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CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
October 06 2019 14:31 GMT
#1881
On October 05 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote:
No, I’m saying if you two are actually town, why would mafia kill the one they can just rb and never worry about since he’s barely posting anything, versus Holyflare that Regularly gets NK’d for just being HF.

Holyflare if you are town, you are far more dangerous than Branch. There’s no comparison.


I agree with this.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
October 06 2019 14:34 GMT
#1882
On October 05 2019 04:59 Vivax wrote:
The only alternative to a Tube + Shockey team I see as likely is Cop + HF. Because I have a hard time seeing their back and forth as genuine. It's easier to picture them lashing at each other pretending to be frustrated while they laugh their asses off in a qt instead of this being real. It just doesn't seem productive enough to look town.


This sounds soooooooooooo bad because we have fought to death before even if you dont remember.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
October 06 2019 14:35 GMT
#1883
On October 05 2019 05:13 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2019 05:07 Tubesock wrote:
On October 05 2019 04:55 Vivax wrote:
Tube if I'm mafia because HF hasn't been scumreading me, why is your best approach that you flip him first and not me?
I'm pretty sure you were much more confident that I was mafia than him, besides, that association read is lazy as fuck.


I think it’s possible you’re just being lazy town.

I feel stronger about HF. Which association read are you talking about?


The fact that he should be scumreading me.

It's actually the main reason I'm townreading him. I'm just that juicy of a target that he couldn't pass on the opportunity.


Maybe because you are lazy? And you would jump on him?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 06 2019 14:36 GMT
#1884
On October 06 2019 23:30 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2019 04:12 Holyflare wrote:
On October 05 2019 03:47 Tubesock wrote:
On September 05 2019 23:16 Grackaroni wrote:

In the case of conflicting roleblocks, the mafia Roleblocker's action will take priority over Town Jailkeeper/Roleblocker. (Suppose the Mafia Roleblocker has roleblocked the Town Roleblocker and vice-versa, but the Mafia Roleblocker is also carrying the night kill, then the Mafia Roleblocker's roleblock will go through first and the night kill will be unimpeded.)

If only one Roleblocker is roleblocked, then the roleblocked Roleblocker's action will not go through.
(Suppose the Town Roleblocker/Jailkeeper has roleblocked the Mafia Roleblocker, and the Mafia Roleblocker has roleblocked a Cop. Then the Mafia Roleblocker's action will not process and the Cop will get a check.)

Town can no lynch
Mafia cannot no shoot. If mafia fails to submit a shot, the shot will be randomized among town players.


If HF and Branch are actually blue, why would mafia that has a living RBer keep HF alive?

Further, rbing anyone other than Branch allows for him to possibly jk whomever is carrying the kill. There’s no way competent mafia would risk that. I’d RB Branch for days and kill people who are actually posting.

##Vote: Holyflare


You literally answer this in your own quote.

I was rbed because there is simply no fear from a town jk rb if it supersedes it and if copcake is town then she is literally the only one in the thread talking about lynching another town (me).

I can't believe your accusation that I am mafia is why did they kill a jailkeeper that has a confirmed role lol, how opportunistic.


I have problems with this

Yes it is true that the JK is more dangerous than the tracker but you are a pro player.


One is confirmed town. One is not. Why kill the not?

What if the scummiest person on their team is the Roleblocker and they don't know if they will even be able to rb the jk the next night?


Nk wifom is the worst kind of argument I can ever imagine.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
October 06 2019 14:37 GMT
#1885
On October 05 2019 06:21 Tubesock wrote:
I still think shockeyy or Vivax are mafia. I’m not buddying him that’s ludicrous, I said it’s possible he is lazy town and that’s why I’m voting HF now instead of Vivax.


Well tamar... if shockey is your mafia read yet you dont know if it is vivax/hf you vote shockey.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
October 06 2019 14:38 GMT
#1886
On October 05 2019 06:35 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2019 05:01 Tubesock wrote:
I think they should be more skeptical of you.

And to be fair, CopCake can’t get her lynch, I can’t, Shockeyy can’t and I’m pretty sure Vivax can’t either. So I don’t see why they would keep you alive as you’ve basically called everyone mafia in the last day or two. So right now you’re unpredictable which is more dangerous if you were town.

Show nested quote +
On October 05 2019 06:21 Tubesock wrote:
I still think shockeyy or Vivax are mafia. I’m not buddying him that’s ludicrous, I said it’s possible he is lazy town and that’s why I’m voting HF now instead of Vivax.

Show nested quote +
On October 05 2019 06:22 Tubesock wrote:
On October 05 2019 06:12 Holyflare wrote:
Tube did you scum read shockey last cycle?


Yes. Still do.



So this first post was quite literally bs? "Copcake can't get her lynch"

Why can't she get her lynch if you scum read shockey, copcake scum reads shockey, branch scum read shockey and I had thrown him in a scum list for a while and I am pretty sure vivax just called him mafia too? This looks amazingly like you creating the false narrative of "Oh, hf is alive, must be mafia" just so you can place a vote.


Branch said cake and vivax at the end tho
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
October 06 2019 14:39 GMT
#1887
On October 05 2019 06:48 Holyflare wrote:
It's a bit shit but I have ogi reasons to think vivax is probably town, that's why I didn't lynch him.


I have problems with thid during all the game, you know metas of almlst every player except me...

I feel not important!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 06 2019 14:40 GMT
#1888
I talk with vivax a lot out of game and I've known him for like 7 years.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
October 06 2019 14:41 GMT
#1889
On October 05 2019 06:48 Tubesock wrote:
And I don’t think Vivax is lazy town. I think it’s possible he is and that’s why I am voting HF because I’m positive you’re mafia. I have no problems voting Vivax. My problem voting Shockeyy is because you’re advocating it.




On October 05 2019 06:49 Holyflare wrote:
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I KNEW IT LOL

tubesock/shockey confirmed


It makes sense, you deffend Shockey way too much.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
October 06 2019 14:43 GMT
#1890
On October 05 2019 06:55 Holyflare wrote:
Case:

  • Terrible reasons to scum read me today.
  • Made up a reason to push for my lynch, saying that why would mafia leave me alive when nobody could get their lynch.
  • Scum reads shockey, as well as most people in this game but said "Copcake can't get her lynch that's why you're unpredictable and alive so mafia" which is absolutely not true when most people scum read shockey today.
  • Says he scum read vivax yesterday as well as shockey.
  • Could have joined you with GB on shockey yesterday and you probably would have lynched him.
  • Vivax now could be lazy town.
  • Won't vote shockey even though he scum reads him :D :D for no reason other than I'm advocating for his lynch.
  • Calls me scummy for not lynching vivax for EXACTLY THE SAME REASONS AS HE WON'T LYNCH SHOCKEY
  • Has sat back in the shadows literally the entirety of the game until lylo where he's been the most active today consecutively today than he has in the entire game and it's literally to just push an agenda that is not critically thought out or reasoned. What is the scum read on me for other than I'm not dead when there's a flipped jk dead?



He joined the shockey train with GB and me.

He was also active when you said you trackdd him...
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 06 2019 14:44 GMT
#1891
On October 06 2019 23:43 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2019 06:55 Holyflare wrote:
Case:

  • Terrible reasons to scum read me today.
  • Made up a reason to push for my lynch, saying that why would mafia leave me alive when nobody could get their lynch.
  • Scum reads shockey, as well as most people in this game but said "Copcake can't get her lynch that's why you're unpredictable and alive so mafia" which is absolutely not true when most people scum read shockey today.
  • Says he scum read vivax yesterday as well as shockey.
  • Could have joined you with GB on shockey yesterday and you probably would have lynched him.
  • Vivax now could be lazy town.
  • Won't vote shockey even though he scum reads him :D :D for no reason other than I'm advocating for his lynch.
  • Calls me scummy for not lynching vivax for EXACTLY THE SAME REASONS AS HE WON'T LYNCH SHOCKEY
  • Has sat back in the shadows literally the entirety of the game until lylo where he's been the most active today consecutively today than he has in the entire game and it's literally to just push an agenda that is not critically thought out or reasoned. What is the scum read on me for other than I'm not dead when there's a flipped jk dead?



He joined the shockey train with GB and me.

He was also active when you said you trackdd him...


Read the vote thread for how long he kept his vote on shockey (5 minutes or something). And, no, he wasn't active.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
October 06 2019 14:44 GMT
#1892
On October 05 2019 07:04 Tubesock wrote:
You’re misconstruing everything. The only accurate thing you said is it could be called nightkill wifom. The rest is bullshit.

And how can you say I’m hypocritical by saying you defended Vivax implying you’re mafia with him, and the only person you’re mafia with is Shockeyy? How does that logic worth. I’ve said many times it could be shockeyy or Vivax with you.

And it isn’t just nk wifom. I don’t believe there’s 2 blues in 9 player game. You also haven’t done anything mafia HF wouldn’t also be able to do. Your claim was far more elaborate than town HF would bother with. Mafia!HF needs an elaborate claim. You constantly claim I don’t buy for a second that town!HF would say “I had to make it elaborate so town would accept it”


I agree with this 💯
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 06 2019 14:44 GMT
#1893
Jesus christ lol.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 06 2019 14:45 GMT
#1894
It's like you're a tubesock fan for absolutely no reason when nothing he says is well argued just to angle to vote me at the end of it.

If you're mafia and doing this to angle a vote on me with tube, well played. It's working.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 06 2019 14:47 GMT
#1895
What did I misconstrue? Even tube hasn't answered that and can't.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
October 06 2019 14:48 GMT
#1896
On October 05 2019 07:26 Holyflare wrote:
Tubesock shockey references:

+ Show Spoiler +
On September 28 2019 02:10 Tubesock wrote:
I’m probably voting Eywa. He’s the least towny of the two with votes. I do think Vivax and Shockeyy are townish too.


Town shockey.

On September 28 2019 02:16 Tubesock wrote:
What do people think of CopCake?

I’m 180 on their reads. Not sure how someone can town Boxer, and don’t like the Vivax, Shockeyy, Branch team.


Doesn't like shockeyy in a scum team (because he town reads him)

On September 28 2019 02:42 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2019 02:31 CopCake wrote:
I mean Shockey feels fake as fuck about his “happiness” to see GB.

Do they have history or something?

I mean when I saw him the first thing that came to my mind was “ugh that dude who bussed his mafia partners to win” but since I am town I have to be impartial and he seems extremely laid back and towny, doing towny things without being too paranoid. Add the fact that he hasnt played in some time so seems like he is happy to get a role that doesnt make his ass work that much.


Why would mafia fake enthusiasm for GB’s return?


Defends shockey from an accusation from copcake.

On September 30 2019 01:01 Tubesock wrote:
Mafia probably Branch, Boxerfred, and Shockeyy.

None are moving the game forward. Everyone else seems to be trying.


Suddenly becomes mafia just for not moving the game forward. Notice all the other 2 were lurker towns, very easy to just throw a partner in.

On September 30 2019 01:12 Tubesock wrote:
I don’t mind Shockeyys attitude towards CopCake. So I’m down to Boxer and Branch.


Town again lol.

On September 30 2019 02:06 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2019 01:57 CopCake wrote:
Could someone please check Shockey and see the natural flow of his reads ~?



It seems natural towards you. I don’t see why he scumreads me over Boxerfred.


Nothingness.

On September 30 2019 02:30 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2019 09:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On September 29 2019 08:51 Holyflare wrote:
I guess I shouldn't have returned. Only cake has even quoted something I've written and argued points with me. The rest of you just pointlessly comment and afk again and you enable mafia to just skate by doing nothing each and every game.

This will absolutely be my last game here.



The pool has also gotten smaller. The more people involved, the more conversations, it's also the weekend, assuming everyone is busy like myself. Currently packing for a work trip. But either way, I'm around and always checking, and trying to at least phone post which isn't the best to use to debate.

I think you asked me earlier what my town reads were and so far,

Vivax seems like a good town read. I would also say yourself HF is a good town read. GB is like 60/40 for me while CopCake is 50/50 still.


What specifically makes Vivax a good town read?


Literally a question to shockey that gets no follow up or answer or response to.

On October 01 2019 02:16 Tubesock wrote:
I still think it’s in Boxer, shockeyy, or Branch.


shockey mysteriously appears in the scum list again with nothing changed in between and has to be asked for reasoning

On October 01 2019 02:29 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2019 02:20 FreezingFoot wrote:
On October 01 2019 02:16 Tubesock wrote:
I still think it’s in Boxer, shockeyy, or Branch.


Oh you already answered.

Could you reason your reads?


Some OMGUS, and how he pretty much only has me as his scumread but hasn’t done anything to push me or figure out my alignment at all. He simply omgus’ Copcake defensively and nothing else. He has t progressed the game forward in any way.

Branch is deliberately being uncooperative.


the reasoning is omgus and the same reason he mafia read him before but he was REMOVED from that mafia list so the non-progression of the game should have been counteracted previously by something shockey did, yet that was clearly forgotten here

On October 02 2019 07:54 Tubesock wrote:
I’m back.

I think GB is lock town, HF is tracker but I have no idea why he wouldn’t outright claim it, and Branch is jk.

So that leaves Cop, Vivax and Shockeyy. I’m pretty confident Cop is town. If HF is mafia, that was a kick ass play.



this is literally the same scum list most of the game and it was basically just lurkers (hint: town reads me here really hard, conveniently forgot about that didn't he?)

On October 03 2019 06:25 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2019 06:23 Branch.AUT wrote:
Copcake, what does it take for you to stop this immense tunnel on shockeyy?


Probably for Shockeyy to do something towny. So far he’s “uh I’m town yo!”

On October 03 2019 06:28 Tubesock wrote:
Hmm. If Shockeyy and HF were mafia, then I can see Shockeyy not voting to save himself.


Pointless conspiracy of something that would never in a million years happen. Don't think shockey was even around at deadline to vote to be honest (I checked and posted about it) but Tubesock doesn't do any research into this so throws it out as a tinfoil for no reason.

On October 03 2019 06:58 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2019 06:53 FreezingFoot wrote:
On October 03 2019 06:23 Tubesock wrote:
I don’t think GB is scum.

It is completely rational and logical to be skeptical of HF’s claim. I mean he’s HF. Plus, 2 blue roles in a 9 player game seems pretty unbalanced. Not impossible, but I think unlikely. If HF were mafia, he 100% would make some breadcrumb that’s unquestionable like this.

But would mafia!HF carry the kp N2? And why would mafiaHF prolong the game by voting Boxerfred? I don’t see mafia!HF doing that. So, I think this is town!HF.


1) Yes, especially after he claimed blue during night.

2) To gain towncred


He claims blue truthfully and falsely fairly often at night.

It could be for towncred, but I think he had plenty already and I don’t think it’s worth not killing 2 people with. Unless Shockeyy is mafia. Which I am warm too. If I move from Vivax it’ll be to Shockeyy.

On October 03 2019 07:04 Tubesock wrote:
Ok, but what do you think of Vivax?

##Unvote
##Vote: Shockeyy



Votes shockey for about 2.5 seconds before switching to vivax with nobody after shockey posted nothing but conspiracy.

On October 03 2019 07:41 Tubesock wrote:
Vivax is a better lynch.





Really very lacking, unexplained reads. The one explanation that is provided is omgus and shockey flips from town to mafia to town and back to mafia for no reasoning at one point. Tubesock's play this game can be summarised as textbook of what reads not to make as mafia. Omgus reads, a full on lurker scum list, why is this player not dead, not pushing game forward so mafia.

I do not think any read he has had this entire game is anything other than surface level drivel.



Good post and read.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
October 06 2019 14:54 GMT
#1897
Tbh I understand Tubestock point of view, because I do also see it and to be fair... to allignate your set mind to cake is... dangerous if you are mafia because I am the easiest to get misslynched lol.

If he tried to buddy someone it would be vivax or you.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 06 2019 14:56 GMT
#1898
Ok I'll let you catch up.

I think it should be really straightforward if you just look at n2. I claimed blue, got saved and no kp happened. Either I sent kp after claiming blue when my partner would be shockey, vivax, tube or cake who are never getting blocked by a jk or I'm just simply town and you're over thinking it.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
October 06 2019 14:58 GMT
#1899
Like there are so many fair points why you could be nafia

* saved shockey and win town cred
* lied with the breadcrumb. What if you died? People would have lynched tubestock...
* during the whole fucking game you were against GB... fought me, fought everyone to get your lynch.
* suddenly i am town? Since when? After the GB flip you called me mafia lol.

Only in one world you are mafia and that is with shockey, i told you several times lynch shockey so we can have a 100% clear HF but nope.

I can see tube not voting shockey so we wouldnt have a clear HF but do not deny that in the eyes of an ignorant town who has to be careful you look also scummy as fuck.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 06 2019 15:08 GMT
#1900
On October 06 2019 23:58 CopCake wrote:
Like there are so many fair points why you could be nafia

* saved shockey and win town cred
* lied with the breadcrumb. What if you died? People would have lynched tubestock...
* during the whole fucking game you were against GB... fought me, fought everyone to get your lynch.
* suddenly i am town? Since when? After the GB flip you called me mafia lol.

Only in one world you are mafia and that is with shockey, i told you several times lynch shockey so we can have a 100% clear HF but nope.

I can see tube not voting shockey so we wouldnt have a clear HF but do not deny that in the eyes of an ignorant town who has to be careful you look also scummy as fuck.


Only makes sense if I'm with shockey BUT I claimed blue the same night AND got shot the same night. Why not just let someone that's not ridiculously likely to get saved carry kp?

I didn't lie with the breadcrumb, the breadcrumb literally meant nothing. And if it did get translated into something the names in the breadcrumb were gb who I massively scum read and tube who I scum read and is likely just mafia anyway.

I am always and will always be against gb because in my eyes everything he does looks illogical and anti town agenda. I would do the same next game even if he was town simply because anything that's illogical goes directly against my philosophy as a human being.

You had a chance to be mafia but it was lylo and while shockey/vivax/tube sat back and literally did nothing but snipe comments the whole time and afk you at least had some passion to call me mafia. I reason that's because you are much more invested in actually figuring things out and are more likely to be town.

I do not care if shockey dies.
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