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On July 27 2019 12:28 Chezinu wrote:
His list of best town players and my list of best town players are totally different.. he didnt even have Ver or BC in his list...
I never played with Ver. Incognito yes, one game only though...I think. Or maybe that was me cohosting.
I love BC and think he’s a great scum player, probably top 5 scum. I think his town play is average and he’d probably agree with me. Like me, BC is prone to catch on logic errors and people going pants-on-head which often distracts from scum hunting because tiniest act illogically all the time. Also we both share a good rage every now and then.
Replace BC with Ace and exactly the same thing applies IMO.
P.S. fuck coffee
Actually fuck anything that isn’t water
-wherebugsgo
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On July 27 2019 12:31 NoSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 12:28 Chezinu wrote:
His list of best town players and my list of best town players are totally different.. he didnt even have Ver or BC in his list... I never played with Ver. Incognito yes, one game only though...I think. Or maybe that was me cohosting. I love BC and think he’s a great scum player, probably top 5 scum. I think his town play is average and he’d probably agree with me. Like me, BC is prone to catch on logic errors and people going pants-on-head which often distracts from scum hunting because tiniest act illogically all the time. Also we both share a good rage every now and then. Replace BC with Ace and exactly the same thing applies IMO. P.S. fuck coffee Actually fuck anything that isn’t water -wherebugsgo
Did you see the pants on head in video mafia?
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On July 26 2019 22:54 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Soon after I made the activity post and asked why don’t we kill Coag for the same reasons as Pandain he gets replaced LOL
Game is harder than it should be.
Pandain can we expect you to actually do anything day 2? I seem to be the only player who actually believes in giving you a chance to contribute because you are a potential asset if you’re town. If it’s a no, then regardless of your alignment I humbly request you replace out if you can. I like playing with you but I will most definitely not bother defending you today if this play continues. Cause, well, even if you’re not scum you’re not doing anything to indicate that.
-wherebugsgo
This sounds like you were already anticipating a coag lynch. Which would make your life easier only if youre scum, and you already knew coag would flip town. Very suspicious.
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On July 27 2019 09:11 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 07:49 Branch.AUT wrote:On July 27 2019 06:23 Pandain wrote:On July 27 2019 06:11 Branch.AUT wrote:On July 27 2019 04:43 Pandain wrote:Coag has literally nothing in his filter. Not even a scum read. Branch is very little too but that's to be expected at this point. Let's wait and see what happens. Branch have you played mafia before on this forum or other forums? COAG + Show Spoiler +On July 26 2019 02:42 Coagulation wrote:
Im putting my old baby girl down tomorrow. Im hurting more than I ever have in my life. Im sorry I wont be around to finish. Hey if you ever read this Coag and need to share your feelings send me a PM. I cried for like three days straight when my dog died. I'm sure it was a hard decision but you did it for the best and your dog had a great life with you. I'm here for you. Hi! Are you looking for meta or just curious? just wondering if you've played mafia before because if you're completely new it changes how i read you if you're a smurf or something, no worries. There's no recorded meta of my play. You will have to use reason and logic to figure my alignment Have you read the whole game? If so, who is mafia? If not, why not?
I've read everything but the end of day 1. And a couple of filters so far.
I don't know who is mafia. I find koshis behaviour during the slam vs hf on pandain discussion very suspicious. From memory he seemed to fuel an already emotional discussion that was leading nowhere.
Theres one post by the hydra that i mentioned above that also makes me suspicious. The way the thought is phrased just seems like he knows too much about the setup
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On July 27 2019 09:30 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 09:17 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 27 2019 08:27 Alakaslam wrote:On July 27 2019 08:09 NoSmurfHere wrote:
I don’t think Pandain is a high value lynch today, I read all of his posts from the last few pages and he has quite a few good, original points.
I like in particular his call out of slam for not recognizing any rayn case, because as Pandain pointed out, several people voted rayn and almost everyone cited solid reasons to vote him. The only way slam could be as active as he is and not recognize this is if he is scum, has TMI, and is ignoring those reasons because he already knows rayn is town. Slam has reacted strangely like this to multiple events/players already, like his essentially reasonless HF read flipping (done it twice now)
I will admit that personally in my case wanting to kill rayn was mostly that rayn accomplished nothing in 6 pages of filter and attacked us before we even posted, and I didn’t feel like dealing with that garbage this game at all. I’ll kill the most anti-town player on day 1 every game if it makes the game easier to solve.
Anyway, at this rate if people are feeling conservative and don’t want to kill a higher activity player who seems quite scummy in slam, or someone like FF, I think Chezinu is a better choice than Pandain given that Pandain actually has some original thoughts that make sense.
-wherebugsgo
NO ONE had solid reasons, please stop fooling yourself. I read them all, they were all shit, and I knew it, soon you will know that too, ok? Says the player who can’t even explain what read he has on HF or why despite claiming to know him intimately as a lawyer And soon I will know it? What kind of empty threat is that LOL -wherebugsgo What other conclusion can you draw? I have never been good at explaining things. I’ve been good at being right sometimes though.
The problem is one of availability.
-J
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On July 27 2019 15:28 Branch.AUT wrote:
Theres one post by the hydra that i mentioned above that also makes me suspicious. The way the thought is phrased just seems like he knows too much about the setup
How so?
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On July 27 2019 14:58 Branch.AUT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 22:54 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Soon after I made the activity post and asked why don’t we kill Coag for the same reasons as Pandain he gets replaced LOL
Game is harder than it should be.
Pandain can we expect you to actually do anything day 2? I seem to be the only player who actually believes in giving you a chance to contribute because you are a potential asset if you’re town. If it’s a no, then regardless of your alignment I humbly request you replace out if you can. I like playing with you but I will most definitely not bother defending you today if this play continues. Cause, well, even if you’re not scum you’re not doing anything to indicate that.
-wherebugsgo This sounds like you were already anticipating a coag lynch. Which would make your life easier only if youre scum, and you already knew coag would flip town. Very suspicious.
Nope. I wasn't anticipating a coag lynch because I 1. wasn't voting Coag (Jock controls the vote so even if I did want to vote Coag it would've been down to what Jock thought), 2. no one else wanted to kill Coag, and 3. I never actually believed he was the best lynch for today and AFAIK Jock doesn't either.
As for why I said the game is harder than it should be, replacements make the game harder because:
1. the original player was inactive warranting the replacement and inactivity is hard to deal with in general
2. given the replacement will have a different style it'll take time to read them and adjust/reconcile the differences between the two players. I pretty much just ignore the replacement for the first cycle
3. There's been a history of scum replacements in particular wrecking face because they get a ton of leeway and they essentially have a cycle headstart.
4. The replacement themselves might be less active than an average player, depending on the reason they decided to be a replacement and not join the game in the first place (like if they have less time than usual)
Anyway, you're new, so I don't expect you to be able to understand every thought process that folks have right off the bat, and I like that you're thinking. Actually so far I don't see anything particularly wrong with your posts so maybe I'll even count you townish for now. Just note that this post came off to me a bit like you're overthinking things that might remotely involve you (given that you know what I said about Coag and you are the same alignment). If you think I'm scum I encourage you to read my posts at face value in their entirety instead of nitpicking me, because nitpicking will not get you very far.
-wherebugsgo
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On July 27 2019 10:36 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 10:13 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 27 2019 09:30 Alakaslam wrote:On July 27 2019 09:17 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 27 2019 08:27 Alakaslam wrote:On July 27 2019 08:09 NoSmurfHere wrote:
I don’t think Pandain is a high value lynch today, I read all of his posts from the last few pages and he has quite a few good, original points.
I like in particular his call out of slam for not recognizing any rayn case, because as Pandain pointed out, several people voted rayn and almost everyone cited solid reasons to vote him. The only way slam could be as active as he is and not recognize this is if he is scum, has TMI, and is ignoring those reasons because he already knows rayn is town. Slam has reacted strangely like this to multiple events/players already, like his essentially reasonless HF read flipping (done it twice now)
I will admit that personally in my case wanting to kill rayn was mostly that rayn accomplished nothing in 6 pages of filter and attacked us before we even posted, and I didn’t feel like dealing with that garbage this game at all. I’ll kill the most anti-town player on day 1 every game if it makes the game easier to solve.
Anyway, at this rate if people are feeling conservative and don’t want to kill a higher activity player who seems quite scummy in slam, or someone like FF, I think Chezinu is a better choice than Pandain given that Pandain actually has some original thoughts that make sense.
-wherebugsgo
NO ONE had solid reasons, please stop fooling yourself. I read them all, they were all shit, and I knew it, soon you will know that too, ok? Says the player who can’t even explain what read he has on HF or why despite claiming to know him intimately as a lawyer And soon I will know it? What kind of empty threat is that LOL -wherebugsgo Empty threat? Do you not know I lead the wagon? I will flip tomorrow. You’ll know that I’ve been genuine. What other conclusion can you draw? I have never been good at explaining things. I’ve been good at being right sometimes though. I mean, whatever you flip, the reasons for killing rayn will remain solid. [spoiler]He was useless and would have continued to be useless as he is every game. He flips coins to push lynches and claims he’s a god when he’s right and that he did absolutely nothing wrong when a townie flips despite being 100% certain on everything, like how certain he was that we are scum this game before we even posted. This is backed up by the fact that he has the most games by far on this forum with a decidedly mediocre record and that even with one other townie who knew his alignment he got 6 votes and died on day 1. No matter how you slice it, someone like that who has 6 pages of filter day 1 but still manages to die is not worth keeping around to pollute the game and make it harder for others to play/enjoy. This is a team game, not an ego-stroking contest about who’s the most right about everything all the time (which rayn loses anyway) [spoiler] If you are actually town, take your head out of your ass and try to provide real reasons for the reads you are posting in the thread because what you are doing right now is not working. If you want to be an asshole then you can get deleted from the game. And I’m saying that as someone who doesn’t have direct vote power this game and isn’t even voting you. If you give up as town minutes into d2 before even taking votes (which is what it looked like you did) just because you feel we lynched someone for the wrong reasons on d1 despite the fact that you can’t even articulate those reasons, AND you can’t articulate why we should listen to you now or even who you read as scum, then, well, idgaf what your alignment is and yes it is actually better for us to see you flip because several people other than myself already want you out of the game. If you are town, I’m really actually trying to give you a sense for why people think you’re not. I trust that if you are actually town you’ll make an effort to listen to me and play the game. And before tube says it, no, merely posting does not qualify as town play. -wherebugsgo Actually I am sick of the group think. If I fully articulated the reasons I know stuff I don’t think they’d be believed anyway. They are usually combinations of a lot of little things that I don’t immediately have total recall of. Have you ever met a brilliant illiterate? Not that I am illiterate, but my mind has a totally different style of memory from most people on here. I am not a garbage trap mind, that has total recall of a lot of facts. Nor am I a particularly deep thinker; if I were, I could meditate on my reads and eventually articulate them- if not beautifully and concisely so in fact. What I am, is someone who can recognize patterns accurately even when I cannot describe them. My IQ scores were great! My actual general knowledge, isn’t so great! My ability to recognize that someone is being sarcastic is pure shit! But my ability to recognize when something is not right is pretty damn good, and recognizing someone’s family comes naturally to me. So describing my reads sucks. I have a decidedly terrible record. So I agree? Like my vote is where it is as of when I recognized what you are trying to tell me. BUT HERE IS THE KICKER I WAS RIGHT I DIDNT KNOW WHY BUT I WAS DEAD CERTAIN. WHEN I AM CERTAIN, I KNOW. So if I am certain again, I want to at least leave the game something to go on before I go. Tomorrow, I go to Malibu to take photos with my fiancé. I won’t be here for EOD. I may or may not move my vote before then but I doubt it. Unfortunately at the moment I am not certain on anyone like I was certain on Rayn. I will try to be before I go but I can only do what I can, I am better at townreads than scum reads.
If you die at EoD today will you feel like you have accomplished what you wanted to?
I'd like to be able to communicate properly with you but I'm a child, I talk like a child, I think like a child, I reason like a child.
-J
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@Jock
Also if he's actually town that's the most m!Slam way t!Slam can make. He's literally playing as scum because if he IS town and martyrs, we have 1 mislynch to catch all 3 mafia..
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I also don't see how saying the 'game' is hard is anything more than NAI either. But I've liked Coag slot since he got replaced so far to
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On July 27 2019 16:57 Eversince wrote:
@Jock
Also if he's actually town that's the most m!Slam way t!Slam can make. He's literally playing as scum because if he IS town and martyrs, we have 1 mislynch to catch all 3 mafia..
(not jock, but FWIW)
I actually was thinking about slam martyr voting himself and I just don't get it.
Like we were in the vote lead (technically) and if he was scum he could have sheeped FF & tube on us and comfortably put us in the lead; Pandain's vote would've tied but it would have needed another vote to put slam in the lead again.
So why self vote to put himself in the lead exactly? As either alignment?
I'll be honest, I'm leaning toward just looking at someone else today because I'm having a hard time understanding slam's play from either perspective, and FF has some redeeming posts from day 1 & doesn't seem like anyone else thinks FF is scum.
What if we just killed Koshi?
-wherebugsgo
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Eversince how was your breakfast? I know its the most important meal of the day but it doesn't normally take me 36 hours to make and eat it
-J
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On July 27 2019 17:04 NoSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 16:57 Eversince wrote:
@Jock
Also if he's actually town that's the most m!Slam way t!Slam can make. He's literally playing as scum because if he IS town and martyrs, we have 1 mislynch to catch all 3 mafia.. (not jock, but FWIW) I actually was thinking about slam martyr voting himself and I just don't get it. Like we were in the vote lead (technically) and if he was scum he could have sheeped FF & tube on us and comfortably put us in the lead; Pandain's vote would've tied but it would have needed another vote to put slam in the lead again. So why self vote to put himself in the lead exactly? As either alignment? I'll be honest, I'm leaning toward just looking at someone else today because I'm having a hard time understanding slam's play from either perspective, and FF has some redeeming posts from day 1 & doesn't seem like anyone else thinks FF is scum. What if we just killed Koshi? -wherebugsgo
If he's mafia trying to push himself to death so he can 'spend time with future wife' seems like a good way to play Appeal to Emotion card like he's done all game. People move, he get free pass to drop from the game for "reason he already posted" But that's a really rude move. (This last sentence might be my bias though, I don't lie about afk  )
I'd be ok with Koshi. He's playing like a lost sheep and that dumpster of a mess between HF/Koshi/Slam was just really bad. I would probably of ask same type of questions in HF shoes (not really because I thought Rayn was town to, but here again.. bias. I sub in after Rayn is already dead.)
Chez would be fine with me to. He's literally contributed 0 to this game .
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On July 27 2019 17:06 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Eversince how was your breakfast? I know its the most important meal of the day but it doesn't normally take me 36 hours to make and eat it
-J
It was delicious! I came back to a dead thread though, so I went to read instead of trash the thread by myself xD!
Sorry for the gap there though.. My laptop died so I can't play at work until I can replace it :/. Only reason I'm on now I got off a few hours early!
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EBWOP
Before people start crying 'BURN THE WITCH!!' There wasn't anything for me to comment on. Your recap reasoning post (Which I'd already gave my opinion for), Tube tunnels (k, I tunneled the shit out of Pandain but I'm not going to fight a null[tube] and you [hydra] to try to convince otherwise.
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On July 27 2019 17:18 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2019 17:04 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 27 2019 16:57 Eversince wrote:
@Jock
Also if he's actually town that's the most m!Slam way t!Slam can make. He's literally playing as scum because if he IS town and martyrs, we have 1 mislynch to catch all 3 mafia.. (not jock, but FWIW) I actually was thinking about slam martyr voting himself and I just don't get it. Like we were in the vote lead (technically) and if he was scum he could have sheeped FF & tube on us and comfortably put us in the lead; Pandain's vote would've tied but it would have needed another vote to put slam in the lead again. So why self vote to put himself in the lead exactly? As either alignment? I'll be honest, I'm leaning toward just looking at someone else today because I'm having a hard time understanding slam's play from either perspective, and FF has some redeeming posts from day 1 & doesn't seem like anyone else thinks FF is scum. What if we just killed Koshi? -wherebugsgo If he's mafia trying to push himself to death so he can 'spend time with future wife' seems like a good way to play Appeal to Emotion card like he's done all game. People move, he get free pass to drop from the game for "reason he already posted" But that's a really rude move. (This last sentence might be my bias though, I don't lie about afk ) I'd be ok with Koshi. He's playing like a lost sheep and that dumpster of a mess between HF/Koshi/Slam was just really bad. I would probably of ask same type of questions in HF shoes (not really because I thought Rayn was town to, but here again.. bias. I sub in after Rayn is already dead.) Chez would be fine with me to. He's literally contributed 0 to this game .
I’m good with killing Chezinu too but I think Jock finds him unreadable.
I moved Koshi off my watchlist and onto my kill list. Moved eywa into my watchlist, but the activity drop was expected as eywa mentioned it. I think I’m fine with punting both HF and Pandain to tomorrow and neither of them will die today, that seems for sure. I think I move FF to watchlist as well, that one I’m not sure about...I have plenty of reasons I wanna kill FF but again some tone-wise good posts even if I think the content is bad.
Here’s my lists in no particular order
Kill:
Koshi
Slam
Chezinu
Watch:
FF
Eywa
Everyone else: tentatively townreading
Dead game
-wherebugsgo
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Yes 
I need to go look into when exactly the Eywa shift starts again.. he/she gave a reason for absence (not to write that off for same reason for same play Slam could be making) I'll be worried if Eywa's playstyle changes dramatically whenever he/she returns.
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Koshi is mafia.
##unvote
##vote koshi
-J
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