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On July 27 2019 17:18 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 17:04 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 27 2019 16:57 Eversince wrote:
@Jock
Also if he's actually town that's the most m!Slam way t!Slam can make. He's literally playing as scum because if he IS town and martyrs, we have 1 mislynch to catch all 3 mafia.. (not jock, but FWIW) I actually was thinking about slam martyr voting himself and I just don't get it. Like we were in the vote lead (technically) and if he was scum he could have sheeped FF & tube on us and comfortably put us in the lead; Pandain's vote would've tied but it would have needed another vote to put slam in the lead again. So why self vote to put himself in the lead exactly? As either alignment? I'll be honest, I'm leaning toward just looking at someone else today because I'm having a hard time understanding slam's play from either perspective, and FF has some redeeming posts from day 1 & doesn't seem like anyone else thinks FF is scum. What if we just killed Koshi? -wherebugsgo If he's mafia trying to push himself to death so he can 'spend time with future wife' seems like a good way to play Appeal to Emotion card like he's done all game. People move, he get free pass to drop from the game for "reason he already posted" But that's a really rude move. (This last sentence might be my bias though, I don't lie about afk  ) I'd be ok with Koshi. He's playing like a lost sheep and that dumpster of a mess between HF/Koshi/Slam was just really bad. I would probably of ask same type of questions in HF shoes (not really because I thought Rayn was town to, but here again.. bias. I sub in after Rayn is already dead.)Chez would be fine with me to. He's literally contributed 0 to this game .
To summarize why I think that: Koshi buddies right up to Eywa super early,
He's been sheeping 'best player Slam' from pretty early, then when Slam makes some questionable remark about Vivax read, he's wayyy over defensive on it. and now he's just fine with dying which sends the same red flags (pretty darn big red flags about just rolling over and dying)
I think most of his reads are not original and the mess that occurs from it is bleh.
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That was the only redeeming quality of that vote though.
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The thing you bolded in your own post is also pretty mafia. You defend yourself twice for your actions in 1 post.
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@ Koshi
Note that I was fine between Slam/Koshi/Chez/Pandain.
Slam isn't my top choice here because if Slam is t!Slam martyr, we mislynch 1 time finding 3 scum we lost.
I pointed out my read in it because it was asked for -.-
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Oh well. I am on Chezinu and I am fine with it. I would prefer to vote Eversince right now but hey. Maybe I am just mad at her and the world.
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On July 27 2019 19:39 Eversince wrote:
@ Koshi
Note that I was fine between Slam/Koshi/Chez/Pandain.
Slam isn't my top choice here because if Slam is t!Slam martyr, we mislynch 1 time finding 3 scum we lost.
I pointed out my read in it because it was asked for -.-
It's ok.
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On July 27 2019 19:29 Branch.AUT wrote:Your sudden and unexplained koshi push baffles me. How do you arrive at a scum!koshi conclusion?
I don't know how you could come to any other conclusion tbh.
-J
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On July 27 2019 19:36 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 17:18 Eversince wrote:On July 27 2019 17:04 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 27 2019 16:57 Eversince wrote:
@Jock
Also if he's actually town that's the most m!Slam way t!Slam can make. He's literally playing as scum because if he IS town and martyrs, we have 1 mislynch to catch all 3 mafia.. (not jock, but FWIW) I actually was thinking about slam martyr voting himself and I just don't get it. Like we were in the vote lead (technically) and if he was scum he could have sheeped FF & tube on us and comfortably put us in the lead; Pandain's vote would've tied but it would have needed another vote to put slam in the lead again. So why self vote to put himself in the lead exactly? As either alignment? I'll be honest, I'm leaning toward just looking at someone else today because I'm having a hard time understanding slam's play from either perspective, and FF has some redeeming posts from day 1 & doesn't seem like anyone else thinks FF is scum. What if we just killed Koshi? -wherebugsgo If he's mafia trying to push himself to death so he can 'spend time with future wife' seems like a good way to play Appeal to Emotion card like he's done all game. People move, he get free pass to drop from the game for "reason he already posted" But that's a really rude move. (This last sentence might be my bias though, I don't lie about afk ) I'd be ok with Koshi. He's playing like a lost sheep and that dumpster of a mess between HF/Koshi/Slam was just really bad. I would probably of ask same type of questions in HF shoes (not really because I thought Rayn was town to, but here again.. bias. I sub in after Rayn is already dead.)Chez would be fine with me to. He's literally contributed 0 to this game . To summarize why I think that: Koshi buddies right up to Eywa super early, He's been sheeping 'best player Slam' from pretty early, then when Slam makes some questionable remark about Vivax read, he's wayyy over defensive on it. and now he's just fine with dying which sends the same red flags (pretty darn big red flags about just rolling over and dying) I think most of his reads are not original and the mess that occurs from it is bleh.
while we're at it, my reasons are different (good sign that Koshi is scum)
1. Koshi knows rayn pretty well but often specifically called rayn "anti-town" instead of "scum" even before the flip:
On July 25 2019 00:41 Koshi wrote:
If you read rayn page 5 and dont vote him limits are off again for this game.
Pure anti town shitty behaviour.
Dont vote for that.
Keep anti town in the game.
Good move.
This is relatively small by itself but important together with other details, like:
2. On day 1 Koshi posted a lot of things that seemed to indicate he has too much information, and in particular kind of ridiculed people from the sidelines for things that are not really obvious when you don't have complete information. For example:
On July 25 2019 00:33 Koshi wrote:
Ewya says rayn is mafia.
-> People think Ewya is town.
Hydra agrees with Eywa
-> People call hydra mafia for the dumbest reasons.
Oh well.
On July 25 2019 00:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2019 23:58 Vivax wrote:On July 24 2019 02:38 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Immediate gut reactions:
Don't like koshi's first post. No redeeming features of that one.
Don't like the way hf misunderstands the day post and then uses his own misunderstanding as evidence that he is town. Although rayn is right that it would be convoluted for mafia hf to do that, I wouldn't put convoluted out of hf's range.
Vivax - nothingburger
Coagulation - Scumclaims suck dude.
FF - dunno
Eywa - Very quick to scumread rayn but I wouldn't say that's impossible for town eywa.
rayn - waiting to see on this one.
Leaving now, won't be back until later tonight. Might have a chance to post something more fleshed out then.
Despite what I said about rayn wanting to lynch us, I think in a game this size lynching a lurker would be a good move.
J You type it like scumreading rayn is a scummy thing to do while not townreading him. Scummy. Here another person who interprets something wrong and I saw some1 else actually agreeing with the wrong interpretation. What the smurf means: Normally I find it scummy if somebody so strongly scumreading somebody else. However, in the case of Ewya, I think it is in his town range. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RAYN HIS ALIGNMENT OR THE HYDRA THEIR VIEW ON RAYN.
The second post in particular indicates to some degree that he knows Vivax is town, interpretting something incorrectly, then also implies that he knows there are other people who "agreed" with this.
Then he speaks on our behalf as if he knows we're town
and this:
On July 25 2019 00:38 Koshi wrote:
How you people dont get that is beyond me.
Anyway I am afk.
I havent read anything but at least enough there is 1 person worthy to sheep.
Also, people also call hf town, and hf calls rayn mafia.
AND STILL THOSE PEOPLE vote for the scumread of rayn... lol.
Lastly,
3. Koshi calls out people for doing stuff/being things he himself admits to doing. This is particularly evident for what he claims about HF:
On July 27 2019 19:28 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 19:23 Eversince wrote:
It's only shade if it's not true Koshi. Otherwise it's just true.. When was the last time trying to talk civilly was a bad thing? Right after you said Rayn deserved to die for blowing up temper. Try to actually read what I mean Eversince and try to think about what I mean. If you think I meant HF is a bad human being for being civil and that was the entire point of my post then maybe just stop playing mafia. My point was clear. HF doesnt give a shit this game and you can see him giving a shit in his argument with me. That same engagement does not trabslate into solving the game.
If that is not a good point for somebody being mafia then w.e.
I am not saying it makes him 100% mafia though.
Bonus points for that hedge right at the end.
Similarly,
On July 27 2019 19:19 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure hf is mafia just skating by. You saw the waterfall on words in his argumebt with me? You saw something like that solving this game? Nope...
And he was too diplomatic and clean in the end. Trying to shade me a bit with the Alakasam fanclub and shit.
Oh well. It worked.
Good on him
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On July 26 2019 18:04 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 18:03 Holyflare wrote:On July 26 2019 17:59 Koshi wrote:On July 26 2019 17:33 Holyflare wrote:On July 26 2019 17:29 Koshi wrote:
You say slam is clear town. 2 seconds later he is clear mafia for a decent post.
Please. Go away. When on earth have I ever said slam is clear town? Wtf? And, no, it's not a decent post. Explain why just haphazardly calling chezinu and myself more likely mafia if pandain flips town is a good post. What logic is slam using here that's good? What correlation does pandain have to mine or chezinu's alignment? Not only does it NOT have a correlation but the original question of the chain was WHY does chezinu make this post and slam's answer was that he could be mafia. Why does he intertwine pandain and myself into his scum read of chezinu here and why is chezinu only more mafia if pandain is green when he thinks chezinu is now mafia to begin with? Vivax died. Filter. 2 names. I mean this literally doesn't answer anything nor does it explain why it's a good post for you but let's move on and I'll wait for slam's answer to my other question. Ok you admit to not reading. I am fine lynching you then.
Compare what Koshi says about HF in those posts to what he says about himself:
On July 27 2019 19:15 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 19:12 Branch.AUT wrote:On July 27 2019 19:08 Koshi wrote:
I am still ok with dieing.
I think HF could be mafia at this point.
Did nothing but focus on some dumb shit that would not be a townie priority.
So those 4 names I said. I am happy with them.
I didnt know eywa announced this afk stuff though. But still. Too long. Deserves to go down in list.
Maybe I should reread mz but Vivax told me he was town.
Hi koshi. Lets talk about HF. What makes you scum read him? Im still undecided on his alignment First. I am not really reading this game but skimming. Important that you know that.For me it is lack of solving. I have no idea what he is doing big picture wise. And his attack on slam looked so bad. Others seem to not agree but it was just nitpicking some poor sob into oblivion. Didnt seem like anything good would come out of it.
On July 27 2019 19:08 Koshi wrote:
I am still ok with dieing.
I think HF could be mafia at this point.
Did nothing but focus on some dumb shit that would not be a townie priority.
So those 4 names I said. I am happy with them.
I didnt know eywa announced this afk stuff though. But still. Too long. Deserves to go down in list.
Maybe I should reread mz but Vivax told me he was town.
"I'm okay with dying" = more or less doesn't give a shit about this game
On July 25 2019 00:38 Koshi wrote:
How you people dont get that is beyond me.
Anyway I am afk.
I havent read anything but at least enough there is 1 person worthy to sheep.
Also, people also call hf town, and hf calls rayn mafia.
AND STILL THOSE PEOPLE vote for the scumread of rayn... lol.
On July 26 2019 18:04 Koshi wrote:
Guys... I dont think I will do quality posting this game.
But I will at least not spam.
On July 26 2019 07:10 Koshi wrote:
I'll sheep slam even though I dont think Pandain is the best kill. But I dont know who is.
etc.
yeah, paragon of effort in trying to solve the game here.
-wherebugsgo
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On July 27 2019 05:54 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 01:57 Branch.AUT wrote:
I dislike the interaction between koshi, slam and HF. It seems to be aimed at making thread think only about pandain. When theres many other options to consider. What? Which pages?
Starts page 20. Koshi uses a scum!pandain to judge slam!town and goes on from there
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This is my reasoning for calling the Hydra scum.
At first they propose kilingl inactive players, but after being replacements happening, the Hydra shares their thoughts that the game is harder for them now
On July 27 2019 14:58 Branch.AUT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 22:54 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Soon after I made the activity post and asked why don’t we kill Coag for the same reasons as Pandain he gets replaced LOL
Game is harder than it should be.
Pandain can we expect you to actually do anything day 2? I seem to be the only player who actually believes in giving you a chance to contribute because you are a potential asset if you’re town. If it’s a no, then regardless of your alignment I humbly request you replace out if you can. I like playing with you but I will most definitely not bother defending you today if this play continues. Cause, well, even if you’re not scum you’re not doing anything to indicate that.
-wherebugsgo This sounds like you were already anticipating a coag lynch. Which would make your life easier only if youre scum, and you already knew coag would flip town. Very suspicious.
From a town perspective, more players always is good. Mislynches matter less, and high activity means less room for scum to hide. Not to mention more eyes looking for the bad guys.
Meanwhile from a scum point of view, a player that dropped out got replaced was replaced, meaning one more set of vigilant eyes, as well as increased opposition to a potential mislynch.
Scum! NoSmurfHere obviously thinks along
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the second line of thought.
An attempt at avoiding the suspicions is made by deflecting and talking about votes and lynching, which were never in question, but voting behaviour was never in question here.
On July 27 2019 19:32 NoSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 18:58 Branch.AUT wrote:On July 27 2019 16:59 Eversince wrote:
I also don't see how saying the 'game' is hard is anything more than NAI either. But I've liked Coag slot since he got replaced so far to What he said was the game 'got harder' when coag was replaced and the slot went from inactive to active player. From a town perspective, one more player is one more lynch chance. From a mafia perspective, one more player means one more chance got get caught. It is because ofthis mind slip, readjusting scum strategy around another required mislynch, that I find NSHs play very suspicious. The immediat willingness so switch vote from slam to koshi at an opportunistic moment makes me shift my assessment of the hydra even further towards scum. again, nope 1. "another" required mislynch -> if I were scum I wouldn't care, anyone in this game is lynchable. Number of mislynches to win doesn't change. 2. we never voted slam. Our vote was on FF, and as I mentioned earlier he was not gaining any traction. Try to keep up. 3. What opportunistic moment? Literally no one was talking about Koshi until I mentioned him. Why the hell would I bother shifting attention to Koshi as scum if slam is town? I'd just let slam die quietly instead of bothering to post anything at all. Unless you're implying that we're scum with slam, which is laughable. -wherebugsgo
Instead the Hydra decides to go aggresively after Koshi. Who was already accused earlier, with a willing second ready to form an early wagon in Eversince.
Keeping to the point here:
Hydra is scum for sharing their thoughts on adjusting game difficulty, feebly trying to explain this away, and then at an opportune moment, just after eversince being ready to accuse koshi, jumping in and being the first to lead said koshi wagon.
I am going to ##vote NoSmurfHere tonight for these reasons. And if you are town I suggst you do the same!
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Branch
I don't know where to start.
I've had to reread your posts a few times because its kinda hard to even get where you're coming from with this stuff. This case you think you have here is rubbish though.
Bugs says something non aligment indicative
You interpret it to mean that bugs was saying the game is harder for him now because he's mafia
Bugs said that he never meant that at all
You just refuse to believe that your shitty interpretation is wrong and vote for us.
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You make up some bullshit that you still haven't explained about an 'opportunistic moment' which you just invented out of nothing.
You claim we are following,not leading on the Koshi thing and you are factually wrong about that. Sure, people might have mentioned some scummy behaviour from koshi but no-one pushed it until we voted for him.
Post #912 Bugs says we should kill koshi
post #914 Eversince agrees
Then we vote koshi.
I suggest if you're going to twist things into a case you make sure you don't lie about stuff that we can just go and look at.
It took me 5 seconds to prove you wrong about this lol
-Jock
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Hydra, you are going after the lowest hanging fruit in the thread in koshi. He has been called suspicious by at least 5 people already.
Doing so only after throwing a bunch of names at eversince to see which sticks, ensuring their support for your wagon.
Inventing claims and reversing my words in a feeble attempt to use them against me.
The only thing twisting here is your tail weaseling out of factual accusation. This Hydra is scum.
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Its not going after the lowest hanging fruit if its someone with zero votes on them when Slam, for example, has 4 votes on him.
There aren't many people playing who haven't been called suspicious a few times.
You could say the same thing if we went after:
Alakaslam
holyflare
Eywa
Pandain
Chezinu
MZ
Even counting yourself if you count all the people that called coag suspicious
saying 5 people called koshi suspicious in 48 pages of content is literally saying nothing at all.
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Anyway I'm not going to keep talking about this you don't have a case so keep going if you want.
I would suggest you just look at koshi and you will see that he's scum.
Then switch your vote to koshi.
-Jock
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On July 27 2019 19:39 Koshi wrote:
Oh well. I am on Chezinu and I am fine with it. I would prefer to vote Eversince right now but hey. Maybe I am just mad at her and the world.
It's crazy how you started this day cycle as a pretty decent townread of mine and literally everything you've posted since then has been garbage. I've got eversince as soft town. What is your reason besides for an elaborate omgus for voting him/her?
Between koshi and chez I'd rather lynch chez but I'd much much rather lynch slam still.
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On July 27 2019 21:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 19:39 Koshi wrote:
Oh well. I am on Chezinu and I am fine with it. I would prefer to vote Eversince right now but hey. Maybe I am just mad at her and the world. It's crazy how you started this day cycle as a pretty decent townread of mine and literally everything you've posted since then has been garbage. I've got eversince as soft town. What is your reason besides for an elaborate omgus for voting him/her? Between koshi and chez I'd rather lynch chez but I'd much much rather lynch slam still.
Ohhh I made this post before fully catching up and missed the hydra's case... I may have to reconsider chez vs koshi now.
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On July 27 2019 22:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 21:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 27 2019 19:39 Koshi wrote:
Oh well. I am on Chezinu and I am fine with it. I would prefer to vote Eversince right now but hey. Maybe I am just mad at her and the world. It's crazy how you started this day cycle as a pretty decent townread of mine and literally everything you've posted since then has been garbage. I've got eversince as soft town. What is your reason besides for an elaborate omgus for voting him/her? Between koshi and chez I'd rather lynch chez but I'd much much rather lynch slam still. Ohhh I made this post before fully catching up and missed the hydra's case... I may have to reconsider chez vs koshi now.
Here's where I am on Slam:
If he's mafia and he's self voting he's doing it to try and keep votes away from other mafia.
Otherwise he's town and just wants to die cos he thinks it will help town.
Either way voting for him at this point is bad.
Koshi is scum however and he will get stronger as the game gets smaller. If you think he is mafia kill him today.
-J
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On July 27 2019 21:55 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Anyway I'm not going to keep talking about this you don't have a case so keep going if you want.
I would suggest you just look at koshi and you will see that he's scum.
Then switch your vote to koshi.
-Jock
I make it a rule to not follow scum suggestions. Even if Koshi looks guilty as hell
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