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Btw Rels, why do you think Chez is confirmed town?
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On March 31 2020 02:16 Trfel wrote:
We waited so long, for this?
Honestly I'm quite disappointed. Very happy to kill [UoN]Sentinel after that.
Voting to consolidate. Still don't like Palmar.
On March 31 2020 02:48 Trfel wrote:
So little activity going into the deadline, makes me so uneasy...
@Rayn: tell me why this is not worse than Rels not bringing a case.
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On April 03 2020 00:52 Palmar wrote:
Actually fuck it, I'm changing my mind.
Trfel has a 4 page filter
Rels has a 9 page filter
I'm voting Trfel
This is a good case.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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On April 03 2020 00:54 Palmar wrote:
Also, Rels's day 1 entrance was much less forced than Trfel's. There's a certain stiffness in Trfel's tone that just sounds off.
Palmar, just read the quotes I've brought from Trfel and there's nothing more compelling than that
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Are we really discussing that point?
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On April 03 2020 01:11 Palmar wrote:
I don't know what is the correct play.
To accept Trfel is town I have to believe he's lazy, and incredibly bad at mafia. No one spends this much effort being wrong in mafia game.
But then again, if he's mafia why does he think it's a bright idea to just hammer a post full of bullshit after another full of bullshit my way.
Palmar, I don't think Trfel has been lazy day2. But I believe he is putting effort because he knows this could possibly make me and LS townread him.
But it's just effort for the sake of town cred. See, you were his top scum. Naturally, he would be trying to convince us you're Mafia here and go full throttle against you. But the moment someone brings suspicions on Rels, voila, there's a post commenting that Rels might be Mafia but in not sure oops
He's never bold anytime in this game. He didn't want to lunch Sentinel day2 until he was certainly the lynch. But he even tried to WIFOM town ("i'm feeling uneasy" post) near deadline, possibly expecting me or LS to make another shenanigans.
He's never, ever, trying to lead a lynch on anyone. He is always on the background. He says a lot of things but does not stick to them.
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In other words, it's not about putting effort in being wrong, it's putting effort in sterile things. He doesn't think Rels is Mafia? Why is he putting effort in reinforcing the suspicions?
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I guess we already know who should be the lynch.
Although I want Rels to flip red very badly
##Unvote
##Vote: Trfel
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On April 03 2020 01:53 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2020 01:46 Palmar wrote:On April 03 2020 01:18 Rels wrote:On April 01 2020 06:13 Chezinu wrote:
Look and behold, I saw a bright beam of light. I gazed at it's frequency and felt the vibrations that hummed:
Rels wanted to lynch Trfel over Sentinel, waited for Palmar, Palmar said nothing new to what he said before.
Rels promised to write a case on Trfel. He didn't follow up, and after Sentinel flip the only case he provided is reasoned on because Sentinel was mafia.
ggnore oh actually that is this Chez case This is a surprisingly townie post. this is townie too lol. I would expect you to continue preparing my lynch tomorrow if you're scum
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On April 03 2020 02:05 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2020 22:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Trfel, I've read all you've posted except for LS. If LS is mafia, he won the game. He's based town for me and I'm sure he will be the night kill tonight.
About Rels: Half of your case is assuming mafia would bus and his vote on Sentinel proves he is mafia. The second half is that Rels isn't really inspiring in this game and is parroting people, not really bringing lots of original thoughts. This I agree and was the reason I was wary of him.
About Palmar: Most of your points can be applied to anyone. 4th point is associative and it could be applied to me, for instance, that decided to switch from my top scumread to a townread (100% bad play). Not explaining too much of his reads isn't a mafia trait, he just said what he thinks and I find that pretty genuine. I also prefer not to say much, one liners are enough. He keeps saying "keep the game simple" and he is doing that.
The only point I think you can be right is being uninterested. That could come from both alignments anyway.
Now, I'm not saying Palmar couldn't be mafia. I'm saying these points aren't really convincing me. You know what does make me think Palmar could be mafia? Sentinel trying to have me lynched instead of Palmar.
I would be lynching you today, although I like that you're trying and if you are town, it wouldn't be the first time I was dumb enough to not see it. But Chez made me want to believe Rels is mafia and I think it's fun. If the flips red I'll always follow the House of Brown. Rels' vote on [UoN]Sentinel doesn't prove he is mafia, I literally said it's a wash. AKA I can't discern anything from it. Why would town ever not explain their reads? Especially to the degree that Palmar has been? I don't understand.
In short, not all associations are equal. But I have also discussed those already, I'd be happy to discuss other things as well. I think the most suspicious thing in Rels' filter is how he switches from Palmar to [UoN]Sentinel on Day 2. Obviously this is extremely suspect given [UoN]Sentinel's alignment, but also makes no sense on its own (look at the way he does it, not just the fact that he did). To me it feels fake. He dropped his vote for (IMO) suspect reasons* and voted for his #2 suspect over his #1 suspect for no reason.
Isn't this associative read, Trfel?
I think Palmar is explaining, but in one liners.
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On April 03 2020 02:12 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2020 01:20 GlowingBear wrote:
In other words, it's not about putting effort in being wrong, it's putting effort in sterile things. He doesn't think Rels is Mafia? Why is he putting effort in reinforcing the suspicions? I'm not putting in effort to make other people suspect Rels, I'm trying to figure out Rels' alignment. I posted a large case on Palmar with quality content to persuade people to lynch Palmar instead of Rels. PLEASE stop with this nonsense.
I'm sorry if you're town, Trfel, I just really can't see it. I understand what you're saying here, but I don't believe it.
If I am wrong, at least I'll understand it's a meta thing. Please don't be frustrated
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On April 03 2020 02:17 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2020 02:12 GlowingBear wrote:On April 03 2020 02:05 Trfel wrote:On April 02 2020 22:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Trfel, I've read all you've posted except for LS. If LS is mafia, he won the game. He's based town for me and I'm sure he will be the night kill tonight.
About Rels: Half of your case is assuming mafia would bus and his vote on Sentinel proves he is mafia. The second half is that Rels isn't really inspiring in this game and is parroting people, not really bringing lots of original thoughts. This I agree and was the reason I was wary of him.
About Palmar: Most of your points can be applied to anyone. 4th point is associative and it could be applied to me, for instance, that decided to switch from my top scumread to a townread (100% bad play). Not explaining too much of his reads isn't a mafia trait, he just said what he thinks and I find that pretty genuine. I also prefer not to say much, one liners are enough. He keeps saying "keep the game simple" and he is doing that.
The only point I think you can be right is being uninterested. That could come from both alignments anyway.
Now, I'm not saying Palmar couldn't be mafia. I'm saying these points aren't really convincing me. You know what does make me think Palmar could be mafia? Sentinel trying to have me lynched instead of Palmar.
I would be lynching you today, although I like that you're trying and if you are town, it wouldn't be the first time I was dumb enough to not see it. But Chez made me want to believe Rels is mafia and I think it's fun. If the flips red I'll always follow the House of Brown. Rels' vote on [UoN]Sentinel doesn't prove he is mafia, I literally said it's a wash. AKA I can't discern anything from it. Why would town ever not explain their reads? Especially to the degree that Palmar has been? I don't understand.
In short, not all associations are equal. But I have also discussed those already, I'd be happy to discuss other things as well. I think the most suspicious thing in Rels' filter is how he switches from Palmar to [UoN]Sentinel on Day 2. Obviously this is extremely suspect given [UoN]Sentinel's alignment, but also makes no sense on its own (look at the way he does it, not just the fact that he did). To me it feels fake. He dropped his vote for (IMO) suspect reasons* and voted for his #2 suspect over his #1 suspect for no reason.
Isn't this associative read, Trfel? I think Palmar is explaining, but in one liners. It's not the fact that he did it, that makes sense as mafia but could come from town. It's the way that he does it that makes no sense, regardless of [UoN]Sentinel's alignment. That is the suspicious part. Does that make sense? I can try to word it differently if not.
You see, I disagree that it doesn't make sense. He was pressuring Palmar, got a response, went to kill someone that could surely be Mafia. I think it makes total sense
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I mean, Rels wasn't really scum reading Palmar
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On April 03 2020 02:22 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2020 02:19 GlowingBear wrote:On April 03 2020 02:12 Trfel wrote:On April 03 2020 01:20 GlowingBear wrote:
In other words, it's not about putting effort in being wrong, it's putting effort in sterile things. He doesn't think Rels is Mafia? Why is he putting effort in reinforcing the suspicions? I'm not putting in effort to make other people suspect Rels, I'm trying to figure out Rels' alignment. I posted a large case on Palmar with quality content to persuade people to lynch Palmar instead of Rels. PLEASE stop with this nonsense. I'm sorry if you're town, Trfel, I just really can't see it. I understand what you're saying here, but I don't believe it. If I am wrong, at least I'll understand it's a meta thing. Please don't be frustrated No it is frustrating, because I've lost two games in a row by being lynched. I'm sick of this. My play has been solid, I'm confident Palmar is mafia, and everyone's lynching me instead while Palmar and his one-liners get away free.
You know what, Trfel. You're right. You're trying. Palmar isn't. I'll lynch Palmar instead.
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On April 03 2020 02:25 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2020 02:21 GlowingBear wrote:On April 03 2020 02:17 Trfel wrote:On April 03 2020 02:12 GlowingBear wrote:On April 03 2020 02:05 Trfel wrote:On April 02 2020 22:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Trfel, I've read all you've posted except for LS. If LS is mafia, he won the game. He's based town for me and I'm sure he will be the night kill tonight.
About Rels: Half of your case is assuming mafia would bus and his vote on Sentinel proves he is mafia. The second half is that Rels isn't really inspiring in this game and is parroting people, not really bringing lots of original thoughts. This I agree and was the reason I was wary of him.
About Palmar: Most of your points can be applied to anyone. 4th point is associative and it could be applied to me, for instance, that decided to switch from my top scumread to a townread (100% bad play). Not explaining too much of his reads isn't a mafia trait, he just said what he thinks and I find that pretty genuine. I also prefer not to say much, one liners are enough. He keeps saying "keep the game simple" and he is doing that.
The only point I think you can be right is being uninterested. That could come from both alignments anyway.
Now, I'm not saying Palmar couldn't be mafia. I'm saying these points aren't really convincing me. You know what does make me think Palmar could be mafia? Sentinel trying to have me lynched instead of Palmar.
I would be lynching you today, although I like that you're trying and if you are town, it wouldn't be the first time I was dumb enough to not see it. But Chez made me want to believe Rels is mafia and I think it's fun. If the flips red I'll always follow the House of Brown. Rels' vote on [UoN]Sentinel doesn't prove he is mafia, I literally said it's a wash. AKA I can't discern anything from it. Why would town ever not explain their reads? Especially to the degree that Palmar has been? I don't understand.
In short, not all associations are equal. But I have also discussed those already, I'd be happy to discuss other things as well. I think the most suspicious thing in Rels' filter is how he switches from Palmar to [UoN]Sentinel on Day 2. Obviously this is extremely suspect given [UoN]Sentinel's alignment, but also makes no sense on its own (look at the way he does it, not just the fact that he did). To me it feels fake. He dropped his vote for (IMO) suspect reasons* and voted for his #2 suspect over his #1 suspect for no reason.
Isn't this associative read, Trfel? I think Palmar is explaining, but in one liners. It's not the fact that he did it, that makes sense as mafia but could come from town. It's the way that he does it that makes no sense, regardless of [UoN]Sentinel's alignment. That is the suspicious part. Does that make sense? I can try to word it differently if not. You see, I disagree that it doesn't make sense. He was pressuring Palmar, got a response, went to kill someone that could surely be Mafia. I think it makes total sense Lemme copy paste this again. I think the most suspicious thing in Rels' filter is how he switches from Palmar to [UoN]Sentinel on Day 2. Obviously this is extremely suspect given [UoN]Sentinel's alignment, but also makes no sense on its own (look at the way he does it, not just the fact that he did). To me it feels fake. He dropped his vote for (IMO) suspect reasons* and voted for his #2 suspect over his #1 suspect for no reason. *I know he said he just voted for Palmar as a pressure vote. Palmar made a list post with little to no reasoning. Rels found it to be towny (how?) and also qualified this as Palmar playing the game (I strongly disagree, he showed barely any effort or thought). The point in the asterisk is key. Rels had no reason to let up, he still has failed to explain why that post would affect anything in his reads.
That's where we disagree. I think his list post was slightly townie for how original and bold it was. Mafia usually don't play so carefree like that. Which is why I think his vote switch is perfectly fine. That's not the reason Rels should be scumread IMHO
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On April 03 2020 02:26 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2020 02:24 GlowingBear wrote:On April 03 2020 02:22 Trfel wrote:On April 03 2020 02:19 GlowingBear wrote:On April 03 2020 02:12 Trfel wrote:On April 03 2020 01:20 GlowingBear wrote:
In other words, it's not about putting effort in being wrong, it's putting effort in sterile things. He doesn't think Rels is Mafia? Why is he putting effort in reinforcing the suspicions? I'm not putting in effort to make other people suspect Rels, I'm trying to figure out Rels' alignment. I posted a large case on Palmar with quality content to persuade people to lynch Palmar instead of Rels. PLEASE stop with this nonsense. I'm sorry if you're town, Trfel, I just really can't see it. I understand what you're saying here, but I don't believe it. If I am wrong, at least I'll understand it's a meta thing. Please don't be frustrated No it is frustrating, because I've lost two games in a row by being lynched. I'm sick of this. My play has been solid, I'm confident Palmar is mafia, and everyone's lynching me instead while Palmar and his one-liners get away free. You know what, Trfel. You're right. You're trying. Palmar isn't. I'll lynch Palmar instead. ##Unvote
##Vote: Palmar I doubt it'll matter at this point, but I appreciate the thought and consideration. Thank you. Remember this for when I die.
Sure  I'm tired of losing for people that keeps saying they aren't interested in playing but somehow manages to survive. Palmar repeatedly said he isn't reading the game.
I'll be voting him with you
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On April 03 2020 02:29 LightningStrike wrote:
Who do I vote and why should I vote that person? >.<
That's up to you. I've made my mind.
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On April 03 2020 02:30 LightningStrike wrote:
Palmar never really read the game as either alignment GB.
Exactly. He could be mafia here too.
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Let's shenanigans on Chez.
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It's probably the worst option but boy it will be fun.
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