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On May 03 2020 14:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2020 14:44 GlowingBear wrote:On May 03 2020 14:40 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GB what are you smoking, I was saying that FF talked about you quite a bit, and with that early vote on you can make it look like one or the other. How in any way FF's death tells anything about my alignment? A lot of people talked about me. On May 03 2020 14:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I didn’t do some conspiracy and just throw it out. I voted with my scum read, how is that throwing it out? Do you think I was framed? No obviously not, that’s why Koshi is going on the second “easiest” lynch this D2. You were first, and he started the wagon. Now D2 he starts the Shockeyy wagon and fucks off again.
Good news. They are not both mafia.
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Dnu if a town!shockey would beg a pretty scummy GB so fucking hard. Like where is the bit of doubt in his mind abou gb??
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On May 03 2020 18:14 Trfel wrote:
I could lynch Chezinu as well.
Looking forward to raynpelikoneet's thoughts.
At some point you should consider to stop eating rat poison.
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On May 03 2020 19:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think the following people are town.
Vivax, Trfel, Koshi. I mean like i am just going to assume they are town.
The next important thing is the votecount and GB's alignment. If GB is town, mafia didn't care about the lynch. If GB is mafia, mafia still didn't care about the lynch. I kind of agree with Vivax that GB not voting for the counter wagon -- while incredibly stupid, most likely makes him town. The only person from the "not taking a stance on lynch" by the eod was Slam who was swapping his votes after Kurumi started posting. I don't think that looks townie and i think Slam is the only person aside from the people who were on Kurumi and GB can actually be mafia.
I don't think either of Shockeyy and Grackaroni were reading either of Kurumi/GB mafia. I actually think Shockeyy tried to make people switch to Slam, i think that's minor town points for him. I kind of thought Grack has to be mafia based on him not wanting to do anything about the lynch, especially when his biggest scumread is voting for Kurumi the most obvious decision to make is to try make people vote for either Slam, or join the opposing wagon. However, i have zero understanding of why Grack continued like he did after D1. Basically if Grack is mafia, he built up a scumread on me all game jsut to throw it into the trash for whatever reason come D2??? I don't think that makes any sense at all from mafia perspective.
So GB goes to probably town pile and Grack goes to town pile, Shockeyy goes to possibly town pile and Slam is like ????? maybe scum?
The thing to note is that i still think there is a possibility of GB being mafia, just because FF suspected him, and while he writes a lot of posts pretty much everything he votes for is "because he didn't post in X amount of time" and i think that's super weak. Wasn't it for the eod i would definitely think GB is mafia and i don't think it's completely out of the possible universes that he is in fact mafia. Hell it's definitely in his range of mafia plays to even be mafia with Jock, or Slam.
Anyways the most likely answer based on the above there is, is that:
One of GB/Jock is mafia (my preference is Jock)
One of Slam/Shockeyy is mafia (prefer Slam)
Chezinu is mafia.
The problem i have with Slam is his read change with me and Shockeyy. I switched my vote from Jock to GB to Shockeyy to Kurumi. Sure Slam can think that somehow makes me mafia (it shouldn't), but for that he has some weird association that this ALSO makes Shockeyy town. I dont think he should ever have that association based on what i did. I think this is more likely trying to get Shockeyy back off from him, based on that at the point this happened there were two votes on him (aka possibility of him being lynched -- especially if Shockeyy and Grack are town as i assume if Slam is mafia). Furthermore if this was his genuine thought process i don't have a slightest clue why he changes his vote to vote WITH his biggest scumread rayn???? I know he voted GB in the end but at that point it probably didn't matter anymore and he shouldn't have voted for Kurumi in the first place at all if what he said before that was genuine.
I know some people are saying Jock is re-evaluating the game after the FF flip but i don't really see it. I honestly first thouhg Jock is town because why would he kill FF, his scumread (unless GB is mafia too -- but right now i don't expect that to be true). Just look at Jock's re-evaluation:
- First he says he needs to re-evaluate things because FF his scumread died
- He never evaluates GB, which is the first thing he should do
- The he says he need to reread Shockeyy because "a lot of alignments depend on Shockeyys" (i dont even understand why he thinks that because he never explains anything about it)
- But he doesn't really reread Shockeyy on any level, he just comes back with some random posts and says that Shockeyy is town because ??? and Koshi and Shockeyy are opposing alignments and because of a BAD post Shockeyy made on Koshi that could make him think Shockeyy actually could be mafia but without no investigation on that ever in the game he just ends up on Shockeyy being town again and Koshi being mafia.
- Basically he never re-evaluated anything and just ended up with whatever he had before the night kill. That's literally ALL his posts during D2 so basically he hasn't done anything lol...
Chezinu kind of always has to be mafia unless the mafia team is exactly Jock, Gb and Slam. But i don't think that's the most likely answer anyways. Noone is willing to even CONSIDER Chezinu as mafia aside from Vivax and Trfel (who are basically town anyways), so yeah.... I don't think not considering Chezinu mafia as mafia, if Chezinu is not, is a good play for mafia because he is probably almost a free lynch. So i think Chezinu has to be mafia.
##vote Chezinu
Many words.
The question is: Is this guiding town into the wrong direction or actually rayn his mibdset in the game that he wants to tell us.
I think there is a fair bit in this entire post that is speculative guiding. To be deciding in which direction.
If you are town and in your gut you feel this is the bible and you need to follow this you should consider this instead as Satans seduction into the pits of Hell.
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Anyway. I am getting swayed that GB is town and that jock is town as well.
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On May 03 2020 19:36 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +i think Slam is the only person aside from the people who were on Kurumi and GB can actually be mafia. Show nested quote +On May 03 2020 19:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I know some people are saying Jock is re-evaluating the game after the FF flip but i don't really see it. I honestly first thouhg Jock is town because why would he kill FF, his scumread (unless GB is mafia too -- but right now i don't expect that to be true). Just look at Jock's re-evaluation:
- First he says he needs to re-evaluate things because FF his scumread died
- He never evaluates GB, which is the first thing he should do
- The he says he need to reread Shockeyy because "a lot of alignments depend on Shockeyys" (i dont even understand why he thinks that because he never explains anything about it)
- But he doesn't really reread Shockeyy on any level, he just comes back with some random posts and says that Shockeyy is town because ??? and Koshi and Shockeyy are opposing alignments and because of a BAD post Shockeyy made on Koshi that could make him think Shockeyy actually could be mafia but without no investigation on that ever in the game he just ends up on Shockeyy being town again and Koshi being mafia.
- Basically he never re-evaluated anything and just ended up with whatever he had before the night kill. That's literally ALL his posts during D2 so basically he hasn't done anything lol...
ok 1: I wasn't on Kurumi or GB 2: I looked at FF's filter and went through his scumreads. Its possible to re-evaluate and end up in a similar place to before. 3: I have talked plenty about GB today. 4: Alot of alignments do depend on shockeyy. I think one of shockeyy/koshi is mafia mainly because I think koshi is mafia but if he's town shockeyy's push on him from the beginning of the game looks real bad. Also there's been a consistent push against shockeyy for most of the game so that's why figuring out his alignment is important. 5: I tried to re-evaluate the case against shockeyy to see if my townread was missing something and found that there wasn't a case against him at all. Hence I continued to townread him. I suppose you could just ignore that and replace it with ??? to make me look bad but that's kinda silly.
No this guy is fucking town. Point 4 & 5 read actually genuine. He is just wrong but that is ok.
Harder to read a trying town as town over a hiding in the bushes mafia.
And my GB shot was probably super bad for people who read GB correctly from the start.
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On May 03 2020 19:59 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
Jock who do you want to lynch?
What is this entire conversation about? Do you want to find mafia?
Defending against rayn maybe??
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On May 03 2020 20:01 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2020 19:59 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
Jock who do you want to lynch?
What is this entire conversation about? Do you want to find mafia? My PoE currently: Slam Koshi Chezinu Trfel Vivax
Hahaha. Oh boy my friend. Those are potentially all town.
Its good. Youbare for sure town for that list. Hahahaha.
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On May 03 2020 20:21 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2020 20:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 03 2020 19:52 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 03 2020 19:12 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 03 2020 06:56 Trfel wrote:On May 03 2020 06:41 Vivax wrote:On May 03 2020 06:19 Trfel wrote:On May 03 2020 05:41 Vivax wrote:On May 03 2020 05:37 Trfel wrote:I take it people were very underwhelmed by my post on GlowingBear  Hard to think of something I'm not underwhelmed from. Which people btw. ##Vote rayn Just no one commented on it. Maybe I need to rewrite it. Voting raynpelikoneet if he doesn't play makes sense? Except for a lot of people aren't playing currently Yeah I'm sorry if I don't pay too much attention to your case right now. I'm also kinda triggered that today to me feels like a circlejerk between you and me. But if vets I'm used to like Koshi and rayn basically put 1% of the effort they did on D1, coupled with the FF kill, then odds are at least one of them is mafia. And I'm putting my money on rayn, also because of his voting shenanigans yesterday. Hm, that makes sense, fair enough. I'll keep my vote on GlowingBear for now (I'm most confident he is mafia) but I guess I could vote for raynpelikoneet if things keep going this way. Also, sorry Jockmcplop, realized I forgot to respond to you. I am sorry for being incorrect. For some reason I'm having trouble finding the posts in your filter. I take it the reason you ask is because you're scumreading Koshi too, so the same logic that it looks suspicious for GlowingBear should look suspicious for you too. That makes sense but I don't think it really applies to this case, since this is more of an emotional point. GlowingBear should be much more emotionally invested in his scumread of Koshi if he is town, and I would expect that to come out much more in his play. OK. Thanks for responding. I don't like this argument, at least I can't go along with it, because someone's emotional investment in the game is something you get to know about each individual player and I don't really know GB at all. If I was sure you were town I would be more likely to take your word for it, but I'm not. As for the other parts of your case: 1. Scumread Koshi for misconstruing GlowingBear's play. However, note the timing, he scumread Koshi well after this all started. Despite GlowingBear not having a townread on Koshi, he got mad at Koshi and treated Koshi like town and never questioned that he could be mafia until much later, when raynpelikoneet asks him about Koshi. This doesn't feel natural at all. Town tend to be quick to call their accusers scum, especially when they feel misrepresented and ignored and all the things GlowingBear was saying. Point 1 does get my interest. Do you have quotes to back this up? 2. Shifting reads. His scumreads shift in priority in a way that doesn't make sense. First he says Jockmcplop is mafia, and Alakaslam second. Then he says Jockmcplop and Koshi are mafia, and raynpelikoneet or Alakaslam. Then he was making a case on raynpelikoneet to defend himself (huh?). Then most recently raynpelikoneet as top mafia. It doesn't feel like he is putting much thought into his scumreads. Point 2 is actually the reason i was townreading GB to start with. I think he would have taken the opportunity to get a mislynch on me rather than just townreading me because I didn't vote. He's reacting to what is happening in the thread. I take it you think these reactions are not genuine looking. Is that because of bad reasoning or just a feeling you get? This whole post is about GB rayn. I engaged trfel about his GB case because trfel was in the thread and scumreading GB. I'm actually in the middle of talking to trfel about it right now, you don't even have to leave the page to see it. I want trfel to go find the quotes to back up point 1 because it might effect my scumread on GB. Or is this all an 'outright lie' too.. I don't think there is anything you say about GB's alignment there, nor that it looks like you're even trying to re-evaluate something. You say: - You don't know GB so you dont know what he would do - But then you assume what he would do?? - The only part you seem interested in you are not willing to investigate yourself. Why does Trfel have to go and prove something to you, why aren't you interested in looking into it by yourself? You can open GB's fliter and see if what Trfel says makes sense or not. Rayn, ask yourself if you are still just tunnelling me. If you are there's no point in discussing this stuff because you won't change your mind no matter what evidence i put in front you. If you're open to admitting that most of the stuff in your previous post was wrong, then that's fine. Who have pushed shockeyy and why are there no posts in your filter in actually trying to figure out what that means? Or if there are please do point me out to them. On May 03 2020 00:30 Jockmcplop wrote:So the people who voted shockeyy are slam, trfel and rayn. Rayn voted him because he didn't like shockeyy trying to lynch koshi, but rayn also backed down pretty quickly and went for people he was more strongly scumreading (some town points to rayn for this by the way). Slam's reason seems to be about a beef with shockeyy and the way shockeyy has called him mafia alot. I'm using a particular post slam made to me about it for reference as to slam's reasoning. Trfel seems like rayn, kind of not really bothered about lynching shockeyy: On May 01 2020 02:50 Trfel wrote:
##unvote
##vote ShoCkeyy
Underwhelming filter. I like Vivax's (?) point about ShoCkeyy saying he voted Koshi only for a pressure vote, but also saying that Koshi's opening was a mafia opening. He's yet to give any other reasons to suspect Koshi. And more importantly, he's just saying recently "I like GlowingBear more than Koshi" while voting for Alakaslam, while GlowingBear is leading the lynch and Koshi or Alakaslam aren't really in contention.
Not sold on it but maybe it'll work? Possibly just seeing what would happen with the wagon if he voted there. His point about saying he voted koshi for a pressure vote and also saying koshi's opening was mafia is the only thing i agree looks bad here. I disagree with drawing conclusions from how shockeyy was voting slam while GB was up for lynch. I don't think that looks bad on shockeyy and he never showed interest in particularly trying to save GB, but was voting for a scumread. I still think shockeyy is town here. I just can't see any case for him being mafia except his early thing with the read on koshi, and that's nowhere near enough to scumread him when his reads have been consistent, and consistent with his voting also. I thin you're town and i think you're tunnelled. The stuff you say i haven't posted i have actually posted you are just blind to it because you think i'm scum. This is such a townie rayn trait that there's no way i can do anything but townread you for it. If you're going to keep tunnelling like this i'm going to stop responding because unless you are willing listen to what i'm saying and read my filter with an open mind there's no point in me talking to you. I never "pushed" shockeyy. Trfel hardly pushed shockeyy. The only person who pushed Shockeyy was slam. Other than that, let's say you actually think me and trfel pushed shockeyy. Why does shockeyy being whatever change your opinion on "a lot of players" (that's literally what you said) because you already think both of me and trfel are town? Like if shockeyy is mafia we are more town? How does that change anything? If shockeyy is town, slam, koshi and vivax and to a lesser extent trfel are all suspects. You say you never pushed shockeyy but you voted for him. Was that an accident or something? I don't think trfel is town any more really. At first i did but i find his play very underwhelming and not really in a townie way. And yeah, you're right, I could go and look at GB's filter myself, but its trfel's case and he wanted opinions on it so he can go find the quotes given that he already knows exactly where they are and what he's referring to.
This is why you lynch Shockey. A town is on such a wrong path just because he has shockey wrong and it completely fucks up his head.
Good for you to look for mafia without interference from others. Sadly you went on the first crosroad right and it should have been left.
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On May 03 2020 21:11 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2020 21:06 Koshi wrote:On May 03 2020 19:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think the following people are town.
Vivax, Trfel, Koshi. I mean like i am just going to assume they are town.
The next important thing is the votecount and GB's alignment. If GB is town, mafia didn't care about the lynch. If GB is mafia, mafia still didn't care about the lynch. I kind of agree with Vivax that GB not voting for the counter wagon -- while incredibly stupid, most likely makes him town. The only person from the "not taking a stance on lynch" by the eod was Slam who was swapping his votes after Kurumi started posting. I don't think that looks townie and i think Slam is the only person aside from the people who were on Kurumi and GB can actually be mafia.
I don't think either of Shockeyy and Grackaroni were reading either of Kurumi/GB mafia. I actually think Shockeyy tried to make people switch to Slam, i think that's minor town points for him. I kind of thought Grack has to be mafia based on him not wanting to do anything about the lynch, especially when his biggest scumread is voting for Kurumi the most obvious decision to make is to try make people vote for either Slam, or join the opposing wagon. However, i have zero understanding of why Grack continued like he did after D1. Basically if Grack is mafia, he built up a scumread on me all game jsut to throw it into the trash for whatever reason come D2??? I don't think that makes any sense at all from mafia perspective.
So GB goes to probably town pile and Grack goes to town pile, Shockeyy goes to possibly town pile and Slam is like ????? maybe scum?
The thing to note is that i still think there is a possibility of GB being mafia, just because FF suspected him, and while he writes a lot of posts pretty much everything he votes for is "because he didn't post in X amount of time" and i think that's super weak. Wasn't it for the eod i would definitely think GB is mafia and i don't think it's completely out of the possible universes that he is in fact mafia. Hell it's definitely in his range of mafia plays to even be mafia with Jock, or Slam.
Anyways the most likely answer based on the above there is, is that:
One of GB/Jock is mafia (my preference is Jock)
One of Slam/Shockeyy is mafia (prefer Slam)
Chezinu is mafia.
The problem i have with Slam is his read change with me and Shockeyy. I switched my vote from Jock to GB to Shockeyy to Kurumi. Sure Slam can think that somehow makes me mafia (it shouldn't), but for that he has some weird association that this ALSO makes Shockeyy town. I dont think he should ever have that association based on what i did. I think this is more likely trying to get Shockeyy back off from him, based on that at the point this happened there were two votes on him (aka possibility of him being lynched -- especially if Shockeyy and Grack are town as i assume if Slam is mafia). Furthermore if this was his genuine thought process i don't have a slightest clue why he changes his vote to vote WITH his biggest scumread rayn???? I know he voted GB in the end but at that point it probably didn't matter anymore and he shouldn't have voted for Kurumi in the first place at all if what he said before that was genuine.
I know some people are saying Jock is re-evaluating the game after the FF flip but i don't really see it. I honestly first thouhg Jock is town because why would he kill FF, his scumread (unless GB is mafia too -- but right now i don't expect that to be true). Just look at Jock's re-evaluation:
- First he says he needs to re-evaluate things because FF his scumread died
- He never evaluates GB, which is the first thing he should do
- The he says he need to reread Shockeyy because "a lot of alignments depend on Shockeyys" (i dont even understand why he thinks that because he never explains anything about it)
- But he doesn't really reread Shockeyy on any level, he just comes back with some random posts and says that Shockeyy is town because ??? and Koshi and Shockeyy are opposing alignments and because of a BAD post Shockeyy made on Koshi that could make him think Shockeyy actually could be mafia but without no investigation on that ever in the game he just ends up on Shockeyy being town again and Koshi being mafia.
- Basically he never re-evaluated anything and just ended up with whatever he had before the night kill. That's literally ALL his posts during D2 so basically he hasn't done anything lol...
Chezinu kind of always has to be mafia unless the mafia team is exactly Jock, Gb and Slam. But i don't think that's the most likely answer anyways. Noone is willing to even CONSIDER Chezinu as mafia aside from Vivax and Trfel (who are basically town anyways), so yeah.... I don't think not considering Chezinu mafia as mafia, if Chezinu is not, is a good play for mafia because he is probably almost a free lynch. So i think Chezinu has to be mafia.
##vote Chezinu Many words. The question is: Is this guiding town into the wrong direction or actually rayn his mibdset in the game that he wants to tell us. I think there is a fair bit in this entire post that is speculative guiding. To be deciding in which direction. If you are town and in your gut you feel this is the bible and you need to follow this you should consider this instead as Satans seduction into the pits of Hell. It is kinda what I wanted to hear. But Chez also went ham after this post and Jock looks like he really cares about rayn's opinion on him so if we lynch either of them and one or two flip scum there's not really a point worrying about rayn. It's a bit insane to want to lynch rayn over one of them.
I am not lynching rayn. Just runnong away from the people he wants to lynch.
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On May 03 2020 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Chezinu, do you want to claim something or not? If you are blue i would prefer you did, because i dont think i am gonna lynch anyone other than you unless you claim. Obviously you can also think i am mafia so in that case you shouldn't probably vote for Trfel.
See mafia afraid for chez.
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Blue chez that is. Always annoying as fuck if you know 2 blues are in town and chez is town.
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On May 03 2020 21:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How about we vote for Slam Koshi?
No. Shockey.
Slam will be tpwn and shockey will cry 5000 rivers about how I am now 100% mafia based on all the science in the world.
You mynchî into slam/me when fucking shockey is alive.
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On May 03 2020 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so Koshi is either mafia or being very stupid here.
Vote kurumi more. The person who had a townmeld on him, showed effort and could be an asset on town.
Oh well. Tfrel must feel good in your pocket.
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On May 03 2020 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2020 21:18 Koshi wrote:On May 03 2020 21:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How about we vote for Slam Koshi? No. Shockey. Slam will be tpwn and shockey will cry 5000 rivers about how I am now 100% mafia based on all the science in the world. You mynchî into slam/me when fucking shockey is alive. You are right i am 100% lynching into you / Slam over Shockeyy.
Tip top rayn. Please vote me then.
Shockey believes I am mafia, Jock believes I am mafia. Tfrel will vote with you.
Please make me vs Shockey wagon.
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Vote me. I am fine showing green to wake up some fuckers in this town.
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Remeber then
1. Koshi was right about Kurumi
2. Koshi was right about fefe
3. Koshi was lynched and showed green.
4. About what could Koshi be right about as well??
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And then we know
rayn was wrong on kurumi.
rayn was wrong on Koshi
Hmmm why o why
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So please Jock, Shockey and the ones in rayn pocket.
Please vote Koshi.
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