAIM!!!! oh ##:unvote
## vote: slam
What the hell?
What is this. Why
So did some shit happen while I was gone (between the 40’s and 60’s) that somehow super implicated me that Chez did?
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Or is this more “be gone get lynched”?
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On May 03 2020 21:06 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2020 19:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think the following people are town.
Vivax, Trfel, Koshi. I mean like i am just going to assume they are town.
The next important thing is the votecount and GB's alignment. If GB is town, mafia didn't care about the lynch. If GB is mafia, mafia still didn't care about the lynch. I kind of agree with Vivax that GB not voting for the counter wagon -- while incredibly stupid, most likely makes him town. The only person from the "not taking a stance on lynch" by the eod was Slam who was swapping his votes after Kurumi started posting. I don't think that looks townie and i think Slam is the only person aside from the people who were on Kurumi and GB can actually be mafia.
I don't think either of Shockeyy and Grackaroni were reading either of Kurumi/GB mafia. I actually think Shockeyy tried to make people switch to Slam, i think that's minor town points for him. I kind of thought Grack has to be mafia based on him not wanting to do anything about the lynch, especially when his biggest scumread is voting for Kurumi the most obvious decision to make is to try make people vote for either Slam, or join the opposing wagon. However, i have zero understanding of why Grack continued like he did after D1. Basically if Grack is mafia, he built up a scumread on me all game jsut to throw it into the trash for whatever reason come D2??? I don't think that makes any sense at all from mafia perspective.
So GB goes to probably town pile and Grack goes to town pile, Shockeyy goes to possibly town pile and Slam is like ????? maybe scum?
The thing to note is that i still think there is a possibility of GB being mafia, just because FF suspected him, and while he writes a lot of posts pretty much everything he votes for is "because he didn't post in X amount of time" and i think that's super weak. Wasn't it for the eod i would definitely think GB is mafia and i don't think it's completely out of the possible universes that he is in fact mafia. Hell it's definitely in his range of mafia plays to even be mafia with Jock, or Slam.
Anyways the most likely answer based on the above there is, is that:
One of GB/Jock is mafia (my preference is Jock)
One of Slam/Shockeyy is mafia (prefer Slam)
Chezinu is mafia.
The problem i have with Slam is his read change with me and Shockeyy. I switched my vote from Jock to GB to Shockeyy to Kurumi. Sure Slam can think that somehow makes me mafia (it shouldn't), but for that he has some weird association that this ALSO makes Shockeyy town. I dont think he should ever have that association based on what i did. I think this is more likely trying to get Shockeyy back off from him, based on that at the point this happened there were two votes on him (aka possibility of him being lynched -- especially if Shockeyy and Grack are town as i assume if Slam is mafia). Furthermore if this was his genuine thought process i don't have a slightest clue why he changes his vote to vote WITH his biggest scumread rayn???? I know he voted GB in the end but at that point it probably didn't matter anymore and he shouldn't have voted for Kurumi in the first place at all if what he said before that was genuine.
I know some people are saying Jock is re-evaluating the game after the FF flip but i don't really see it. I honestly first thouhg Jock is town because why would he kill FF, his scumread (unless GB is mafia too -- but right now i don't expect that to be true). Just look at Jock's re-evaluation:
- First he says he needs to re-evaluate things because FF his scumread died
- He never evaluates GB, which is the first thing he should do
- The he says he need to reread Shockeyy because "a lot of alignments depend on Shockeyys" (i dont even understand why he thinks that because he never explains anything about it)
- But he doesn't really reread Shockeyy on any level, he just comes back with some random posts and says that Shockeyy is town because ??? and Koshi and Shockeyy are opposing alignments and because of a BAD post Shockeyy made on Koshi that could make him think Shockeyy actually could be mafia but without no investigation on that ever in the game he just ends up on Shockeyy being town again and Koshi being mafia.
- Basically he never re-evaluated anything and just ended up with whatever he had before the night kill. That's literally ALL his posts during D2 so basically he hasn't done anything lol...
Chezinu kind of always has to be mafia unless the mafia team is exactly Jock, Gb and Slam. But i don't think that's the most likely answer anyways. Noone is willing to even CONSIDER Chezinu as mafia aside from Vivax and Trfel (who are basically town anyways), so yeah.... I don't think not considering Chezinu mafia as mafia, if Chezinu is not, is a good play for mafia because he is probably almost a free lynch. So i think Chezinu has to be mafia.
##vote Chezinu Many words. The question is: Is this guiding town into the wrong direction or actually rayn his mibdset in the game that he wants to tell us. I think there is a fair bit in this entire post that is speculative guiding. To be deciding in which direction. If you are town and in your gut you feel this is the bible and you need to follow this you should consider this instead as Satans seduction into the pits of Hell.
Really liking Koshi and not finding how I am supposed to be so suspicious.
Reading the nested quote.
People dismiss my filter and what I actually say. So dont be surprised when I do things you don’t expect.
My voting that day was because I knew Rayn was never gonna get lynched. Kurumi looked scummy at that point and so did GB, but I felt more townie on GB than kurumi.
Then Kurumi cheated and basically modconfirmed himself town. Well? Obviously prefer possible scum to confirmed town rifht?
Then later pull for Rayn lynch.
Rayn thinks I would solo vote just for principle here but he is wrong.
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So my team atm by PoE is Jock, Vivax, Trfel.
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Chezinu if he isnt blue, would replace Vivax. I dont really scumread Vivax.
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But it seems people are considering Chezinu confirmed town. Which I am doubtful of but I havent read some 20+ pages of the thread and can’t take that kind if time out of my day.
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So I gotta trust my “team”. But it just doesn’t feel right.
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I think this thing is already lost. But I feel drawn to it anyway. But whose mind am I supposed to change? What good am I supposed to do?
I really haven't the faintest who is mafia. Mafia is playing really well. It’s demoralizing for me, but every mafia game has someone who gets demoralized so i just hope the mafia players get to enjoy it as far as that goes.
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Or frankly town is playing like shit but it is easier for me to say mafia is playing really well since I still have some dignity.
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The reason it feels hopeless to me is no one can come to a consensus on anyone let alone the right people.
I dont care if Trfel is active as all hell and... saying big cases and wondering who is scum all the time. It still looks textbook scum to me but it is like pulling teeth to get anyone to agree with that.
In fact. After what GB said
##Unvote
##Vote: Trfel
I seriously think he is more likely to flip red than Jock is. Because I may SR jock but that is only because I think the dead hate him except that the dead also hate me, so I’d better not read based on the incorrect dead (and the provably incorrect dead at that).
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On May 05 2020 12:41 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 12:09 Alakaslam wrote:
The reason it feels hopeless to me is no one can come to a consensus on anyone let alone the right people.
I dont care if Trfel is active as all hell and... saying big cases and wondering who is scum all the time. It still looks textbook scum to me but it is like pulling teeth to get anyone to agree with that.
In fact. After what GB said
##Unvote
##Vote: Trfel
I seriously think he is more likely to flip red than Jock is. Because I may SR jock but that is only because I think the dead hate him except that the dead also hate me, so I’d better not read based on the incorrect dead (and the provably incorrect dead at that). Alright Slam, let's talk about his. Why do you think Trfel is scum specifically?
What does he think of anything? He has been all hopeless and scared since day 1
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On May 05 2020 14:41 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 14:36 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:27 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 14:23 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:20 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 14:15 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 14:11 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 13:55 Trfel wrote:On May 05 2020 13:45 GlowingBear wrote:On May 05 2020 12:37 Trfel wrote:
Hey GlowingBear, have you been feeling any better?
How's life been the past few years? I guess it's been quite a while since we really talked. Oh I just saw this post. Yes, I'm feeling better. I was just under some major stress and saturday I had some kind of breakdown. Fortunately, it helped me a lot. Still feeling headaches and muscular pain but it's a bit less. Last few years was tough. I had a big life crisis three years ago. And here I am now  thank you for asking, Trfel. What about you? Btw, Trfel, I coached you once, didn't I? Glad to hear! It makes sense, I'm really glad you are doing better, hopefully you can continue to recover. Mostly stress from work? Glad you made it through! I guess I'm kinda in a life crisis currently, I think I am going to go back to school and try and get a different degree. So that will be fun, more school.... Yes, I think you coached me twice, actually! Which is why my play early in the game can tend to be similar to yours (to get discussion started). I think I've improved my read accuracy significantly over the last few years, ironically the rest of my play has gotten worse over the same time, but ah well. I appreciate your willingness to help and offer advice Dude, we learn A LOT from life crisis. You have to be strong, though. If you're resilient enough, you'll see that you're stronger than you think. And will be more able to deal with problems. May I ask what did you graduate at? Yeah, I realized we have similar playstyles I believe I changed a bit since I stopped playing, anyway. Your style is good, PADAWAN APPROVED Unfortunately I'm not very strong  I've been dealing with quite a bit of depression these past few years, it's been making life quite difficult. Hopeful that things can start to improve though! Aw, thanks I appreciate it! I didn't realize you officially stopped, are you just playing now because of the virus or what? And if I may, how did your style change? I've dealt with depression too. If it's not clinical (definitely go see a psychiatrist), then a therapist and physical exercise will help you deal with it. Still today I fight it a bit. Once I feel depression coming, I accept it and work with it. The black dog stuff is a nice way to portrait depression. Yes, I came back because of the virus. I thought "okay, maybe a good time to play mafia". My style changed because I became way less emotional and paranoid. So, that's good Unfortunately mine is clinical, I've been in therapy and psychiatry for years and even a hospital stay from it What do you mean by the black dog stuff? I only came back because of the virus too, honestly I've been enjoying it though. Fun game, fun people Even once this ends, consider coming back every once in a while! It'd be too bad if you stopped permanently. Though I guess everyone does eventually... Haha, sounds good ^^ But paranoia is so much fun! I didn't had time because I started working with theater too. And when you're in rehearsals, it's impossible to play mafia. But anyway, let's see what happens after this coronavirus stuff. Maybe I keep playing. Thanks for that good to know I'm welcome. Know that this is reciprocal. If I may, what kind of involvement with theater? And thanks, I really do appreciate it The more I think about it, the more your team does make sense. In some ways it makes more sense than my team. For example, I think it's weird putting you and Jockmcplop as mafia together, given how you went after Jockmcplop's joke vote so solidly and for so long. And I don't have many good reasons for Alakaslam to be mafia besides POE But for some reason it still feels like it has to be right. I do almost everything in theater, I've been an actor, playwright, producer, you name it. But mainly, stage director. It's a second career as I don't earn almost anything with it rofl. The only reason I have to believe slam COULD be mafia is his wishy washiness, his lack of involvement in decisive moments. He being upset with shockey being lynch felt way too forced, he didn't seem to carry that much about what was happening during the day. But that's all.
Dude, did you somehow forget that is because I LITERALLY DIDNT POST ALL DAY AS I WAS FUCKING GONE, LITERALLY? I was literally fucking all day and even said it with tmi but maybe it wasnt so shocking since you forgot so fast lol
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On May 05 2020 15:16 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 15:12 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 05 2020 05:40 Chezinu wrote:
##vote Jockmcplop On May 05 2020 15:01 Chezinu wrote:
Mafia suspects:
6. Vivax
9. Koshi
12. Trfel
7. Alakaslam
8. Jockmcplop Not even a hint in your filter of this before today. It came out of nowhere, even for you. rayn started it. that is why you are at the bottom
Rayn is the sheep of doom. He jumped off the cliff being wrong over and over even as the cop and town will sheep him straight to a loss.
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On May 05 2020 15:36 Jockmcplop wrote:
At the moment
town:
Jock
Grack
GB
null:
slam
Mafia
chez
koshi
vivax/trfel
I'm starting to think slam is town. He's still null rather than a townread, but his tone today isn't one that I can see in his mafia meta and i've looked at all of his mafia games in the archive. He's annoyed and sounds defeated, which i didn't see at all in his meta. He's also been quick to take things personally the whole game and I don't see that much in his mafia meta either.
Can I ask why everyone is quick to TR chez? I know he has claimed again but he has claimed like three or four times different roles this game. Why do you believe him unconditionally now with no evidence when you didn't believe him before. It looks more like PR hunting to me.
because they are sheeping rayn to the slaughterhouse
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On May 05 2020 15:48 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2020 15:45 Jockmcplop wrote:
Given that if you lynch me its game over. But that's not a worry of mine... If you are town though, can't you convince me to lynch someone other than Chezinu? If you are town and even if Chezinu is somehow mafia, there are still two more mafia to lynch today. It doesn't have to be Chezinu.
Wtf this looks like a scum claim
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