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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 14:11 GMT
#1330
Still expect the rest but I'll probably vote someone else I guess.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 14:29 GMT
#1333
On July 29 2019 23:21 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2019 23:08 Holyflare wrote:
On July 29 2019 22:45 Branch.AUT wrote:
FFs list does not even mention me. Simply MUST be scum

(The above is a joke)

I see HF pushing Hydra (my scumread) as one of two things:

HF town agreeing with my read, and pushing the hydra.

HF scum pushing out an inactive veteran, which is just what he would do.

Eywa- how do you read HF this game?
FecalFeast what is your opinion on HF?


You know that the hydra has the most posts in the game right now or at least close right?

I don't agree with your read, I don't think that one very specific post you pointed out makes them mafia but I suppose independently coming to the same read means we share the read, yes.


It'd be more surprising if they didn't, having four hands and two active time zones makes it easy.
Why is # of posts important though? Spamming out posts is really easy, just look at slam or koshi...

Their reaction to me pointing to this post is far more telling. Especially the part where they ignore my argument and pull unrelated information for their defense is extremely scum to me


Number of posts is important because in the post I quoted you say one situation is that I'm pushing an inactive veteran which they most certainly are not?

I don't really believe they're mafia after Jock is posting this qt summary.

I do expect him to finish though.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 14:31 GMT
#1334
Honestly I think I could vote ff for the list post with eywa.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 14:32 GMT
#1335
It's SO lazy that it's pointless but why even bother trying to make it in the first place if you don't care enough to read half the people other than to justify voting somewhere?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 15:07 GMT
#1342
On July 29 2019 23:57 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2019 23:29 Holyflare wrote:
On July 29 2019 23:21 Branch.AUT wrote:
On July 29 2019 23:08 Holyflare wrote:
On July 29 2019 22:45 Branch.AUT wrote:
FFs list does not even mention me. Simply MUST be scum

(The above is a joke)

I see HF pushing Hydra (my scumread) as one of two things:

HF town agreeing with my read, and pushing the hydra.

HF scum pushing out an inactive veteran, which is just what he would do.

Eywa- how do you read HF this game?
FecalFeast what is your opinion on HF?


You know that the hydra has the most posts in the game right now or at least close right?

I don't agree with your read, I don't think that one very specific post you pointed out makes them mafia but I suppose independently coming to the same read means we share the read, yes.


It'd be more surprising if they didn't, having four hands and two active time zones makes it easy.
Why is # of posts important though? Spamming out posts is really easy, just look at slam or koshi...

Their reaction to me pointing to this post is far more telling. Especially the part where they ignore my argument and pull unrelated information for their defense is extremely scum to me


Number of posts is important because in the post I quoted you say one situation is that I'm pushing an inactive veteran which they most certainly are not?

I don't really believe they're mafia after Jock is posting this qt summary.

I do expect him to finish though.


WBG, the veteran head announced he would be travelling and inactive. Rephrasing inactive to afk would be correct.



That's only half of them though and Jock never said he'd be afk but it's whatever, I'm not going to lynch them.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 15:10 GMT
#1344
I really can't bring myself to read anyone lol
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 15:12 GMT
#1345
On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote:
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations.


If you do not town read them after that QT paraphrasing I dunno what to tell you. If they're mafia with a QT for the hydra I expect there to almost be nothing in there, in which case Jock managed to fabricate 90 posts of conversation between them in a very short space of time and kudos to him if he did.

It looks natural and from what I can see, aligns with their thoughts throughout the game in a fluid way.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 15:56 GMT
#1348
Ah, yes, the old scum read my teammate and force a lynch onto him so that he can vote me back based on some really bad Tubesock death argument we can get him to post that pre-planned QT post that effectively summarises every post he's made this game.

Such foresight we have, so deliberate and planned.

Why is everything such a stretch of the imagination to get to for you? Why isn't it the much more simple answer, that it is truthful and what happened rather than an elaborate plan? It's looking more and more like you trying to fabricate a read than it is anything else at this point.

If you want to stop scum reading the hydra, which you should, who do you think mafia would be?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 17:05 GMT
#1353
On July 30 2019 02:01 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2019 17:22 Holyflare wrote:
On July 29 2019 13:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Like how the hell can I establish innocence? Most of you quote literally hate Rayn for being Rayn and hate me for being me.

Straight up.

I gave fucks until that shit happened and when you proved that the only way to win is to misconstrue, talk witty, and act bombastic like Marv and that whole crew of vets and I realized that they indeed had the best track records on this site, and that some of my worst track record games are also my best performances, I realized my cause is pointless.

Because like my real life position, I have no influence but I’m usually uncannily right anyway and still rich as all get out even though none of the money is mine, so I have no control over it. So also all the reads I make can be plenty right but since the votes don’t belong to me, I have no control over them so without influence being right doesn’t matter and my inability to influence is sacked. In both cases.

Like what the hell, I’m a martyr and told everyone don’t lynch Rayn, knew Eywa would blame him for being bad instead of admitting I knew what the hell I was talking about and also thought Chezinu could die

Like not only is my information perfect for scum, it’s even better because I shaded the cop

I’m straight up hacker scum yo.


Nobody will respect you if you try and change yourself for one game and give up and vote yourself. Do you think they vote you for being correct or just by the fact you're incredibly different? How can you purport that you're extremely good at finding patterns but then criticise people that say you're following a completely different kind of pattern so could be mafia?

People like marv do well because they have a proven track record of saying good things and lynching mafia. It's rare to start off with that much traction, incredibly so. Being a vet means absolutely nothing because 90% of this game contains vet players.

People follow other people because they have good, convincing reasons to lynch people that resonate with other people. I was correct on Eversince last game but nobody followed me then. Is that because I'm a vocal vet that everyone always sheeps? No. It's because I wasn't convincing enough and people have their own ideas.

So, why did we not follow you on rayn or town read you for being correct on rayn? Because you have no evidence, no rhyme or reason and you just criticised incorrectly after the fact.

You said nobody had a case, which was factually incorrect. People called you out on that and you were afk. Whether that was timezone, work or whatever. That festers uncertainty. People scum read uncertainty. You then said everything against rayn was trash but also that you completely misread rayn. None of these points are fully explained. People scum read points that are unexplained. Do you think Koshi is being scum read because he got some reads right or something? People are scum reading him for unexplained reads, lack of follow up and inability to answer questions about those reads.

Playing mafia is absolutely nothing about social sway and absolutely everything about being accountable for your reads, convincing people through coherent reasoning and finding good lynches from narrowing down town reads to find mafia. What is your town read list? I don't know it. Does anyone else? Not even sure who you really scum read!

And I am afraid this is wrong, not entirely wrong I learned from it but there are false claims in here.

It IS about social sway once enough players make it that way.

But you’re right, I sucked at realizing how I knew Rayn was town besides meta.

I now know I should have said: Rayn is dealing with emotion. Rayn cares deeply about this game because it is one of his more stimulating pastimes. As Eywa is not reacting to his second language struggles in a sensible manner, Rayn has realized Eywa cannot be convinced otherwise and is raging about that as it is his only option. His narrow focus on Eywa has caused him to forget the other players in the game for the sake of his emotions. Therefore, he is disregarding them which is causing them, through lack of realization of what he is thinking, to think he is caught mafia.

Therefore, all their conclusions are shit

I couldn’t think of that at the time.


How do people GET social sway, Slam? By being consistently wrong and unconvincing and never making sense or what?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 18:11 GMT
#1376
I just wanted to fake claim parity cop and die lol :D
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 18:12 GMT
#1380
I also lowkey wanted to see the night kill if I didn't die and killing tubesock was something I'd heavily expect bugs to do, especially after Vivax n1. But that's also a massive Koshi thing to do too.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 20:09 GMT
#1434
Man I read Eversince's filter and it's like the most coherent I've ever seen her and I agree with everything she says but it all largely seems reactionary and I feel bad but I kind of scum read her for all of the above? But also not really.

This post says nothing, carry on.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 20:11 GMT
#1435
I also don't hate MZ's filter lol
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 20:13 GMT
#1436
5) Fecalfeast
6) Eywa
7) Pandain
8) Coagulation Replaced by Branch.AUT Day 2.
11) Koshi

I'm narrowing you guys down.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 20:17 GMT
#1439
On July 30 2019 05:14 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 05:06 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Branch who's your top scum read right now?

-J

I am going through low activity people at the moment. Don't have a good scumread but these are my thoughts.

Im cautious about HF because of the weight he carries in thread.

Fecalfeasts opinions seem to line up with mine a lot, but his filter is filled with garbage posts.

Who are yours?


What does this mean? Can't you just judge my posts based on if you agree or disagree with them? You always seem to make every post talking about me some 50/50 option you defer to other people to answer for you.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 20:18 GMT
#1440
Branch can you make me a small list of players and write a line about each one summarising what you think their alignment is and why?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 20:30 GMT
#1445
On July 27 2019 19:25 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2019 19:19 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure hf is mafia just skating by. You saw the waterfall on words in his argumebt with me? You saw something like that solving this game? Nope...

And he was too diplomatic and clean in the end. Trying to shade me a bit with the Alakasam fanclub and shit.

Oh well. It worked.
Good on him

It's a possibility. I don't know his meta as well as you do.

One thing that HF is fond of saying is kill people who talk and contribute as mafia.
Vivax NK is decidedly not that.


Can you explain to me how you know this? I don't think I've ever seen you obs a game I'm in or anything.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 20:31 GMT
#1447
On July 30 2019 05:29 Alakaslam wrote:
I’m gonna Vote Koshi.


You already are?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 20:39 GMT
#1449
Very interested in the Branch read list. The entire filter feels like a robot is playing the game instead and there's some summaries that don't align with the voracity of other pushes he's been doing.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 29 2019 21:14 GMT
#1454
On July 30 2019 05:46 Branch.AUT wrote:
1) NoSmurfHere - Reacted very poorly to a scum accusation. seems town because of qt
2) Holyflare - suspicious activity timings throughout the game. probably town for establishing hydra as town
4) Alakaslam - Have not read thoroughly. dislike amount of posts.
5) Fecalfeast - reads align with mine on previous days. lot of offtopic. doesnt seem to interested in solving game. suspicious
6) Eywa - Posts very little substance. Suspicious
7) Pandain - seems interested in solving the game through reason and logic. town on a half hearted read
11) Koshi - havent read his filter since start of d2. suspicious
12) Meapak_Ziphh - reasonable and logical arguments. town
14) Eversince reasonable and coherent. Very little initiative. town


1) You, yourself have said that this did not mean anything:

On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote:
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations.

On July 30 2019 00:35 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2019 00:12 Holyflare wrote:
On July 30 2019 00:04 Branch.AUT wrote:
Why does Holyflare think all of this qt paraphrasing makes hydra town? All it is is sentiment towards players and expressing frustrations.


If you do not town read them after that QT paraphrasing I dunno what to tell you. If they're mafia with a QT for the hydra I expect there to almost be nothing in there, in which case Jock managed to fabricate 90 posts of conversation between them in a very short space of time and kudos to him if he did.

It looks natural and from what I can see, aligns with their thoughts throughout the game in a fluid way.


Unless youre scum with them, and this was a planned set-up.

On July 30 2019 04:49 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2019 12:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm back home from the weekend. Kinda demoralizing to see both koshi and slam escape the noose. Idk though, the tube NK is making me have some doubts about the hydra.

I'll need to reread some filters tomorrow and reevaluate where I'm at. Gonna take a closer look Branch and Eywa as well as flesh out the hydra/slam/FF/koshi knot.

I like your approach to the game.

HF seems convinced the Hydra is town, based on the amount of posts that Jock produced from their qt.
Koshi and Slam I am not brave enough to take a close look at, but if you arrive at something I am willing to cooperate with you.


What's changed here?


2) Dunno what about my activity is suspicious but I'm moving so whatever, fair. If this is your only read on me why do you keep pointing things out like the above? Making crazy out of the blue assumptions that I'm partners with the hydra or repeatedly asking what people think of me or you're cautious about me because of the weight I hold in the thread?

5) Why is FF suspicious if your reads aligned early in the game? Have those reads changed? Which reads specifically did you agree with FF on?


11) Why is Koshi suspicious if you haven't read his filter since the start of d2? He's solely suspicious for the slam/myself/him stuff and that's it? Don't you think you should read his filter if he's suspicious and in a poe pool at this point with multiple people wanting to lynch him? Why have you not read his filter d2 if he was one of the candidates up for lynch then?

14) Why is Eversince town for having reasonable and coherent arguments but no initiative. Comparatively to FF what is different that makes him suspicious (even though you had the same reads) but doesn't make Eversince suspicious here for the same thing?
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