[M][N]Oil Futures Mafia - Page 6

On May 02 2020 11:13 Grackaroni wrote:

I don't really care about going after Rayn as mafia. Maybe not advisable to poke Rayn if I'm not willing to put in the effort to play though.

On May 03 2020 00:09 Jockmcplop wrote:


So these are the people that are implicated/framed by the Fefe kill.

Here's how I was on them before Fefe's kill:

town
shockeyy

town lean
GB

null:
chez
grack

scum
slam

I think i'm more likely to townlean grack now just because of his attitude and tone.

GB stays where he is. I'm really not convinced of trfel's case on him at all. In fact I flat out disagree with it.

Which leaves chez and slam in the null/scum sections. This makes me uncomfortable, they aren't two players who I want to build a view of the game on assuming their alignment, as they are both very difficult to read.

I think shockeyy is the most important player right now. I'm gonna go and reread all the reasons people have for scumreading him. I already said why i disagree with Fefe's reasons for scumreading shockeyy and his flip doesn't change my reasoning there at all.

I still have a strong feeling that koshi and shockeyy are opposite alignments.

On May 03 2020 14:01 Trfel wrote:
Well, I'll likely be around for a bit if anyone wants to talk. GlowingBear, especially you.

@GlowingBear, why doesn't ShoCkeyy's post makes sense? I can understand where he is coming from, at least, even if I don't necessarily agree.

On May 03 2020 14:07 Trfel wrote:
I'll leave that for ShoCkeyy to answer, I guesssssssss I can kinda see where you're coming from, even if I can see ShoCkeyy's perspective more easily.

Interested to hear your thoughts when you are finished catching up.

On May 03 2020 14:12 Trfel wrote:
It's slightly explained in his filter but not a ton.

Who do you think is mafia currently? I know ShoCkeyy, still raynpelikoneet and Koshi? What about Alakaslam and the rest?

On May 03 2020 14:40 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GB what are you smoking, I was saying that FF talked about you quite a bit, and with that early vote on you can make it look like one or the other.

On May 03 2020 14:41 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I didn’t do some conspiracy and just throw it out. I voted with my scum read, how is that throwing it out?

On May 02 2020 05:59 ShoCkeyy wrote:
There's only two possible scenarios with the information above, either they're trying to frame GB or GB is mafia.

On May 03 2020 15:03 ShoCkeyy wrote:
They tried to frame you.

On May 03 2020 19:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think the following people are town.
Vivax, Trfel, Koshi. I mean like i am just going to assume they are town.

The next important thing is the votecount and GB's alignment. If GB is town, mafia didn't care about the lynch. If GB is mafia, mafia still didn't care about the lynch. I kind of agree with Vivax that GB not voting for the counter wagon -- while incredibly stupid, most likely makes him town. The only person from the "not taking a stance on lynch" by the eod was Slam who was swapping his votes after Kurumi started posting. I don't think that looks townie and i think Slam is the only person aside from the people who were on Kurumi and GB can actually be mafia.

I don't think either of Shockeyy and Grackaroni were reading either of Kurumi/GB mafia. I actually think Shockeyy tried to make people switch to Slam, i think that's minor town points for him. I kind of thought Grack has to be mafia based on him not wanting to do anything about the lynch, especially when his biggest scumread is voting for Kurumi the most obvious decision to make is to try make people vote for either Slam, or join the opposing wagon. However, i have zero understanding of why Grack continued like he did after D1. Basically if Grack is mafia, he built up a scumread on me all game jsut to throw it into the trash for whatever reason come D2??? I don't think that makes any sense at all from mafia perspective.

So GB goes to probably town pile and Grack goes to town pile, Shockeyy goes to possibly town pile and Slam is like ????? maybe scum?

The thing to note is that i still think there is a possibility of GB being mafia, just because FF suspected him, and while he writes a lot of posts pretty much everything he votes for is "because he didn't post in X amount of time" and i think that's super weak. Wasn't it for the eod i would definitely think GB is mafia and i don't think it's completely out of the possible universes that he is in fact mafia. Hell it's definitely in his range of mafia plays to even be mafia with Jock, or Slam.

Anyways the most likely answer based on the above there is, is that:
One of GB/Jock is mafia (my preference is Jock)
One of Slam/Shockeyy is mafia (prefer Slam)
Chezinu is mafia.

The problem i have with Slam is his read change with me and Shockeyy. I switched my vote from Jock to GB to Shockeyy to Kurumi. Sure Slam can think that somehow makes me mafia (it shouldn't), but for that he has some weird association that this ALSO makes Shockeyy town. I dont think he should ever have that association based on what i did. I think this is more likely trying to get Shockeyy back off from him, based on that at the point this happened there were two votes on him (aka possibility of him being lynched -- especially if Shockeyy and Grack are town as i assume if Slam is mafia). Furthermore if this was his genuine thought process i don't have a slightest clue why he changes his vote to vote WITH his biggest scumread rayn???? I know he voted GB in the end but at that point it probably didn't matter anymore and he shouldn't have voted for Kurumi in the first place at all if what he said before that was genuine.

I know some people are saying Jock is re-evaluating the game after the FF flip but i don't really see it. I honestly first thouhg Jock is town because why would he kill FF, his scumread (unless GB is mafia too -- but right now i don't expect that to be true). Just look at Jock's re-evaluation:
- First he says he needs to re-evaluate things because FF his scumread died
- He never evaluates GB, which is the first thing he should do
- The he says he need to reread Shockeyy because "a lot of alignments depend on Shockeyys" (i dont even understand why he thinks that because he never explains anything about it)
- But he doesn't really reread Shockeyy on any level, he just comes back with some random posts and says that Shockeyy is town because ??? and Koshi and Shockeyy are opposing alignments and because of a BAD post Shockeyy made on Koshi that could make him think Shockeyy actually could be mafia but without no investigation on that ever in the game he just ends up on Shockeyy being town again and Koshi being mafia.
- Basically he never re-evaluated anything and just ended up with whatever he had before the night kill. That's literally ALL his posts during D2 so basically he hasn't done anything lol...

Chezinu kind of always has to be mafia unless the mafia team is exactly Jock, Gb and Slam. But i don't think that's the most likely answer anyways. Noone is willing to even CONSIDER Chezinu as mafia aside from Vivax and Trfel (who are basically town anyways), so yeah.... I don't think not considering Chezinu mafia as mafia, if Chezinu is not, is a good play for mafia because he is probably almost a free lynch. So i think Chezinu has to be mafia.

##vote Chezinu

On May 04 2020 01:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:


He voted for you and was scum reading you in the beginning of the game. If some one read his posts, then they’d notice that FF was taken out N1 cause mafia was upset FF didn’t help take you out first and instead took Kurumi out, lines up with how upset Koshi got when Kurumi died instead of you GB.

Literally Koshi was the first person to vote for you, then FF, then towards the end of the day he switched Kurumi and died N1. If anything FF death was a mixture of things but I mainly think it was to frame us, and cause mafia was mad they didn’t get their GB kill cause of FF.

On May 04 2020 02:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:


I posted this earlier, but it deals with you being a strong town player, Koshi jumping on any easy trains he can form, and atm Trfel is still null. It seems like he’ll sheep Rayn based on D1 votes and discussions.

On May 04 2020 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I didnt say that, slam did. Ask him.

Vote you when? Last game he let ho of his scumread to vote NOT his scumread BUT his mafia partner under no pressure and he got lynched for it. I dont know why Jock does what he does when he is mafia and i dont really care even...

On May 03 2020 20:50 Koshi wrote:

All this has nothing to do with scumhunting but is all association and anthics based. Just read this....

Tje bolded is something ge keeps repeating and the craziest reasons seem to be ok to add to his narritive.

Why arent we both mafia anymore? Like slam and I easily could still be mafia together like he claimed before.

And maybe we can stilm both be mafia in his eyes but come on.... It's all so little thought through.

And the other reads in this post is just things happening. Nothing really convincinh why somebody is scum or not. It doesnt show this guy is critically thinking/searching for mafia.

On May 04 2020 02:15 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Btw idk if this matters, but I’m a mason. My brother stopped talking to me D1. So I don’t know who it is. Oh well.

On May 03 2020 23:17 Trfel wrote:
No, I don't want to lynch Koshi. Of the three people currently at two votes I would most want to lynch Jockmcplop I think. I should probably read his filter again.

And ShoCkeyy's too, for that matter. But I don't really want to vote with GlowingBear But maybe I should accept the possibility that I am wrong.

Bleh, confusing game hurts my head