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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
April 29 2020 22:43 GMT
#285
On April 30 2020 07:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2020 07:38 Vivax wrote:
On April 30 2020 07:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 30 2020 07:11 Vivax wrote:
On April 30 2020 07:06 Trfel wrote:
On April 29 2020 14:44 Vivax wrote:
I don't think there's much merit to Kurumi calling Trfel mafia just for the lazy thing. In my opinion, it's not worth reading too much into, but it was also too early to call Trfel town.

Rayn for one, is already saying 'Vivax will probably call me mafia for it', which implies he thinks I'm town. I'll skip the part of voting him for that because he'll just say 'good job' like last time that happened.

Rayn more or less tried to pull off what I did with Jock two games ago (who was mafia and pushed Trfel aggressively with flimsy reasons), though the circumstances are different. Then he said I should read him mafia for it, which doesn't make much sense considering he should know that I still remember that fact well.

And while I agree that Kurumi should know better than harping on Trfel's NAI posts, it's unfair to say he did that on his own after rayn led him to do that.

Summing it up:
It kind of feels like rayn here is trying to paint Kurumi mafia with the reasons I used on Jock, while trying to make me unable to call him mafia for it because he's emulating what we both did as town in the last games.

So yeah rayn, you are right I will call you mafia for it
And Trfel is mafia too, because right after he realized he should be scumreading you, he went and made a scum case on Kurumi in order to not have to.

##Unvote
##Vote rayn
Does anyone actually understand what Vivax is trying to say here? I keep reading this and can't understand it

No, I don't remember what reasons were used last game, the logic here feels so convoluted. I don't think that it makes Vivax mafia (I see no mafia motivation), I'm just really confused.

I'll be back in an hour or two to catch up on the rest of the thread.


In my head, I take full credit for dunking Jock trying to mislynch you in that one game.
And the reason I jumped at rayn here is because it felt like he was doing to Kurumi what I did to Jock...And expected me to call him mafia for it, which I didn't find believable.
It seems convoluted because it is.

i am not sure if i should play mafia.
I think rayn was doing something to someone, the same thing i did when i was town and it even worked!! But hey let's call rayn scum here because it's so convoluted!!! Because it is. True story guis, rayn is mafia lets murder him with fire.


Why did you expect me to call you mafia for what I did?

because you always do?


You're saying when I'm town I apply reasons I am typically town for to call others mafia?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
April 29 2020 23:02 GMT
#289
I thought you had a particular reason to expect me to call you mafia for there, but apparently you're saying you were expecting it because I always do, though I'd argue I tend to call everyone mafia at some point but drop it when I see a good reason to.

Fine. Back to other matters. I'm going to assume for a moment Trfel isn't mafia and look at Kurumi. I see he was kind of eager to jump into my arms, which bothers me a little. It also seems like rayn triggered him a bit, which I don't read too much into. Before I fast forward to his post though I need to know something.

Rayn, do you still think Kurumi is mafia?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
April 29 2020 23:46 GMT
#291
Without me believing that I was the reason he posted this, this post is actually pretty good.

On April 29 2020 14:01 Trfel wrote:
@Alakaslam and GlowingBear, thanks for answering my questions.
Anyway, I find Kurumi to be the most interesting person in the thread at the moment.
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:
On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:
On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:
On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?

Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days?


Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today

I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out.

So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about?


Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post.
Maybe a bit of stimulation will help.

##Vote: FF


I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead.
Super non-committal, zero followup. Saying it's "not bad" means he thinks there is something to it, but he didn't say another word on the subject in any of his posts. Yes, I know, Fecalfeast didn't post in that time so there was nothing new to discuss, but I still think that if Kurumi actually found Fecalfeast suspicious/interesting he would have mentioned it to others. Like later that same post:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:
On April 29 2020 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:
On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:
On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans.
Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before?


He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player.

shit i think we should kill him then


You want to butt heads, eh? What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game?
Why is he more interested in me making an excuse than the scumread he just said was decent? But that's what he chose to ask raynpelikoneet about.

And he never seemed to stop and question raynpelikoneet's alignment, or even find raynpelikoneet's response interesting. This I really don't get. Raynpelikoneet's play of hard defending someone early in the game for weak reasons (especially in Kurumi's view, for the exact same reason he is suspicious) should be seen as a terrible play. I'd think that would be at least worth mentioning. But all Kurumi cares about is a player who made an excuse, not the alignment of the person he's interacting with.

Doesn't feel right to me. Thoughts?


I'll skip the part where I know if rayn is scumreading him and just add Kurumi to the scummy pile. Also because of something in his biggish post I want to point out:

Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars.


This is a stretch.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
April 30 2020 00:41 GMT
#295
On April 30 2020 09:21 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2020 08:46 Vivax wrote:
Without me believing that I was the reason he posted this, this post is actually pretty good.

On April 29 2020 14:01 Trfel wrote:
@Alakaslam and GlowingBear, thanks for answering my questions.
Anyway, I find Kurumi to be the most interesting person in the thread at the moment.
On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:
On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:
On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:
On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?

Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days?


Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today

I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out.

So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about?


Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post.
Maybe a bit of stimulation will help.

##Vote: FF


I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead.
Super non-committal, zero followup. Saying it's "not bad" means he thinks there is something to it, but he didn't say another word on the subject in any of his posts. Yes, I know, Fecalfeast didn't post in that time so there was nothing new to discuss, but I still think that if Kurumi actually found Fecalfeast suspicious/interesting he would have mentioned it to others. Like later that same post:
On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:
On April 29 2020 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:
On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:
On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans.
Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before?


He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player.

shit i think we should kill him then


You want to butt heads, eh? What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game?
Why is he more interested in me making an excuse than the scumread he just said was decent? But that's what he chose to ask raynpelikoneet about.

And he never seemed to stop and question raynpelikoneet's alignment, or even find raynpelikoneet's response interesting. This I really don't get. Raynpelikoneet's play of hard defending someone early in the game for weak reasons (especially in Kurumi's view, for the exact same reason he is suspicious) should be seen as a terrible play. I'd think that would be at least worth mentioning. But all Kurumi cares about is a player who made an excuse, not the alignment of the person he's interacting with.

Doesn't feel right to me. Thoughts?


I'll skip the part where I know if rayn is scumreading him and just add Kurumi to the scummy pile. Also because of something in his biggish post I want to point out:

Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars.


This is a stretch.
I didn't post that because of anything related to you, I posted it because I wanted to post it.
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2020 09:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 30 2020 08:22 Trfel wrote:
On April 30 2020 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did you really see the light now Trfel? Like that post from Vivax explains everything?
I don't agree with it, no. But I think I understand it. Even if I think it's really silly.

explain please then.
Apparently, last game, I was an easy lynch target at the start of the game (fair enough I suppose, I tend to be). Jockmcplop (mafia) went after me, and the way he did so had some flaws so Vivax (town) was able to push him and lynch him.

In this game, I made an excuse so that's easy for mafia to jump on. Kurumi went after it, and Vivax sees you jumping on him as the same thing.

It kinda makes sense? Except that it's not scummy for you to push something at the start of the game, especially when the reason for suspecting it is successful meta. And it's not true that "meta" makes it unable to pressure you for the push.


Well, you forgot the 'he's going to call me mafia for this' part.
Which now I think he claims is something he said because I do it every game, not because of something he posted. Though I'd like confirmation on this because rayn didn't really confirm if that's how it went.

Dunno, maybe I actually had a stroke of genius when making that post, but looking back at it, I worded it badly.

I did expect rayn to be trying to do some kind of reverse mind trick when saying I was going to call him mafia. Similar to his 'scumslip' in holy guardians where afterwards he acted like he did it on purpose.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
April 30 2020 00:44 GMT
#296
Yeah could do with a Shockeyy vote if he doesn't deliver more.
Maybe I'm looking at active people too much? As mafia I'd probably play like Shockeyy, without pressure. And his reason for voting Koshi is meh.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
April 30 2020 12:05 GMT
#367
Chez' channeling of his inner troll feels blander than usual, and Shockeyys vote is just crappy. Then again can't tell if they're just not being bad townies.

Kurumi are you still 100% scum, nevertown on Trfel?Because your argument that he was lying just because he posted more than he promised still runs on thin ice (yeah that's not your only one but one you should probably backtrack on, if you're town).
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
April 30 2020 12:19 GMT
#369
On April 30 2020 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2020 05:39 Vivax wrote:
On April 30 2020 05:35 Koshi wrote:
GB:
Silly questions
No waves
Bit unfunny oncomfortable gif
Comes out of lurk to devour poor green jock
Excuses to continue lurk


i lol'd

Rayn what's the really dumb thing Jock did?

The whole voting Koshi then unvoting and every piece of it for shit reasons.


Rayn I'm not too convinced by this reasoning for your vote here.
What makes you sure he wasn't legit joking/making a play there when he added the smiley at the end? I'm not.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
April 30 2020 12:38 GMT
#372
FF laughing at his own mistakes feels townie.
Well played if scum. Revisiting at a later day.

GB not seeing it and calling him scum for shitposting is kinda bad. Makes me feel less good about my Jock vote together with rayn being too comfy with it as well.

Dunno, maybe I should just yolo Shockeyy.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
April 30 2020 12:40 GMT
#373
On April 30 2020 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2020 21:19 Vivax wrote:
On April 30 2020 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 30 2020 05:39 Vivax wrote:
On April 30 2020 05:35 Koshi wrote:
GB:
Silly questions
No waves
Bit unfunny oncomfortable gif
Comes out of lurk to devour poor green jock
Excuses to continue lurk


i lol'd

Rayn what's the really dumb thing Jock did?

The whole voting Koshi then unvoting and every piece of it for shit reasons.


Rayn I'm not too convinced by this reasoning for your vote here.
What makes you sure he wasn't legit joking/making a play there when he added the smiley at the end? I'm not.

Because he said he wasn't joking.


The whole pompousness of the post with the alas suggests otherwise to me, but I'd need Jock to say what it actually was. I can only guess.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
April 30 2020 12:45 GMT
#376
On April 30 2020 11:16 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I only voted Koshi to put more pressure on him after that opening, especially if it was going to be two votes already. I thought it would of been obvious. I already explained my reasoning why I thought it was a Koshi mafia opening.


Are you serious?A pressure vote on Koshi who was freely posting anyway? Because you thought it was a mafia opening? Can't be one AND the other.

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##Unvote
##Vote: Shockeyy
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
April 30 2020 12:52 GMT
#378
On April 30 2020 21:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi wasn't freely posting when Shockeyy voted for him tbh. He only started after Shockeyys vote.


Shockeys explanation doesn't seem real to me. He had him as scum after one post.

On April 30 2020 00:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So far I have Slam, Koshi, and Kurumi on my possibly mafia list.


Then afterwards he says it was just a pressure vote. If you think someone made a scummy entrance, how do you go to saying it was just a pressure vote?

And you're saying Koshi posted just because of Shockeyys vote, or what is the point you are trying to make here?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
April 30 2020 13:03 GMT
#380
On April 30 2020 21:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am trying to make a point that if Shockeyy wants to pressure vote Koshi or thinks his entrance was scummy timeline-wise it makes sense. Koshi wasn't posting other than his opening -> Shockeyy votes. Koshi starts posting -> Shockeyy unvotes. I am not saying Koshi started posting just because Shockeyy voted for him lol.


So where do you see Shockeyy townreading Koshi after saying his entrance was scummy?
Because I would expect Shockeyy to at least say "oh, I thought his entrance was scummy, and I pressured him, but then he posted this which made me think he was town".

And not just "Entrance looks like mafia. He posted something. Ergo he's not mafia"
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
April 30 2020 13:19 GMT
#383
On April 30 2020 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't see why he has to townread Koshi? He just has to think he is maybe not mafia anymore.


Look, Shockeyy said Koshi reminded him of an entrance Koshi did in a game where they were scum together, IIRC.
That's already not the way you call someone mafia with the intent of having him scumread by others.
So that already leaves a hole.

What I'm missing here is Shockeyys entire thought process between him scumreading Koshi and then unscumreading him.

If you have any idea what that could be, I'd like to hear it.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
April 30 2020 14:02 GMT
#390
On April 30 2020 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax whats your opinion on Grackaroni?


He mentions Fefe poking Shockeyy lazily for his Koshi vote, which is actually nice from Fefe from where I'm at.

From Fefe:
Dislike rayns post on kurumi and i like kurumi so far

Shockckckckckeyyyy why is it a koshi mafia entrance and why did it take until jock voted for you to vote


Though it's kind of strange he jumps to a team of you and FF based on what he is reading in that post, where Fefe is actually disliking your post, so sort of agreeing with Grack?

Feels like he's missing some line of thoughts here he should be having, and a team of you+ff shouldn't make too much sense based on what's in his post, but that's not enough for me to call him mafia for rn.
I'd like to know what he thinks about Shockeyy.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
April 30 2020 14:22 GMT
#394
On April 30 2020 23:04 Koshi wrote:
If people dont know why it is mafia:

45%) He is not looking for mafia.
30%) It is hard to freally give good reads when you are mafia not bothering to indepth read.
20%) It keeps his options open on all other players
5%) After we lynch GB there is no information in his filter.


What do you mean he's not looking for mafia? He has Slam and Jock as his scumleans, pretty obviously.

His thought process on Kurumi also feels genuine. With Kurumi calling out Trfel after GB did, ie the mindmeld.

Sure, he isn't putting in the super work, but he's also ill. So right now it looks more like you are pushing him at all costs while he can't play optimally.

What are your other reads Koshi?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
April 30 2020 14:34 GMT
#399
On April 30 2020 23:30 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2020 11:04 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 30 2020 10:51 Alakaslam wrote:
On April 30 2020 10:49 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 30 2020 00:03 Kurumi wrote:
Slam, everyone, please don't spam post, it really doesn't help.

I decided to make a list for summary's sake and that we hopefully don't miss out something later.

No contribution so far:

Grackaroni (posted, but it is literally an introduction post and a youtube-link post)
Fecalfeast (admitted to not reading the thread)
Koshi (no posts at all)
Jockmcplop (no posts at all)
Chezinu (but talking Chezinu and contributing is a whole can of worms)


Low-effort/medium activity


Shockeyy (claims town and wanting to lead it, pings me through quoting Vivax, scumreads Alakaslam, notes that Trfel has played games back-to-back and understands their desire to be lazy)
Alakaslam (notes the cop-outs, pings me, claimed town, seemingly agrees with me, Vivax, torn about Trfel anyway)
GlowingBear (pings Vivax, then votes them without providing more reasoning, interacts with Trfel on basis of past games, although seemingly agrees with me, is interested in how Trfel is going to play)

Funnily enough, if someone were to put a gun to my head right now, I'd say all three are Town. That only means I at this moment lean Town more on them than Scum and it's flimsy enough to flip fast. If I were to pick the strongest town feel out of these three, it would be Slam because I liked him noticing the cop-outs and well, I like that he seems to agree with me

Active

Vivax (pinged me, wanted to interact with people and did, pressured Fecalfeast through a vote on good reasoning after I asked for who I should be looking into, most importantly, came to the exact same conclusions I have right now.)
Kurumi


Trfel
raynpelikoneet


I have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will.

And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting?

On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote:
-snip-

However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious.


Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool.

So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy.

##vote Trfel

+ Show Spoiler [unofficial votecount] +


Fecalfeast - 0
Vivax

raynpelikoneet - 1
Vivax

Vivax - 1
GlowingBear


This is the best post in thread and Kurumi is top town. There is no way scum would put so much effort while also mindmelding with me in the beginning of the game.

Only issue is there is a way. Scum can be badass

But yeah Kurumi top town for me as well.


I hardly believe Kurumi is mafia here. I would be surprised.

He has no scumread on slam except a notion slam is wishy washy somewhere. After that nothing towards slam to find out his alignment but chitchat. Like the above.


Yeah, maybe he didn't call slam mafia outright, but that's what I read this post as:

On April 30 2020 10:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2020 06:39 Kurumi wrote:
On April 29 2020 06:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game?

so why did you ask me about this?


Sorry I'm responding this late, got a call from a friend.

Well, I got all bad vibes from this and wanted another pair of eyes on this. Someone declaring at the start of the game that they're going to be lazy feels like a setup for a future cop-out for why they're not putting the effort in.


This is exactly what I thought. This post makes me think Kurumi is town.

Show nested quote +
On April 29 2020 09:45 Alakaslam wrote:
On April 29 2020 04:47 Trfel wrote:
Alakaslam, I assume by cop-outs you mean excuses?

And if so, what (if anything) do you make of them?

Meh, NAI but also unnecessary. Just kinda bad. I cant always be here, I don’t have to go on and on about my daily teaching schedule or coronavirus actually making me busier and whatnot. I just show up when I can. Because I’m town, and therefore dont give a shit what people think.


I don't like this post from Slam, this "I'm town and therefore dont give a shit what people think" seems forced.

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On April 29 2020 14:01 Trfel wrote:
@Alakaslam and GlowingBear, thanks for answering my questions.
Anyway, I find Kurumi to be the most interesting person in the thread at the moment.
On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:
On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:
On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:
On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?

Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days?


Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today

I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out.

So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about?


Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post.
Maybe a bit of stimulation will help.

##Vote: FF


I see. Thanks. That's not a bad lead.
Super non-committal, zero followup. Saying it's "not bad" means he thinks there is something to it, but he didn't say another word on the subject in any of his posts. Yes, I know, Fecalfeast didn't post in that time so there was nothing new to discuss, but I still think that if Kurumi actually found Fecalfeast suspicious/interesting he would have mentioned it to others. Like later that same post:
On April 29 2020 05:48 Kurumi wrote:
On April 29 2020 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:
On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:
On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans.
Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before?


He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player.

shit i think we should kill him then


You want to butt heads, eh? What do you make out of Trfel declaring to be lazy at the start of the game?
Why is he more interested in me making an excuse than the scumread he just said was decent? But that's what he chose to ask raynpelikoneet about.

And he never seemed to stop and question raynpelikoneet's alignment, or even find raynpelikoneet's response interesting. This I really don't get. Raynpelikoneet's play of hard defending someone early in the game for weak reasons (especially in Kurumi's view, for the exact same reason he is suspicious) should be seen as a terrible play. I'd think that would be at least worth mentioning. But all Kurumi cares about is a player who made an excuse, not the alignment of the person he's interacting with.

Doesn't feel right to me. Thoughts?


I disagree, Kurumi has committed to the "bad vibes" he had from you, and his thought process is well displayed on the thread. The only part I agree with is that Kurumi didn't question rayn's alignment, but I don't see it as alignment indicative in the early game.


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On April 29 2020 15:17 Alakaslam wrote:
Stuff getting really strangely simple. Like straight up people make excuse = they is scum.

If Vivax is right.

But it is funny, Trfel being more active than anyone else post excuse has me feeling townie on him even though it literally points scummier than before. Like, my head and my gut disagree


Another post from Slam that isn't contributive at all. Just a "could be or couldn't be".

Okay, I'm on page 8, I'll post this and continue

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
April 30 2020 14:44 GMT
#411
On April 30 2020 23:39 Koshi wrote:
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On April 30 2020 23:22 Vivax wrote:
On April 30 2020 23:04 Koshi wrote:
If people dont know why it is mafia:

45%) He is not looking for mafia.
30%) It is hard to freally give good reads when you are mafia not bothering to indepth read.
20%) It keeps his options open on all other players
5%) After we lynch GB there is no information in his filter.


What do you mean he's not looking for mafia? He has Slam and Jock as his scumleans, pretty obviously.

His thought process on Kurumi also feels genuine. With Kurumi calling out Trfel after GB did, ie the mindmeld.

Sure, he isn't putting in the super work, but he's also ill. So right now it looks more like you are pushing him at all costs while he can't play optimally.

What are your other reads Koshi?

This is a fucking pathetic post by you Vivax and I will remeber this post for the rest of the game.

Bullshit upon bullshit upon bullshit


Did I trigger you because I don't agree with you on GB when you try to condense your case on him into comedic points that then turn out to be untrue?

Well, then you might be mafia. I'm pretty chill.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
April 30 2020 14:50 GMT
#416
Okay then, let's tone it down a little here, get out of your tunnels, because I need you in mine.

Koshi why do you think that what GB is doing is worse than what Shockey is doing?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
April 30 2020 14:56 GMT
#418
I'd prefer if GB just gave an update regarding slam instead of me doing the legwork for him.

On April 29 2020 05:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2020 05:35 Vivax wrote:
On April 29 2020 05:32 Kurumi wrote:
On April 29 2020 05:24 Vivax wrote:
You aren't in a self-deprecating mood during lockdown?

Snorting the blow on livestream like in the good ol' days?


Just felt like trying to feign confidence to myself to actually become confident is a good course of action today

I still have Charlie Sheen (Kurumi) as my default nickname on zoom, it turns out.

So, Vivax. Anyone in this game you're worried about?


Maybe Fefe, but not for much more other than that he went off lurking after appearing so eager to post.
Maybe a bit of stimulation will help.

##Vote: FF


This post is bad and you should feel bad for it.


And explain why he scumread me for this maybe. I didn't pay too much attention to it earlier but I'm kinda curious now.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
April 30 2020 15:00 GMT
#421
Holy fuck Koshi was right.

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