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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 30 2020 09:00 GMT
#361
Well Tfrel is never mafia.

Feels like town has a lot of different reads.

Still not happy about GB. His chain of posts was not good enough to not scumread him.

Shockey same. Maybe even less than GB. Defended his vote against me and then just ignored my entire existence. Feels like mafia keeping all options open to park his vote.


Grack was interesting. But I can't do anything with him or the info he gave. Not yet.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 30 2020 09:01 GMT
#362
@Tfrel: I can't vote people who type many words on D1 over people that type little meaningless posts. I pick the most scummy one out of the last group.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 30 2020 13:57 GMT
#387
On April 30 2020 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also also.... I feel like GB is just saying stuff for sake of saying stuff. Like in almost all of his posts he declares why noone can ever think Kurumi is mafia and how Kurumi is 100% town but he has no indication of trying to ever figure out anything about the people who disagree with him

QFvisablity
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 30 2020 14:01 GMT
#389
I quoted it so people read it twice. One of the reasons why GB is mafia. The goddamn Kurumi is town fixation.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 30 2020 14:04 GMT
#391
If people dont know why it is mafia:

45%) He is not looking for mafia.
30%) It is hard to freally give good reads when you are mafia not bothering to indepth read.
20%) It keeps his options open on all other players
5%) After we lynch GB there is no information in his filter.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 30 2020 14:22 GMT
#393
We can shennanies to Shockey on deadline. We will see what happens.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 30 2020 14:27 GMT
#395
On April 30 2020 23:22 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2020 23:04 Koshi wrote:
If people dont know why it is mafia:

45%) He is not looking for mafia.
30%) It is hard to freally give good reads when you are mafia not bothering to indepth read.
20%) It keeps his options open on all other players
5%) After we lynch GB there is no information in his filter.


What do you mean he's not looking for mafia? He has Slam and Jock as his scumleans, pretty obviously.

His thought process on Kurumi also feels genuine. With Kurumi calling out Trfel after GB did, ie the mindmeld.

Sure, he isn't putting in the super work, but he's also ill. So right now it looks more like you are pushing him at all costs while he can't play optimally.

What are your other reads Koshi?

The jock scumread is pathetic. GB said that Jock said his vote was serieus and then backtracked that his vote was a joke.

That is either:
Misreading as mafia because you are not paying attention.
Misrepresenting as mafia.
Misreading so gravely as town that it is punishable by lynch.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 30 2020 14:30 GMT
#397
On April 30 2020 11:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2020 10:51 Alakaslam wrote:
On April 30 2020 10:49 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 30 2020 00:03 Kurumi wrote:
Slam, everyone, please don't spam post, it really doesn't help.

I decided to make a list for summary's sake and that we hopefully don't miss out something later.

No contribution so far:

Grackaroni (posted, but it is literally an introduction post and a youtube-link post)
Fecalfeast (admitted to not reading the thread)
Koshi (no posts at all)
Jockmcplop (no posts at all)
Chezinu (but talking Chezinu and contributing is a whole can of worms)


Low-effort/medium activity


Shockeyy (claims town and wanting to lead it, pings me through quoting Vivax, scumreads Alakaslam, notes that Trfel has played games back-to-back and understands their desire to be lazy)
Alakaslam (notes the cop-outs, pings me, claimed town, seemingly agrees with me, Vivax, torn about Trfel anyway)
GlowingBear (pings Vivax, then votes them without providing more reasoning, interacts with Trfel on basis of past games, although seemingly agrees with me, is interested in how Trfel is going to play)

Funnily enough, if someone were to put a gun to my head right now, I'd say all three are Town. That only means I at this moment lean Town more on them than Scum and it's flimsy enough to flip fast. If I were to pick the strongest town feel out of these three, it would be Slam because I liked him noticing the cop-outs and well, I like that he seems to agree with me

Active

Vivax (pinged me, wanted to interact with people and did, pressured Fecalfeast through a vote on good reasoning after I asked for who I should be looking into, most importantly, came to the exact same conclusions I have right now.)
Kurumi


Trfel
raynpelikoneet


I have no idea with which one of these two I should start. There's an obvious triangle between them and me - with them defending each-other and pushing me, but pushing me so lightly that they don't even commit to a vote. And they do all this for me JUST pinging Trfel. Never called Trfel scum. Never voted Trfel. That's a misrepresentation. But the moment I mention Trfel to rayn, he believes that Trfel has shown "effort" (they did not, as I outlined in a post of mine). After this, rayn declares I should be suspicious of him because of his defense of Trfel - to which I have replied already as well. I was. I know that rayn tunnel-visions a lot, but the play he's shown this game is outright bogus to me. Trfel says one thing and then does the opposite. Which is, by definition, lying. You might have a good guess how I feel about liars. Rayn goes on saying that I'm illogically pushing Trfel for this, as if nothing Trfel would've done would change my attitude towards them. So here's what I can give on this front: if Trfel were truthful to their game-opening declaration, they'd be suspicious to me. BUT they would not be read as scum to me simply because of lack of information. Given how all this turned out, I believe Trfel to be scum. They go as far as literally reiterating rayn's previous point he made to me about how I should be suspicious of rayn and me not being suspicious of rayn is scummy. They also misrepresent me as saying "I'm gonna meta read everyone like crazy" which is wildly untrue. I expressed DOUBTS whether I can do that. Not that I can and will.

And you know what's the best thing ever in Trfel's posting?

On April 29 2020 10:40 Trfel wrote:
-snip-

However, I was mostly joking, to see people's reactions. It clearly wouldn't make much sense for me to try and give an excuse at the start of the game when I easily could have done so a few hours before. With the one caveat being that I tend to be a lower page-count player these past few games/years, I try to be more efficient with my posts, and I think it's been working fairly well. I just know some people tend to view that as suspicious.


Amazing backpedal. So your plan from the start of the game was claim to be lazy and then call the first person to call you out scum? Because "mostly joking"? So not only you've lied about "being lazy" this game through your gameplay after I put some heat on you, you also admit it outright? Cool.

So, the only reason I'm voting Trfel over raynpelikoneet really is that I think Trfel has a role. I'd rather have a scum-with-role dead than a vanilla scum dead. Easy? Easy.

##vote Trfel

+ Show Spoiler [unofficial votecount] +


Fecalfeast - 0
Vivax

raynpelikoneet - 1
Vivax

Vivax - 1
GlowingBear


This is the best post in thread and Kurumi is top town. There is no way scum would put so much effort while also mindmelding with me in the beginning of the game.

Only issue is there is a way. Scum can be badass

But yeah Kurumi top town for me as well.


I hardly believe Kurumi is mafia here. I would be surprised.

He has no scumread on slam except a notion slam is wishy washy somewhere. After that nothing towards slam to find out his alignment but chitchat. Like the above.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 30 2020 14:31 GMT
#398
So why are you saying GB has a slam scumread????
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 30 2020 14:36 GMT
#401
On April 29 2020 10:17 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2020 06:59 Trfel wrote:
On April 29 2020 05:20 Kurumi wrote:
On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:
On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans.
Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before?


The only people I believe I have not played with are Shockeyy, Jockmcplop and Grackaroni. I believe we have played together (maybe even on a scum team?), I have played lots with rayn, Vivax, Koshi, Chezinu and probably Alakaslam could go into that category as well. So Fecalfeast, Trfel (you) and GlowingBear are people I should've played already but my meta judgement would be seriously impractical here.

On April 29 2020 05:04 Vivax wrote:
On April 29 2020 05:02 Trfel wrote:
On April 29 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:
On April 29 2020 04:41 Trfel wrote:
On April 29 2020 04:36 Kurumi wrote:
Hi guys, it's been a while. Hope my memory and skills can still be used for some meta shenanigans.
Out of curiosity, how many of the people in this game have you played with before?


He played with me and rayn for sure. Kurumi is a vet, and a sneaky ass mafia player.
I know he's played a bunch before, I've seen him around a bit before (forget where).

The reason I ask is that he said he will be trying to make some meta reads, I'm curious if that's going to be based on previous game experience or if he intends on filter diving past games of unfamiliar players or what.


I'm not a fan of that approach. Especially after not playing for so long.


I agree Vivax! Actually, if I were in a self-deprecating mood I'd probably state outright that I don't feel meta-competent right now.
Fair enough, I didn't realize it was that many players. Thanks for explaining!
On April 29 2020 05:26 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 29 2020 04:37 Trfel wrote:
Hi all

In-game excuse, I'm going to be a bit lazy this game. Also more likely to be active late evening (PDT).


No Trfel, you're either effortful or mafia.
You hosted last game, where I was lazy and town?

Come to think of it, GlowingBear, what do you think about Vivax's alignment?


I don't think you were lazy at all. You started being lazy towards the end game, and that's when people started believing you're mafia. But you had an outstanding day1.

Vivax is MAFIA and I'm voting him
##Vote: Vivax

You meant that gif??? That is not a mindmeld. That is seeing somebody made a good post and react on that. GB talked with tfrel and this was the result, a vote on you.

Like Tfrel directly asked GB about his comment and GB deflected it and voted you without reasoning. Without trying to help Tfrel form a real read on you.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 30 2020 14:37 GMT
#403
On April 30 2020 23:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2020 23:27 Koshi wrote:
On April 30 2020 23:22 Vivax wrote:
On April 30 2020 23:04 Koshi wrote:
If people dont know why it is mafia:

45%) He is not looking for mafia.
30%) It is hard to freally give good reads when you are mafia not bothering to indepth read.
20%) It keeps his options open on all other players
5%) After we lynch GB there is no information in his filter.


What do you mean he's not looking for mafia? He has Slam and Jock as his scumleans, pretty obviously.

His thought process on Kurumi also feels genuine. With Kurumi calling out Trfel after GB did, ie the mindmeld.

Sure, he isn't putting in the super work, but he's also ill. So right now it looks more like you are pushing him at all costs while he can't play optimally.

What are your other reads Koshi?

The jock scumread is pathetic. GB said that Jock said his vote was serieus and then backtracked that his vote was a joke.

That is either:
Misreading as mafia because you are not paying attention.
Misrepresenting as mafia.
Misreading so gravely as town that it is punishable by lynch.


Koshi, that's not how I read Jock as mafia.
He came to the thread, saw Shockeyy opening with a bad meta read on your opening post that only he could see, then Jock came to the thread and placed a vote on you like that was a joke. Then FF asked him why he was voting you. He then said he genuinely thought you are mafia (WHY?) and decided to unvote.

This is clearly, for me, a mafia that decided to leave a vote on a wagon without thinking much but when pressured to say anything about it, didn't have any reasons and decided to backtrack.

Now, I would understand if he just said "I was joking" or "I was just pressuring", but he said he "genuinely" thought you were mafia, which doesn't make sense from a town perspective. WHY would he unvote just because someone asked his opinon? What was so glaringly town from you at that time that made him unvote???

Sarcasm is hard to spot as mafia. This has been proven.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 30 2020 14:38 GMT
#404
On April 30 2020 23:36 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, why are you so eager to defend Jock from a lynch and to call me mafia for reasons that doesn't make me mafia, Koshi?

Tell me why Jock is so fucking town to you.

Who the fuck cares what Jock is to me.

This is you trying to discredit me by me having to proof Jock is town.

BUT JOKE IS ON YOU. I dont have to proof shit.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 30 2020 14:39 GMT
#406
On April 30 2020 23:22 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2020 23:04 Koshi wrote:
If people dont know why it is mafia:

45%) He is not looking for mafia.
30%) It is hard to freally give good reads when you are mafia not bothering to indepth read.
20%) It keeps his options open on all other players
5%) After we lynch GB there is no information in his filter.


What do you mean he's not looking for mafia? He has Slam and Jock as his scumleans, pretty obviously.

His thought process on Kurumi also feels genuine. With Kurumi calling out Trfel after GB did, ie the mindmeld.

Sure, he isn't putting in the super work, but he's also ill. So right now it looks more like you are pushing him at all costs while he can't play optimally.

What are your other reads Koshi?

This is a fucking pathetic post by you Vivax and I will remeber this post for the rest of the game.

Bullshit upon bullshit upon bullshit
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 30 2020 14:40 GMT
#407
On April 30 2020 23:39 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2020 23:31 Koshi wrote:
So why are you saying GB has a slam scumread????


Because I have? You would know if you ACTUALLY READ MY FILTER before throwing any suspicions on me.

PROOF IT
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 30 2020 14:45 GMT
#413
You dont have Slam as a scumread. Merely mentioned him being wishy washy. That is just an observation. Nothing more at all.

Your jock scumread was teiggered by jock doing something super dumb which looked mafia. So you went for the safe jump on jock without thinking twice.

You are not trying to solve this game enough to call you town or to leave you alive.

You make no waves at all. You voted Vivax and it had 0.0000% impact. No explanation no nothing.

You call rayn town and it had 0.000% impact on the game. No explanation no nothing.

Early game you claim to have the same suspicion of tfrel as kurumi, hence the townread, yet when you talk to Tfrel there is absolutely nothing there to support that claim. You backed off from the conversation
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 30 2020 14:46 GMT
#414
On April 30 2020 23:44 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2020 23:39 Koshi wrote:
On April 30 2020 23:22 Vivax wrote:
On April 30 2020 23:04 Koshi wrote:
If people dont know why it is mafia:

45%) He is not looking for mafia.
30%) It is hard to freally give good reads when you are mafia not bothering to indepth read.
20%) It keeps his options open on all other players
5%) After we lynch GB there is no information in his filter.


What do you mean he's not looking for mafia? He has Slam and Jock as his scumleans, pretty obviously.

His thought process on Kurumi also feels genuine. With Kurumi calling out Trfel after GB did, ie the mindmeld.

Sure, he isn't putting in the super work, but he's also ill. So right now it looks more like you are pushing him at all costs while he can't play optimally.

What are your other reads Koshi?

This is a fucking pathetic post by you Vivax and I will remeber this post for the rest of the game.

Bullshit upon bullshit upon bullshit


Did I trigger you because I don't agree with you on GB when you try to condense your case on him into comedic points that then turn out to be untrue?

Well, then you might be mafia. I'm pretty chill.

My points are very true.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 30 2020 14:49 GMT
#415
GB I vote for you for these reasons. I have been wrong more than I have been right in the past without doubt so Indont expect this to be a 100% done deal at all.


But you have done enough mafia like things to warrant a vote and have not done enough townie things.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 30 2020 14:52 GMT
#417
On April 30 2020 23:50 Vivax wrote:
Okay then, let's tone it down a little here, get out of your tunnels, because I need you in mine.

Koshi why do you think that what GB is doing is worse than what Shockey is doing?

Show me where he scumreads slam. If you cant I will not play this game till he is voted out.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 30 2020 15:46 GMT
#449
On April 29 2020 23:47 Jockmcplop wrote:
alakaslam:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 29 2020 10:09 Alakaslam wrote:
Gonna have to side with Kurumi on the logic train. Defend yourself, not others, even when scum. Because it be scummy until the town begins wearing trousers on their head. Then defense the ally.

On April 29 2020 15:17 Alakaslam wrote:
Stuff getting really strangely simple. Like straight up people make excuse = they is scum.

If Vivax is right.

But it is funny, Trfel being more active than anyone else post excuse has me feeling townie on him even though it literally points scummier than before. Like, my head and my gut disagree


I find these posts pretty scummy, like you want to agree with Kurumi but then want to back out for some reason.

You seem so sure in one post and unsure in the next. Kurumi's logic train very much had to do with his suspicions on trfel and you seemed sure about it but then next thing you're like "yeah but maybe not." and that's it.

Also, Kurumi's logic, I pointed out above why its bad logic. On the one hand, he says that all trfel has done is ask questions, but trfel's questions brought more information into the thread, which Kurumi says is 'never bad'. I don't think Kurumi is using consistent scumhunting logic here in going after trfel.


Read this post and the 3 posts under it.

1) Shade on Kurumi and Slam
2) React on shockey about the 1 read in shockey list he didnt mention. (Consistent)
3) Good longer post that is easy to understand. Doubting the tfrel and rayn read together by Kurumi
4) Attack on kurumi which is brave as mafia as kurumi was gathering followers. Looks a lot like town bravure going after his scumread.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 30 2020 15:48 GMT
#450
In jock his filter. 4 good posts in a row. Consistent with how he thinks. Nu bullshit oneliners gathered from all parts of the thread.

Jock is valued way above GB, Shockey, Slam and Chezinu. Lynching him for making an obvious albeit stupid joke vote is ridiculous.
I had a good night of sleep.
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